Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Heat3]

Jordan - "A lot of basketball players today are overpaid, it influences their game & work ethics in a negative way. They're given things they haven't earned & I think the game has been cheated."

When did he say this? I think the fact that he's the one writing the checks now may influence his opinion

[Bourne85]

I'm just glad none of these "stat" geeks are running the team. To think Riley would let him walk is ridiculous and borderline insane. We will be offering him a close to max contract. Whether or not he signs it is two different things.

And the league isn't "trending" anything. You have one or 2 teams that shoot the 3 ball so well that the rest of the league is trying to copy it. Not every team is gonna have Curry Klay Green Barnes etc etc (all time goat shooter, top 5 Goat shooter and 3-5 other 40-45% shooters). Teams will all try of course but no one will do it better than the Warriors or even the Spurs.

Our best bet is to play to our strength. Resign Hassan. And Wade. Get a guy like Batum or some SF that can knock down 3s and defend. And you roll with that.

We will never catch up to the Warriors shooting. And trying to, plays right into their hands. Curry even said it "other teams can try and copy, but they don't have the personnel". And it's 100% true.

You look at last night and say "hey we were right there for a while with no Hassan an bosh at the C". Curry doesn't go 11-26 very often and 2-10 3s. Neither does Klay or green. No chance, no chance at all. Any other night is a 25-30 point blow out with Warriors resting the 4th.

Off night for them, let's not get delusional here. We absolutely NEED Hassan. Even WADE HIMSELF SAID IT. "WE NEED HASSAN OUT THERE AND HE NEEDS TO KNOW WE NEED HIM". Str8 from the leaders mouth (right after the game)

[Bourne85]

Riley will first trade away Dragic and let Deng walk before he lets a top 3 center and defensive anchor walk.

Dragic is a problem. Deng is a problem. Hassan is not a problem.

[EscapoTHB]

Good luck getting out of the east with Bosh as a center. The Cavs pushed the golden child Warriors to 6 last year, with Lebron and abusing them on the glass. If they had had a healthy love or Kyrie, they might not have run out of gas. It would be suicidal for Riley to let Whiteside walk, unless he's getting Durant in. Other than that...

[Bishop45]

Yea', much bs here. The league is heading in another direction now? Where's it going? The future going to be entirely littered by point guards? What experts, who are these experts and what are they saying about Hassan's future? You do mean those guys hired by media outlets to voice their opinion on "interesting" statistics', whether or not it's tied to their agenda to openly promote rubbish?

Ask the Hawks front court how much size didn't have an effect on the Cavs crushing them in the Playoffs. Their only FA acquisition this summer was a big man. Golden State without Ezeli/Bogut's not running through the league untested. Big men will always have value, period. The league's got more advanced/versatile, and certainly a lot more talented but that's it. You can't adjust then you can't hang. We're not a good basketball team, that's not Hassan's fault. Losing him for nothing is likely a mistake. You think The Boston Celtic's or The Pacers have a future with all the Forwards that they're hoarding? I don't care what's seen or said from any media outlet, that's not happening. /rant

[Bishop45]

Jordan - "A lot of basketball players today are overpaid, it influences their game & work ethics in a negative way. They're given things they haven't earned & I think the game has been cheated."

When did he say this? I think the fact that he's the one writing the checks now may influence his opinion

Exactly, these rich owners are making bank off of the entertainment that these players are providing... They've earned every red cent.

[3ballbomber]

When did he say this? I think the fact that he's the one writing the checks now may influence his opinion

Exactly, these rich owners are making bank off of the entertainment that these players are providing... They've earned every red cent.

I'm actually not sure when he said this. i've used it as my siggy for several years now.

Regardless, you look at the era Jordan played in - players had to work extra hard to gain publicity to acquire the opportunities such as endorsements etc. So players did things such as enter dunk comps for exposure in hope to attain endorsements. Winners also receive money.

But you look at today's players who come prepackaged before even playing their first NBA game, they haven't even earned their paycheck and kids are already rolling in dough. How truly hungry is somebody who doesn't have to work for his money?!

That's the context i'm certain these statements are derived from.

[RexBoyWonder]

When did he say this? I think the fact that he's the one writing the checks now may influence his opinion

Exactly, these rich owners are making bank off of the entertainment that these players are providing... They've earned every red cent.

I'm actually not sure when he said this. i've used it as my siggy for several years now.

Regardless, you look at the era Jordan played in - players had to work extra hard to gain publicity to acquire the opportunities such as endorsements etc. So players did things such as enter dunk comps for exposure in hope to attain endorsements. Winners also receive money.

But you look at today's players who come prepackaged before even playing their first NBA game, they haven't even earned their paycheck and kids are already rolling in dough. How truly hungry is somebody who doesn't have to work for his money?!

That's the context i'm certain these statements are derived from.

That's part of what separate true greats and just decent players.

A true great will always be hungry and will want to improve, because his drive comes from within - he want to become the best player he can and achieve as much as possible in both personal milestones and team successes. Winning is what gets him going. He has the fire and strong competitive bone in him.

A decent/average player will still have to work hard at first, because it's not easy to become an NBA player. but that's until he gets his fat check, then some of his drive dies and he takes it down a notch, shifts to a slower gear and just kinda rolls on. He's set for life in terms of cash, so he feels no urgency, and would feel content to just be good enough to be a rotation player that keeps getting checks.

Back in the Jordan days, even true greats (superstars) needed to prove on a yearly basis their worth - because the money they made was big for the average person but not nearly big enough to set them up for life if they start slipping.

[Bishop45]

When did he say this? I think the fact that he's the one writing the checks now may influence his opinion

Exactly, these rich owners are making bank off of the entertainment that these players are providing... They've earned every red cent.

I'm actually not sure when he said this. i've used it as my siggy for several years now.

Regardless, you look at the era Jordan played in - players had to work extra hard to gain publicity to acquire the opportunities such as endorsements etc. So players did things such as enter dunk comps for exposure in hope to attain endorsements. Winners also receive money.

But you look at today's players who come prepackaged before even playing their first NBA game, they haven't even earned their paycheck and kids are already rolling in dough. How truly hungry is somebody who doesn't have to work for his money?!

That's the context i'm certain these statements are derived from.

all tru, I don't like it coming from an owner but definitely true. Jus the way it is

[Burnie Riley]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/686981630368481280[/tweet]
He's already got a max player personality.

[Heat3]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/686981630368481280[/tweet]
He's already got a max player personality.

how can anyone not like this guy?

i want a basketball in my nachos!

[QUIZ]

The way the market is going Hassan might end up being a top 3 free agent this offseason. Durant could earn $60mill more if he waits until 2017.

So it looks like the best free agents this offseason might be Hassan, Horford, and Derozan.

[Rock Hardy]

Lebatard is the most connected media guy to the franchise, and he said on his show what I said. The organization isn't the high on Whiteside, and they're not breaking the bank to keep him. Do with that as you will.

And yes, the league is going in another direction. This has been a guard's league for almost 20 years now. What sport are some of you watching? What great center not named Shaq have we seen in that period? Even the best bigs Duncan and Garnett are power forwards by trade. The volume of 3pt shots is increasing. Yeah, one team is really exceptional at them, but the other, lesser teams are still increasing their output. Whiteside is either going to leave a lot of money on the table to stay here, or he's playing in another city next year. I'm perfectly fine with both scenarios. And LOL at Riley trading Goran before Whiteside. One of those two guys can run the system Spo wants, and it ain't Whiteside.

EDIT: I just realized I forgot Yao Ming. So I'll give 2 great bigs in 2 decades, and Whiteside will never be on their level.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Anyone else scared we let whiteside walk and end up making a max offer to dwight?

[Flash4thewin]

Lebatard is the most connected media guy to the franchise, and he said on his show what I said. The organization isn't the high on Whiteside, and they're not breaking the bank to keep him. Do with that as you will.

And yes, the league is going in another direction. This has been a guard's league for almost 20 years now. What sport are some of you watching? What great center not named Shaq have we seen in that period? Even the best bigs Duncan and Garnett are power forwards by trade. The volume of 3pt shots is increasing. Yeah, one team is really exceptional at them, but the other, lesser teams are still increasing their output. Whiteside is either going to leave a lot of money on the table to stay here, or he's playing in another city next year. I'm perfectly fine with both scenarios. And LOL at Riley trading Goran before Whiteside. One of those two guys can run the system Spo wants, and it ain't Whiteside.

I agree with you that we are not going to offer market value and im sure no way does Whiteside take less. Remember how we treat players who take less, we end up trading them for the most part. Rio is the latest example. With all that said im leading towards us making a power play with Whiteside and all our assets to get an elite player.

The crazy thing is i can see Houston preferring Whiteside at the max over Dwight. Whiteside is cheaper younger less injuries.

[RexBoyWonder]

Lebatard is the most connected media guy to the franchise, and he said on his show what I said. The organization isn't the high on Whiteside, and they're not breaking the bank to keep him. Do with that as you will.

And yes, the league is going in another direction. This has been a guard's league for almost 20 years now. What sport are some of you watching? What great center not named Shaq have we seen in that period? Even the best bigs Duncan and Garnett are power forwards by trade. The volume of 3pt shots is increasing. Yeah, one team is really exceptional at them, but the other, lesser teams are still increasing their output. Whiteside is either going to leave a lot of money on the table to stay here, or he's playing in another city next year. I'm perfectly fine with both scenarios. And LOL at Riley trading Goran before Whiteside. One of those two guys can run the system Spo wants, and it ain't Whiteside.

I agree with you that we are not going to offer market value and im sure no way does Whiteside take less. Remember how we treat players who take less, we end up trading them for the most part. Rio is the latest example. With all that said im leading towards us making a power play with Whiteside and all our assets to get an elite player.

The crazy thing is i can see Houston preferring Whiteside at the max over Dwight. Whiteside is cheaper younger less injuries.

Rio took less? that's news.

He got more then he deserved and non of us liked it, even before he started sucking even more.

UD, Birdman, Rio all got more then market value because we appreciated the history with them.

We don't have History with Hassan, and he's starting to look way overrated. (still valuable, but overrated).

[3ballbomber]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/687529181064724480[/tweet]

Yet again more criticism for Hassan. First it was Wade now Bosh.

[3ballbomber]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Heat_Reddit/status/687490401670934529[/tweet]

anybody know when this happened?

[RexBoyWonder]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/687529181064724480[/tweet]

Yet again more criticism for Hassan. First it was Wade now Bosh.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Heat_Reddit/status/687490401670934529[/tweet]

anybody know when this happened?

He's obviously getting on their nerves. I wouldn't mind it if he was beasting while doing it, but when Cole Aldrich is outplaying you better be quiet.

He just seem mentally out of sync from the team, which isn't good at all. It's the same crap that turned teams sour on him in the first place, his mind is in his own little world.

[Bishop45]

And yes, the league is going in another direction. This has been a guard's league for almost 20 years now. What sport are some of you watching?

What does this mean?

We don't need Forwards or Centers ...Or are you saying teams are winning despite them? Cause I'm missing the connection... or is this statement subject to Hassan somehow