Miami Heat @ Los Angeles Clippers - 1/13 @ 10:30pm EST

[GameTime_3]

Just enjoy this team and Wade's final good years, it'll probably be 2017 before anything major happens assuming no major trades take place of course.

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Sad but true.....At this point, just enjoy Wade. We have the 3rd BEST SG of all-time and at 34, still one of the best in the game. He can't do it for 35 minutes but for 4-6 minutes at a time, he gives you flashes of the greatness he is....


This team is the same it was when we won...No identity, No offensive system and based solely on talent...How many games have we won this year as a TEAM? Till Spo is questioned or forced to change, nothing will. It's funny, how everyone sees it but is afraid to say it because he won with BIG 3.

I didn't want to believe it but that's what it's come to as far as Wade's career goes and it's kinda depressing. We'll most likely pay him big money again this year to satisfy him and this season as well as the next will be his last playing as a high usage focus of our offense. Come 2017 is when we make our transition into our future, whatever that may be.

I don't think it's as simple as getting rid of Spo, maybe if we replaced him we'd stop having nights where our players give inconsistent effort but honestly I don't blame him for that and no coach short of Gregg Popovich would be able to make a contender out of this group. Teams like the Warriors and Spurs are just better both talent and fit wise.

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Sad but true.....At this point, just enjoy Wade. We have the 3rd BEST SG of all-time and at 34, still one of the best in the game. He can't do it for 35 minutes but for 4-6 minutes at a time, he gives you flashes of the greatness he is....


This team is the same it was when we won...No identity, No offensive system and based solely on talent...How many games have we won this year as a TEAM? Till Spo is questioned or forced to change, nothing will. It's funny, how everyone sees it but is afraid to say it because he won with BIG 3.

I didn't want to believe it but that's what it's come to as far as Wade's career goes and it's kinda depressing. We'll most likely pay him big money again this year to satisfy him and this season as well as the next will be his last playing as a high usage focus of our offense. Come 2017 is when we make our transition into our future, whatever that may be.

I don't think it's as simple as getting rid of Spo, maybe if we replaced him we'd stop having nights where our players give inconsistent effort but honestly I don't blame him for that and no coach short of Gregg Popovich would be able to make a contender out of this group. Teams like the Warriors and Spurs are just better both talent and fit wise.

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

Problem is riley is a defense guy and i dont think he cares much about offense. riley wants him teams winning with defense. our offensive system is very basic and does rely on guys playing their best. But i dont see anything changing, spo is riley's guy and doing what riley wants. doubt we hire an asst offensive guru even tho we need one.

[Hallstar]

I didn't want to believe it but that's what it's come to as far as Wade's career goes and it's kinda depressing. We'll most likely pay him big money again this year to satisfy him and this season as well as the next will be his last playing as a high usage focus of our offense. Come 2017 is when we make our transition into our future, whatever that may be.

I don't think it's as simple as getting rid of Spo, maybe if we replaced him we'd stop having nights where our players give inconsistent effort but honestly I don't blame him for that and no coach short of Gregg Popovich would be able to make a contender out of this group. Teams like the Warriors and Spurs are just better both talent and fit wise.

Ok the Spurs are just at another level coaching wise but the Warriors no. They did what i expected us to do. Hire the best dam assistant coaches to help there inexperienced head coach. Heck it doesnt even count against the salary cap. Instead we get Chris Quinn as an assistant coach? Mind you this is the same coaching staff that cant get Wade to develop a freaking 3 when he is wide wide open. This is the same coaching staff that on the camera said we dont practice any offense with Beasley he knows everything so we do defense instead. The list goes on and on when it comes to this coaching staff sadly.

wade has had all the time i the world to develop a 3pt shot. He has other priorities tho, like his fashion line, his shoes, his wine, china...

or his post game, off ball movement, facilitating

I mean hey, what we need is clearly Kevin Martin

It's funny watching guys blame Wade for not doing stuff they knew he couldn't do before the season, while guys who are not doing stuff they SHOULD, nobody gives a damn about.

You know what's a discussion? Why is BOsh taking fadeaways in the post over SF and SGs

[Heat_Fan_87]

Ok the Spurs are just at another level coaching wise but the Warriors no. They did what i expected us to do. Hire the best dam assistant coaches to help there inexperienced head coach. Heck it doesnt even count against the salary cap. Instead we get Chris Quinn as an assistant coach? Mind you this is the same coaching staff that cant get Wade to develop a freaking 3 when he is wide wide open. This is the same coaching staff that on the camera said we dont practice any offense with Beasley he knows everything so we do defense instead. The list goes on and on when it comes to this coaching staff sadly.

wade has had all the time i the world to develop a 3pt shot. He has other priorities tho, like his fashion line, his shoes, his wine, china...

or his post game, off ball movement, facilitating

I mean hey, what we need is clearly Kevin Martin

Yea, anyone that thinks wade should have developed a 3pt shot and prolong his career is a fool.

[Hallstar]

wade has had all the time i the world to develop a 3pt shot. He has other priorities tho, like his fashion line, his shoes, his wine, china...

or his post game, off ball movement, facilitating

I mean hey, what we need is clearly Kevin Martin

Yea, anyone that thinks wade should have developed a 3pt shot and prolong his career is a fool.

I must have missed the memo where Wade is struggling to hold on to his career.

If Wade was putting up Dragic's stats, you'd want him traded.

[Heat_Fan_87]

or his post game, off ball movement, facilitating

I mean hey, what we need is clearly Kevin Martin

Yea, anyone that thinks wade should have developed a 3pt shot and prolong his career is a fool.

I must have missed the memo where Wade is struggling to hold on to his career.

If Wade was putting up Dragic's stats, you'd want him traded.

This season doesn't matter. If wade was putting up dragic stats in a season we were actually contending, then yea, i would be pissed, wade putting up dragic stats means we are a lottery team if that happens. As for this season, who cares, so many problems right now. This is an online forum, if you dont like what others are saying use the ignore feature.

[Hallstar]

Yea, anyone that thinks wade should have developed a 3pt shot and prolong his career is a fool.

I must have missed the memo where Wade is struggling to hold on to his career.

If Wade was putting up Dragic's stats, you'd want him traded.

This season doesn't matter. If wade was putting up dragic stats in a season we were actually contending, then yea, i would be pissed, wade putting up dragic stats means we are a lottery team if that happens. As for this season, who cares, so many problems right now. This is an online forum, if you dont like what others are saying use the ignore feature.

So everybody else can mail it in because we're "not contending" but everyone loses their **** and it's Wade fault any game we lose. The inconsistencies continue.

Just give the man his money in the off season and start over in a couple years. A lot of seasons won't matter if it's only a requirement that Wade produces.

[Heat_Fan_87]

I must have missed the memo where Wade is struggling to hold on to his career.

If Wade was putting up Dragic's stats, you'd want him traded.

This season doesn't matter. If wade was putting up dragic stats in a season we were actually contending, then yea, i would be pissed, wade putting up dragic stats means we are a lottery team if that happens. As for this season, who cares, so many problems right now. This is an online forum, if you dont like what others are saying use the ignore feature.

So everybody else can mail it in because we're "not contending" but everyone loses their **** and it's Wade fault any game we lose. The inconsistencies continue.

Just give the man his money in the off season and start over in a couple years.

Good to see you're finally getting it.

[Bishop45]

Sad but true.....At this point, just enjoy Wade. We have the 3rd BEST SG of all-time and at 34, still one of the best in the game. He can't do it for 35 minutes but for 4-6 minutes at a time, he gives you flashes of the greatness he is....


This team is the same it was when we won...No identity, No offensive system and based solely on talent...How many games have we won this year as a TEAM? Till Spo is questioned or forced to change, nothing will. It's funny, how everyone sees it but is afraid to say it because he won with BIG 3.

I didn't want to believe it but that's what it's come to as far as Wade's career goes and it's kinda depressing. We'll most likely pay him big money again this year to satisfy him and this season as well as the next will be his last playing as a high usage focus of our offense. Come 2017 is when we make our transition into our future, whatever that may be.

I don't think it's as simple as getting rid of Spo, maybe if we replaced him we'd stop having nights where our players give inconsistent effort but honestly I don't blame him for that and no coach short of Gregg Popovich would be able to make a contender out of this group. Teams like the Warriors and Spurs are just better both talent and fit wise.

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

This is spot-on. As much as we bitch about the roster and roster adjustments that should be made... offensively we are scraping the barrel as far as any regulated systems. I've never question Spo as much as I have this year, and it's some of the same stuff that we've seen before but didn't really question (At least I didn't). Spo has to do better and needs to be held responsible, if not more then just as much as the players, for these lapses.

[Heat_Fan_87]

I didn't want to believe it but that's what it's come to as far as Wade's career goes and it's kinda depressing. We'll most likely pay him big money again this year to satisfy him and this season as well as the next will be his last playing as a high usage focus of our offense. Come 2017 is when we make our transition into our future, whatever that may be.

I don't think it's as simple as getting rid of Spo, maybe if we replaced him we'd stop having nights where our players give inconsistent effort but honestly I don't blame him for that and no coach short of Gregg Popovich would be able to make a contender out of this group. Teams like the Warriors and Spurs are just better both talent and fit wise.

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

This is spot-on. As much as we bitch about the roster and roster adjustments that should be made... offensively we are scraping the barrel as far as any regulated systems. I've never question Spo as much as I have this year, and it's some of the same stuff that we've seen before but didn't really question (At least I didn't). Spo has to do better and needs to be held responsible, if not more then just as much as the players, for these lapses.

what do you do when the opposing team just packs the paint, and your ball handler(s) are sloppy with the ball? I just dont thin there are that many answers with this group..they have to play near perfect ball to win

[Bishop45]

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

This is spot-on. As much as we bitch about the roster and roster adjustments that should be made... offensively we are scraping the barrel as far as any regulated systems. I've never question Spo as much as I have this year, and it's some of the same stuff that we've seen before but didn't really question (At least I didn't). Spo has to do better and needs to be held responsible, if not more then just as much as the players, for these lapses.

what do you do when the opposing team just packs the paint, and your ball handler(s) are sloppy with the ball? I just dont thin there are that many answers with this group..they have to play near perfect ball to win

There are other problems but those problems don't mean we ignore the persistent ones that keep coming back with Spo(in fact I'm saying that it's probably time to pay more attention to this one)... Even in the big 3 era with the talent we had, some of the same ole. Can't jst be a defensive coach and stay afloat nowadays, we've underacheived in just about every year under Spo... has to be more accountability

[Heat_Fan_87]

This is spot-on. As much as we bitch about the roster and roster adjustments that should be made... offensively we are scraping the barrel as far as any regulated systems. I've never question Spo as much as I have this year, and it's some of the same stuff that we've seen before but didn't really question (At least I didn't). Spo has to do better and needs to be held responsible, if not more then just as much as the players, for these lapses.

what do you do when the opposing team just packs the paint, and your ball handler(s) are sloppy with the ball? I just dont thin there are that many answers with this group..they have to play near perfect ball to win

There are other problems but those problems don't mean we ignore the persistent ones that keep coming back with Spo(in fact I'm saying that it's probably time to pay more attention to this one)... Even in the big 3 era with the talent we had, some of the same ole. Can't jst be a defensive coach and stay afloat nowadays, we've underacheived in just about every year under Spo... has to be more accountability

I agree, but if riley doesn't see it that way then this is a mute point. IMO spo is doing what is being asked of him by riley. Riley knows the players on this team, the talent level...

I disagree saying we underachieved every year with spo, before the big 3 we went to the playoffs with our 2nd best player being beasley. During the big 3, 2011, was a joke, lebron choked hard, not sure what could have been done to counter that. 2014, the spurs could not miss a shot. Last year was injuries and lebron just left.

Who would replace spo?

[Bishop45]

what do you do when the opposing team just packs the paint, and your ball handler(s) are sloppy with the ball? I just dont thin there are that many answers with this group..they have to play near perfect ball to win

There are other problems but those problems don't mean we ignore the persistent ones that keep coming back with Spo(in fact I'm saying that it's probably time to pay more attention to this one)... Even in the big 3 era with the talent we had, some of the same ole. Can't jst be a defensive coach and stay afloat nowadays, we've underacheived in just about every year under Spo... has to be more accountability

I agree, but if riley doesn't see it that way then this is a mute point. IMO spo is doing what is being asked of him by riley. Riley knows the players on this team, the talent level...

I disagree saying we underachieved every year with spo, before the big 3 we went to the playoffs with our 2nd best player being beasley. During the big 3, 2011, was a joke, lebron choked hard, not sure what could have been done to counter that. 2014, the spurs could not miss a shot. Last year was injuries and lebron just left.

Who would replace spo?

Not saying replace him but hold him accountable or at least start with a few assistants to see how high up the problems are because Spo is a good coach in a lot of aspects but this has a track record long enough to be a problem. He's kind of an emotional leader for this team and his outlook on defense follows the mantra of the entire club but whatever happens needs to happen

[ElDoggo]

I didn't want to believe it but that's what it's come to as far as Wade's career goes and it's kinda depressing. We'll most likely pay him big money again this year to satisfy him and this season as well as the next will be his last playing as a high usage focus of our offense. Come 2017 is when we make our transition into our future, whatever that may be.

I don't think it's as simple as getting rid of Spo, maybe if we replaced him we'd stop having nights where our players give inconsistent effort but honestly I don't blame him for that and no coach short of Gregg Popovich would be able to make a contender out of this group. Teams like the Warriors and Spurs are just better both talent and fit wise.

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

Problem is riley is a defense guy and i dont think he cares much about offense. riley wants him teams winning with defense. our offensive system is very basic and does rely on guys playing their best. But i dont see anything changing, spo is riley's guy and doing what riley wants. doubt we hire an asst offensive guru even tho we need one.

If Spo was let go, he might be at the point of his career where he may want to prove that he is not just a Pat Riley monkey and might be best served by trying to coach another franchise anyways.

Tom Thiboudeau is available, isn't he?

[Heat_Fan_87]

We don't need Pop and my expectation isn't that high But we are watching soem of the most vanilla sets in quite some time. I give credit for managing ego's and defensive systems but since Spo became coach, one thing has been consistent and thats offense movements and sets. Every off-season he talks about playing faster(Every year include the first year he became coach) and every year its the same. Even with BIG 3, the board and fans were screaming for us to use our talent instead of just using LBJ to do everything. Even now, we have Goran standing in a corner. We have Green taking long 3's over any sign of offense. When I watch us go through slumps its normally due to our players not being able to break down the D, since we don't have sets that get us open. We have periods where we play great but then when we have to rely on system, it breaks down. The runs are up and down because its based on soemone being hot, not sets. Green started off HOT vs. Clips but then came back to the norm. This team isn't great but its under preforming based on its talent. We have barely beat teams that we should and have lost to alot of teams that are under manned. Teams are planning for Winslow and putting a Center on him? Teams are giving Wade the drive while staying on Hassan, so no lobs can take place. We do more handoffs at the top of the key, then most NFL teams do during a game. Yes. We aren't great but we aren't as bad as our record. Sad part is, Riley will protect those topics from coming up but the more time goes, the more I think the players know it and aren't reacting to him.

Problem is riley is a defense guy and i dont think he cares much about offense. riley wants him teams winning with defense. our offensive system is very basic and does rely on guys playing their best. But i dont see anything changing, spo is riley's guy and doing what riley wants. doubt we hire an asst offensive guru even tho we need one.

If Spo was let go, he might be at the point of his career where he may want to prove that he is not just a Pat Riley monkey and might be best served by trying to coach another franchise anyways.

Tom Thiboudeau is available, isn't he?

A coach who is even worse at offense and plays his starters 40min a game?

grass is not always greener

[Heat_Fan_87]

If spo was let go, i can only think of 3 teams that would not try and hire him. ****, even cle i think would try and hire him lol

[jereseja]

Cmon guys dont be so down.U are to spoiled with these team.In sport teams and athletes are up and down thats why its interesting for watch and bet on it.Who cares how many wins we have and which spot on table we have 14.1. In east u have 1 really good team and then bunch of good teams so its the same if we are 2 or 7 in the end of season.
Plenty of time till then.Riley is still there and if Wade,Bosh and Dragic are healthy in playoffs we will be just fine.

[ElDoggo]

Problem is riley is a defense guy and i dont think he cares much about offense. riley wants him teams winning with defense. our offensive system is very basic and does rely on guys playing their best. But i dont see anything changing, spo is riley's guy and doing what riley wants. doubt we hire an asst offensive guru even tho we need one.

If Spo was let go, he might be at the point of his career where he may want to prove that he is not just a Pat Riley monkey and might be best served by trying to coach another franchise anyways.

Tom Thiboudeau is available, isn't he?

A coach who is even worse at offense and plays his starters 40min a game?

grass is not always greener

That's right.

[contract]

I must have missed the memo where Wade is struggling to hold on to his career.

If Wade was putting up Dragic's stats, you'd want him traded.

This season doesn't matter. If wade was putting up dragic stats in a season we were actually contending, then yea, i would be pissed, wade putting up dragic stats means we are a lottery team if that happens. As for this season, who cares, so many problems right now. This is an online forum, if you dont like what others are saying use the ignore feature.

So everybody else can mail it in because we're "not contending" but everyone loses their **** and it's Wade fault any game we lose.

When you dominate the ball, you dominate responsibility.

[contract]

If spo was let go, i can only think of 3 teams that would not try and hire him. ****, even cle i think would try and hire him lol

Let them have him. Preferably someone in the eastern conference. That's one team we won't have to worry about.