Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[RexBoyWonder]

And yes, the league is going in another direction. This has been a guard's league for almost 20 years now. What sport are some of you watching?

What does this mean?

We don't need Forwards or Centers ...Or are you saying teams are winning despite them? Cause I'm missing the connection... or is this statement subject to Hassan somehow

He probably means that if you have Bosh at Center, you shouldn't spend big bucks on another Center. Especially because Bosh is the better option, both with our current core and in general.

In another era, you would move Bosh to PF permanently.

[Bishop45]

We don't have History with Hassan, and he's starting to look way overrated. (still valuable, but overrated)

Def, I never seen such a stretch of games from him. Not going to even do the diservice of calling it on injury or some rookie wall. He's got great intangibles but there's not much we can do if he's just got low IQ and uncoachable... I don't know if it's the case but doesn't look too good from the outside looking in. I'm hoping it's not a problem being cordial because then we can keep him otherwise we really can't

[Bishop45]

And yes, the league is going in another direction. This has been a guard's league for almost 20 years now. What sport are some of you watching?

What does this mean?

We don't need Forwards or Centers ...Or are you saying teams are winning despite them? Cause I'm missing the connection... or is this statement subject to Hassan somehow

He probably means that if you have Bosh at Center, you shouldn't spend big bucks on another Center. Especially because Bosh is the better option, both with our current core and in general.

In another era, you would move Bosh to PF permanently.

Bosh can play Center but he's an exception not a permanent fix. We all remember life with Bosh as a Center and the obligatory "if only we had a Center" stiff. We dont even have the personnel to make it work. 9/10 That's not a disadvantage we want to take on, can't teach size

[dolphinatik]

this was coming to head for a while. Hassan is as good as gone. Heat dont know how to use him and he doesnt want to play the direction the current Heat want him to. We say we want a center and a pg like whiteside /Dragic but we dont want to let them play and get use like a center pg.eventually some palyers cant take it and whiteside is frustrated. once that confidence is gone dont think its repairable. bad habits from the Heat they dont learn. None of the recent Heat centers have been cool with drifting to the perimeter and not being able to anchor the paint. They have all complained eventually notably Bosh and JO. They used to bash Bosh about rebounding numbers and back then I was trying to point out its the system putting Bosh out of position for rebounds. Heat still cant figure it out. Wade Bosh Goran and Whteside can have success playing together but that will take changes on all their parts and this coaching staff is too timid to accept and demand the changes. TJ as a pg ha, hes a good player but he is good player but not the answer at pg. A pg is not jsut someone that can shoot and bring the ball up, takes a rare talent.

There is no surprise the players are failing the system as much as the system is failing the players.

[Hallstar]

this was coming to head for a while. Hassan is as good as gone. Heat dont know how to use him and he doesnt want to play the direction the current Heat want him to. We say we want a center and a pg like whiteside /Dragic but we dont want to let them play and get use like a center pg.eventually some palyers cant take it and whiteside is frustrated. once that confidence is gone dont think its repairable. bad habits from the Heat they dont learn. None of the recent Heat centers have been cool with drifting to the perimeter and not being able to anchor the paint. They have all complained eventually notably Bosh and JO. They used to bash Bosh about rebounding numbers and back then I was trying to point out its the system putting Bosh out of position for rebounds. Heat still cant figure it out. Wade Bosh Goran and Whteside can have success playing together but that will take changes on all their parts and this coaching staff is too timid to accept and demand the changes. TJ as a pg ha, hes a good player but he is good player but not the answer at pg. A pg is not jsut someone that can shoot and bring the ball up, takes a rare talent.

There is no surprise the players are failing the system as much as the system is failing the players.

And how exactly is Whiteside to be "used"?

As for Dragic, I was against that from the start, so don't really care

[Heat_Fan_87]

whiteside's body language ranges from mediocre to horrible. if he is not involved in a play he will pout, get back slow on defense, become less engaged in the game. very disconcerting behavior, and this is BEFORE he has gotten paid. I like whiteside, just not sure it makes sense to be paying 2 guys 40+mil combined when they both are their best playing center.

[gom]

Whiteside was an easy target. He did not play with intensity and was unable to stop Cole Aldrich. Cole Aldrich. Cole Aldrich. Jusuf Nurcik should make him into a sissy. Besides that, Whiteside gave the ball away with incredible ease. This is a man who is not concentrating on the game. He's inside himself and not with the team.

As for the team, to put this all on Whiteside is also a joke. He's just the new scapegoat. There are 6 people ultimately responsible for the state of this team: Arison, Riley, Spo, Haslem, Wade, & Bosh. It is time they step up and do whatever it is to solve the issue. Before the team only meeting, they have to be on the same page.

[reignfire]

The fact that Whiteside has an All Star level PER on a team where he's the 4th option, tells you how good he is. If you look at the PER list, all the guys ahead of him are first or second option guys.

[Heat_Fan_87]

The fact that Whiteside has an All Star level PER on a team where he's the 4th option, tells you how good he is. If you look at the PER list, all the guys ahead of him are first or second option guys.

PER is all about efficiency and considering whiteside shots are 80% dunks and he rebounds a lot is why he is up on that list. IMO he is not a top 20player in the league even tho his PER is top 20...

[gom]

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/hassan-whiteside-justise-winslow-all-star-heat-2016/

Justise can express himself very well.

[reignfire]

The fact that Whiteside has an All Star level PER on a team where he's the 4th option, tells you how good he is. If you look at the PER list, all the guys ahead of him are first or second option guys.

PER is all about efficiency and considering whiteside shots are 80% dunks and he rebounds a lot is why he is up on that list. IMO he is not a top 20player in the league even tho his PER is top 20...

Then why isn't Deandre Jordan high in PER? It's efficiency but also how much you produce when you're on the court. A guy can shoot 90% but if he only attempts 3 times while playing 28 MPG he won't have a good PER.

[Heat_Fan_87]

The fact that Whiteside has an All Star level PER on a team where he's the 4th option, tells you how good he is. If you look at the PER list, all the guys ahead of him are first or second option guys.

PER is all about efficiency and considering whiteside shots are 80% dunks and he rebounds a lot is why he is up on that list. IMO he is not a top 20player in the league even tho his PER is top 20...

Then why isn't Deandre Jordan high in PER? It's efficiency but also how much you produce when you're on the court. A guy can shoot 90% but if he only attempts 3 times while playing 28 MPG he won't have a good PER.

they are almost identical...bigger separation between whiteside who is 16 and and anthony davis who is 8ht then between whiteside(16) and jordan who is 38

[Heat_Fan_87]

Whoa, just heard from a source high within the org(who there I will not say) Very high chance whiteside is traded by the deadline. Believe it if you want or don't, just relaying the msg.

[Heat3]

Whoa, just heard from a source high within the org(who there I will not say) Very high chance whiteside is traded by the deadline. Believe it if you want or don't, just relaying the msg.

damn shame. with his contract doubt we'll get anything good. maybe a draft pick? lol

[insfo]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/687529181064724480[/tweet]<br abp="1769"><br abp="1770">Yet again more criticism for Hassan. First it was Wade now Bosh.

I thought Bosh's defense was a bigger problem against the Clips that Hassan's was. I mean, most of the buckets that Aldrich had when Hassan was on, you would at least see #21 in the frame trying to make a play. But I swear, every time Aldrich was around the basket when Hassan was off, you could not even find CB on screen .. I guess dude was getting picked off like crazy .. what was his excuse?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Whoa, just heard from a source high within the org(who there I will not say) Very high chance whiteside is traded by the deadline. Believe it if you want or don't, just relaying the msg.

Riley must be really pissed.

[insfo]

Whoa, just heard from a source high within the org(who there I will not say) Very high chance whiteside is traded by the deadline. Believe it if you want or don't, just relaying the msg.

damn shame. with his contract doubt we'll get anything good. maybe a draft pick? lol

And if that is the goal, they are going about it the wrong way. All this chatter does, is to get his value down. On the flip side, getting his value down might keep some other teams away and get him to resign on Riley's terms.

Anyway, if they do try to swing a trade, hope it is a repeat of last year and we can somehow hoodwink OKC into sending us Durant

[Heat3]

makes it worse if that turd windhorst is right. you know he not getting his info from miami but probably from other GMs that the heat have talked to.

i'm sure morey wants whiteside.

[Heat3]

Whoa, just heard from a source high within the org(who there I will not say) Very high chance whiteside is traded by the deadline. Believe it if you want or don't, just relaying the msg.

damn shame. with his contract doubt we'll get anything good. maybe a draft pick? lol

And if that is the goal, they are going about it the wrong way. All this chatter does, is to get his value down. On the flip side, getting his value down might keep some other teams away and get him to resign on Riley's terms.

Anyway, if they do try to swing a trade, hope it is a repeat of last year and we can somehow hoodwink OKC into sending us Durant

lmao we can only dream. if that is the case i'll go help pack whitesides bags

[Bishop45]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/687529181064724480[/tweet]<br abp="1769"><br abp="1770">Yet again more criticism for Hassan. First it was Wade now Bosh.

I thought Bosh's defense was a bigger problem against the Clips that Hassan's was. I mean, most of the buckets that Aldrich had when Hassan was on, you would at least see #21 in the frame trying to make a play. But I swear, every time Aldrich was around the basket when Hassan was off, you could not even find CB on screen .. I guess dude was getting picked off like crazy .. what was his excuse?

True, Whiteside doesn't have much leverage here in such situations, with coaching, fans, teammates etc.... it's a shame how the leadership on this team seems to be fathering some of the worse habits. May need a few more leaders so it's not just a select few getting sonned

I think like 7 of Cole's points were on Hassan, possibly. Although he had arguably the worst game of his career