Around the NBA streets Vol. 4: YEPPIE!

[MartyConlonJr]

Even with healthy KD and Kyrie, BKN's roster kinda meh

KD will have a lot of pressure with his leg, Kyrie's health, and a meh roster next szn

luckily he has those EZ chips and fmvps from GS that if none of that works out it won't matter. top 25 all time or something like that if he retired today.

I think the Nets are a Darkhorse contender for 2020-2021, if their chips fall into place.
They'll have Kyrie / KD and a still very "young and improving" Jarrett Allen, supported by a core of LeVert, LeDinwiddie, and LePrince. If they can re-sign LeHarris and/or add some key pieces, they'll be LePrettyGood.

Counterpoint: Kyrie ruins everything

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[MartyConlonJr]

Gotta say, Whiteside - I'm glad he is doing his thing in Portland. When we beat them, there were some obvious Whitsideism's of not getting out on shooters and so on, but he is not a perfect player and if you roll with him, you live with his warts for what you do get.

For the season he is now putting up some of his best numbers of his career - probably his best season all things considered and he does seem to, at least to a degree, affect winning. I had a quick gander at his advanced stats and I think they are better with him on court than not (correct me if I'm wrong). He is getting around 30 mpg and he is improving month to month. On a team with a better record, he would have a shot as All-star calibre if west wasn't so packed.

That being said, I don't want him back, but I'm glad he is motivated, contributing and showing signs of affecting winning. Feel like some of what Spo and Miami were trying to get him to buy into, he has done in Portland.

[HeatFanLifer]

Gotta say, Whiteside - I'm glad he is doing his thing in Portland. When we beat them, there were some obvious Whitsideism's of not getting out on shooters and so on, but he is not a perfect player and if you roll with him, you live with his warts for what you do get.

For the season he is now putting up some of his best numbers of his career - probably his best season all things considered and he does seem to, at least to a degree, affect winning. I had a quick gander at his advanced stats and I think they are better with him on court than not (correct me if I'm wrong). He is getting around 30 mpg and he is improving month to month. On a team with a better record, he would have a shot as All-star calibre if west wasn't so packed.

That being said, I don't want him back, but I'm glad he is motivated, contributing and showing signs of affecting winning. Feel like some of what Spo and Miami were trying to get him to buy into, he has done in Portland.

It’s a contract year for Whiteside. If there is ever a time for him to play his best it would be now. With that said, I don’t see how he can play big minutes once Nurkic comes back and I don’t see Portland offering Whiteside much money to return.

[AirP.]

Gotta say, Whiteside - I'm glad he is doing his thing in Portland. When we beat them, there were some obvious Whitsideism's of not getting out on shooters and so on, but he is not a perfect player and if you roll with him, you live with his warts for what you do get.

For the season he is now putting up some of his best numbers of his career - probably his best season all things considered and he does seem to, at least to a degree, affect winning. I had a quick gander at his advanced stats and I think they are better with him on court than not (correct me if I'm wrong). He is getting around 30 mpg and he is improving month to month. On a team with a better record, he would have a shot as All-star calibre if west wasn't so packed.

That being said, I don't want him back, but I'm glad he is motivated, contributing and showing signs of affecting winning. Feel like some of what Spo and Miami were trying to get him to buy into, he has done in Portland.

It’s a contract year for Whiteside. If there is ever a time for him to play his best it would be now. With that said, I don’t see how he can play big minutes once Nurkic comes back and I don’t see Portland offering Whiteside much money to return.

Nurkic is planning on coming back around the All-Star break which is after the trade deadline which makes things kind of tough on Portland. I believe the thinking in Portland was, you acquire Whiteside to have a solid center till Nurkic returns and then flip him in a package for another piece(like K.Love) but doing this the last second of the trade deadline would give Portland possibly 5 games without Whiteside or Nurkic(after all-star break) and that's if Nurkic has no setbacks. If Portland feel very comfortable with Nurkic coming back without issues they could try to deal without Whiteside or Nurkic for a week or so depending on Nurkic's return date.

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Pistons look poised to be big sellers come trade deadline

[Bishop45]

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That's a really big boy, I thought that was Joshua Smith working out with the Houston Vipers for a sec when I saw it on the TV.

Still walks the same too; I wish he well

[Feel_the_Heat15]

BPA is subjective, I won't argue that. But very hard to see a scenario where either pick was a ceiling/upside pick where they were chosen. Both out up meh seasons with glaring flaws. I see Bam as a fit-pick cause we knew Hassan wasn't a part of Heat's future at that time-- not sure how else to see that pick at the time, so in that context I see them as fit picks

There were around a hand full of prospects that went after Herro that were generally rated higher, but opinions vary. Doesn't matter now

Bam and Herro put up "meh" seasons? Bam had a BPM of 9.5 which is basically lottery territory for a freshman. He was averaging 17+ PPG per 36 and had a TS% of 62.4. Herro wasn't a great finisher in college and still managed to make more than 52% of his 2-pointers. I think he even broke Kentucky's FT% record that year. Those are not "meh" seasons.

We drafted Bam in 2017 and Hassan left the team in 2019 so were the Heat looking 2 years in the future ? If Adebayo was drafted for fit, who was BPA?

Those are without a doubt meh seasons, especially when you compare them to the few players that were rated ahead of them

2 yrs into the future isn't a boisterous amount of time to plan for, we do that all the time. I'm not doing this dance with you, shoo

So a few players had a better year than Bam and Herro and that meant the aforementioned players had "meh" seasons ?

Bam as a 1st-year player was 3rd in offensive AND defensive win shares, 6th in FTA, 2nd in 2PT FGs, 3rd in rebounds per game and 1st in offensive rating in the SEC. You're underselling what Bam did just so that you don't lose this argument. You didn't even answer my question. Who was BPA if Bam wasn't it?

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Unless things go horribly wrong to end this season/playoffs, he'll be opting out to sign the 5-year/$202 million max deal with the Lakers this summer.

[Bishop45]

Bam and Herro put up "meh" seasons? Bam had a BPM of 9.5 which is basically lottery territory for a freshman. He was averaging 17+ PPG per 36 and had a TS% of 62.4. Herro wasn't a great finisher in college and still managed to make more than 52% of his 2-pointers. I think he even broke Kentucky's FT% record that year. Those are not "meh" seasons.

We drafted Bam in 2017 and Hassan left the team in 2019 so were the Heat looking 2 years in the future ? If Adebayo was drafted for fit, who was BPA?

Those are without a doubt meh seasons, especially when you compare them to the few players that were rated ahead of them

2 yrs into the future isn't a boisterous amount of time to plan for, we do that all the time. I'm not doing this dance with you, shoo

So a few players had a better year than Bam and Herro and that meant the aforementioned players had "meh" seasons ?

Bam as a 1st-year player was 3rd in offensive AND defensive win shares, 6th in FTA, 2nd in 2PT FGs, 3rd in rebounds per game and 1st in offensive rating in the SEC. You're underselling what Bam did just so that you don't lose this argument. You didn't even answer my question. Who was BPA if Bam wasn't it?

You're right, I didn't answer your question-- Swanigan, Collins, White, and Leaf all had better seasons and players I would've been okay with calling a better prospect at the time of the draft. And there were a few that had lesser seasons that I would have called better prospects based on the premise of wanting a player with the highest ceiling

You're going to make a parochial argument, per usual, to try to make it not seem like a meh season, and I will not respond

[Mos_Heat]

My guess, AD will sign 2+1

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Those are without a doubt meh seasons, especially when you compare them to the few players that were rated ahead of them

2 yrs into the future isn't a boisterous amount of time to plan for, we do that all the time. I'm not doing this dance with you, shoo

So a few players had a better year than Bam and Herro and that meant the aforementioned players had "meh" seasons ?

Bam as a 1st-year player was 3rd in offensive AND defensive win shares, 6th in FTA, 2nd in 2PT FGs, 3rd in rebounds per game and 1st in offensive rating in the SEC. You're underselling what Bam did just so that you don't lose this argument. You didn't even answer my question. Who was BPA if Bam wasn't it?

You're right, I didn't answer your question-- Swanigan, Collins, White, and Leaf all had better seasons and players I would've been okay with calling a better prospect at the time of the draft. And there were a few that had lesser seasons that I would have called better prospects based on the premise of wanting a player with the highest ceiling

You're going to make a parochial argument, per usual, to try to make it not seem like a meh season, and I will not respond

I said who was BPA not who had a better season. Notice how all the players except for 1 you've mentioned weren't freshman in 2017. Just admit that you were wrong.

[Bishop45]

So a few players had a better year than Bam and Herro and that meant the aforementioned players had "meh" seasons ?

Bam as a 1st-year player was 3rd in offensive AND defensive win shares, 6th in FTA, 2nd in 2PT FGs, 3rd in rebounds per game and 1st in offensive rating in the SEC. You're underselling what Bam did just so that you don't lose this argument. You didn't even answer my question. Who was BPA if Bam wasn't it?

You're right, I didn't answer your question-- Swanigan, Collins, White, and Leaf all had better seasons and players I would've been okay with calling a better prospect at the time of the draft. And there were a few that had lesser seasons that I would have called better prospects based on the premise of wanting a player with the highest ceiling

You're going to make a parochial argument, per usual, to try to make it not seem like a meh season, and I will not respond

I said who was BPA not who had a better season. Notice how all the players except for 1 you've mentioned weren't freshman in 2017. Just admit that you were wrong.

You asked for one, I gave you 4, my point is that it wasn't Bam. I didn't just list 4 players with better seasons, I literally said that they were all players that I would have called better prospects at the time of the draft as I didn't have a consensus BPA at the time. You will continue to shift the goal post and make nonsense arguments and I will not be a/your victim today; get lost

[Wiltside]

Bam was absolutely not considered BPA. He was projected in the 20’s, no one had him in the lottery. Herro was amongst a number of guys in the 10-20 odd range, didn’t expect him in the early part of it though.

Is this like when FtH said he wouldn’t trade Richardson for Ingram? Smh

[Mos_Heat]

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it has begun MOS?

probably not, but good for him

[Feel_the_Heat15]

You're right, I didn't answer your question-- Swanigan, Collins, White, and Leaf all had better seasons and players I would've been okay with calling a better prospect at the time of the draft. And there were a few that had lesser seasons that I would have called better prospects based on the premise of wanting a player with the highest ceiling

You're going to make a parochial argument, per usual, to try to make it not seem like a meh season, and I will not respond

I said who was BPA not who had a better season. Notice how all the players except for 1 you've mentioned weren't freshman in 2017. Just admit that you were wrong.

You asked for one, I gave you 4, my point is that it wasn't Bam. I didn't just list 4 players with better seasons, I literally said that they were all players that I would have called better prospects at the time of the draft as I didn't have a consensus BPA at the time. You will continue to shift the goal post and make nonsense arguments and I will not be a/your victim today; get lost

Do you even understand what you're saying? So because you didn't have Bam as BPA, he wasn't BPA to the Heat? ESPN had him as the 17th best player in the draft or drafted at 17. Pat Riley compared him to Shawn Kemp. If Bam wasn't BPA, why did we draft him over a better fitting player like Leaf? Please, explain that. Oh wait, you can't.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Bam was absolutely not considered BPA. He was projected in the 20’s, no one had him in the lottery. Herro was amongst a number of guys in the 10-20 odd range, didn’t expect him in the early part of it though.

Is this like when FtH said he wouldn’t trade Richardson for Ingram? Smh

Why would the Heat deliberately not draft BPA? You guys are making no sense but I'm not surprised since these are the same people that boo'd the last 2 Heat FRPs.

[Bishop45]

You're shifting goal posts, again. We weren't even criticizing Bam or Heat. Pls stop

[Dr_Heat]

[IggieCC]

smh