Philly @ Miami - Tuesday - May 10th - 7:30 PM - GAME 5

[gom]

Bam & Herro were awesome tonight. Loved Vincent and Dipo too. Strus contributed a ton.

Butler, however, was everything all the time, and the 76ers don't have a way to stop him.

[Wiltside]

Bam & Herro were awesome tonight. Loved Vincent and Dipo too. Strus contributed a ton.

Butler, however, was everything all the time, and the 76ers don't have a way to stop him.

Can't imagine being a Philly fan and watching Jimmy just decimate your team. Must be infuriating.

Hard to believe we traded Richardson and Whiteside and got him. What a coup.

[gom]

Bam & Herro were awesome tonight. Loved Vincent and Dipo too. Strus contributed a ton.

Butler, however, was everything all the time, and the 76ers don't have a way to stop him.

Can't imagine being a Philly fan and watching Jimmy just decimate your team. Must be infuriating.

Hard to believe we traded Richardson and Whiteside and got him. What a coup.

Not as good as the LeBron trade but close:

July 6, 2019: As part of a 4-team trade, [Jimmy Butler] was traded by the Philadelphia 76ers to the Miami Heat; the Los Angeles Clippers traded cash to the Miami Heat; the Miami Heat traded a 2023 1st round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Miami Heat traded Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Mathias Lessort to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Maurice Harkless to the Los Angeles Clippers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Meyers Leonard to the Miami Heat. $110K (top-14 protected)

So, we got Maurice Harklsss & Meyers Leonard too, and it cost us the 2023 pick to the Clippers, which ended up with all the other picks in OKC.

[carnageta]

This guy has arguably outplayed Embiid the past two (2) games.

To get out of the East you need to go through Giannis, Embiid, and Jayson Tatum. What better guy for the job?

[Hallstar]

He's now had 21 playoff games since that 37 point game and he's had 20+ points 3 times since then. Let that sink in.

that's 3 this playoffs.

Some of you are hilarious.

His role and the rotations are completely different since the reg season. Yes Philly is trapping more, but that's hardly the issue.

No... it's 2 games these playoffs the same amount of games he's scored 6 or fewer points for Miami.

What is his role if he's not scoring? It sure isn't defense.

Here's his playoff game log for each game. It doesn't have his 10-point game tonight in it.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog-playoffs/

Can't wait to hear the outcry a year after Herro signs his next contract no matter what team he's on.

Ok, let me break down what you're seeing if you don't understand it. Every day Maxey starts a game, he knows the ball handling heirarchy on the floor is him and Harden while Embiid will just be doing Embiid.

Herro currently has at least 5 other players, all senior to him in either age or experience who fancy themselves as ball handlers.(Lowry, Jimmy, Dipo, Gabe, Bam). All these players were not in the rotation during the season for various reasons so he had a lot more freedom to be consistently creative on ball. As the youngest player, he's gonna defer if senior players are demanding the ball. It's natural.

He's not established enough as a player to be getting in a back and forth with vets and damn sure not in the playoffs.

Added to that is that Bam is easily his fav pnr option yet until the 4th quarter of most games, he's stuck out there trying to run offense with the living moving screen since Spo insists on bringing them in together.

Herro's offensive ability isn't theoretical. It's up to Spo to figure out how he can create lineups that worked during the season if Herro being a better scorer is gonna be desired deeper in the playoffs.

Chucking is always an option....meaning that there's not any defense holding Herro to 8 shots. It's the change in offense.

[HeatFanLifer]

This team is 9 wins from an NBA championship. Pretty wild when it’s put in that perspective.

[harlem_ball]

that's 3 this playoffs.

Some of you are hilarious.

His role and the rotations are completely different since the reg season. Yes Philly is trapping more, but that's hardly the issue.

No... it's 2 games these playoffs the same amount of games he's scored 6 or fewer points for Miami.

What is his role if he's not scoring? It sure isn't defense.

Here's his playoff game log for each game. It doesn't have his 10-point game tonight in it.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog-playoffs/

Can't wait to hear the outcry a year after Herro signs his next contract no matter what team he's on.

Ok, let me break down what you're seeing if you don't understand it. Every day Maxey starts a game, he knows the ball handling heirarchy on the floor is him and Harden while Embiid will just be doing Embiid.

Herro currently has at least 5 other players, all senior to him in either age or experience who fancy themselves as ball handlers.(Lowry, Jimmy, Dipo, Gabe, Bam). All these players were not in the rotation during the season for various reasons so he had a lot more freedom to be consistently creative on ball. As the youngest player, he's gonna defer if senior players are demanding the ball. It's natural.

He's not established enough as a player to be getting in a back and forth with vets and damn sure not in the playoffs.

Added to that is that Bam is easily his fav pnr option yet until the 4th quarter of most games, he's stuck out there trying to run offense with the living moving screen since Spo insists on bringing them in together.

Herro's offensive ability isn't theoretical. It's up to Spo to figure out how he can create lineups that worked during the season if Herro being a better scorer is gonna be desired deeper in the playoffs.

Chucking is always an option....meaning that there's not any defense holding Herro to 8 shots. It's the change in offense.

Im going to disagree with your take. Although it may seem natural in a heirarcial structure where you're promoted by seniority or minutes played, this is sports.

Maybe Herro is deferring for the good of leadership but ultimately he will be hindering himself as a player. A player is responsible for reaching their full potential and the coach is supposed to make the pieces fit.

Maybe a Jazz trade / trade to a bad team will get his butt in gear. It's a good time for him to leave the system here and find his full potential.

[3ballbomber]

We are a fickle bunch aren't we. Herro has taken significant strides this season. Went from 13ppg as rook to close to 21ppg in only his 3rd as season & is only 22yrs of age! That's no chump. He was instrumental during reg season in helping us win ball games & achieving top of the East. He has a stretch of games not to his usual standard & we're trading him now? You're not even going to wait for him to gain these valuable playoffs experience to improve himself further, he has few tough gm's where he's trying to figure things out so instead we're just going to throw him away as if we didn't just spend 3 seasons developing the f*ck out of this kid?

[harlem_ball]

We are a fickle bunch aren't we. Herro has taken significant strides this season. Went from 13ppg as rook to close to 21ppg in only his 3rd as season & is only 22yrs of age! That's no chump. He was instrumental during reg season in helping us win ball games & achieving top of the East. He has a stretch of games not to his usual standard & we're trading him now? You're not even going to wait for him to gain these valuable playoffs experience to improve himself further, he has few tough gm's where he's trying to figure things out so instead we're just going to throw him away as if we didn't just spend 3 seasons developing the f*ck out of this kid?

Herros great but he may get traded for Mitchell I guess

[harlem_ball]

Jimmy Butler is reaching new levels of arse kicking. This is a new peak he's reaching. Just unconscious near the cup right now.

Moving it.
Grooving it.

[3ballbomber]

If we don’t win the next game it’s going to be too much pressure at home and we might lose game 7. Must close this out in 6 and gain confidence that we can win away against a good team in the play offs

I swear some of our fans are afraid of everything. This is sports ladies. Nothing worth it ever comes easy or handed to you. You have to work hard for it & persevere through obstacles. Pressure & being able to handle it is a big part of sports & is what separates the greats from others. If we can handle it then we don't deserve anything. It's what makes Championships so special. Nothing wrong w/ a gm7 nail biter to put some hairs on your chest & clear the sinuses

[harlem_ball]

If we don’t win the next game it’s going to be too much pressure at home and we might lose game 7. Must close this out in 6 and gain confidence that we can win away against a good team in the play offs

I swear some of our fans are afraid of everything. This is sports ladies. Nothing worth it ever comes easy or handed to you. You have to work hard for it & persevere through obstacles. Pressure & being able to handle it is a big part of sports & is what separates the greats from others. If we can handle it then we don't deserve anything. It's what makes Championships so special. Nothing wrong w/ a gm7 nail biter to put some hairs on your chest & clear the sinuses

Team is stacked. If we can get over the height hump the ship is ours to steal! Bwahahaha

[MHeat0279]

Back him in. Tyler has come through for us before. Dude put up 37 on Boston in the bubble, and has been a core piece for us all season.

If it ain't working, well, we give more burn to Vic/Strus or break out Duncan for spacing. See what happens. But I think we need to give Tyler the benefit of the doubt. He's earned that.

He's now had 21 playoff games since that 37 point game and he's had 20+ points 3 times since then. Let that sink in.

I'm aware of his struggles as a Rookie in the Finals, the poor Bucks showing of the whole team last year and the Hawks series where he was less than stellar. No doubt he isn't playing his best ball, but when he's on he can turn a game for us. He remains one of our better offensive players, he just needs to get himself on-track.

If he can't do it and we fail to win the 'chip, ultimately Riley will go shopping. It is what it is.

The problem with Herro is he is not looking to score, you can see he is picking up his dribble very early, not sure if its vecause they are trapping him, and we all know what happens when they pressure him with the ball.

[MHeat0279]

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Angry Embiid got absolutely clamped by Bam all night. Who else in the league is doing this?

That was an exellent segment of defense

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Top 10 player in the world

[IceColdCubano]

No... it's 2 games these playoffs the same amount of games he's scored 6 or fewer points for Miami.

What is his role if he's not scoring? It sure isn't defense.

Here's his playoff game log for each game. It doesn't have his 10-point game tonight in it.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog-playoffs/

Can't wait to hear the outcry a year after Herro signs his next contract no matter what team he's on.

Ok, let me break down what you're seeing if you don't understand it. Every day Maxey starts a game, he knows the ball handling heirarchy on the floor is him and Harden while Embiid will just be doing Embiid.

Herro currently has at least 5 other players, all senior to him in either age or experience who fancy themselves as ball handlers.(Lowry, Jimmy, Dipo, Gabe, Bam). All these players were not in the rotation during the season for various reasons so he had a lot more freedom to be consistently creative on ball. As the youngest player, he's gonna defer if senior players are demanding the ball. It's natural.

He's not established enough as a player to be getting in a back and forth with vets and damn sure not in the playoffs.

Added to that is that Bam is easily his fav pnr option yet until the 4th quarter of most games, he's stuck out there trying to run offense with the living moving screen since Spo insists on bringing them in together.

Herro's offensive ability isn't theoretical. It's up to Spo to figure out how he can create lineups that worked during the season if Herro being a better scorer is gonna be desired deeper in the playoffs.

Chucking is always an option....meaning that there's not any defense holding Herro to 8 shots. It's the change in offense.

Im going to disagree with your take. Although it may seem natural in a heirarcial structure where you're promoted by seniority or minutes played, this is sports.

Maybe Herro is deferring for the good of leadership but ultimately he will be hindering himself as a player. A player is responsible for reaching their full potential and the coach is supposed to make the pieces fit.

Maybe a Jazz trade / trade to a bad team will get his butt in gear. It's a good time for him to leave the system here and find his full potential.

Every player is responsible for their own progression and being the best they can be during the structure placed in front of them. Its not up to the player to decide what the hierarchal position they belong to. That comes naturally true games played, and from the coaching staff moving them up the totem pole based on that progression. Too many times Herro is used as primary ball handler to give our primary ball handlers rest, and that's not his game or his best ability. Herro has been best used at the top of the key for a set play, on pick and roll or a pick and pop. Plays that barely get played as 50% of his shots are usually outlet passes from one of the wings wasting the shot clock down trying to penetrate or create. This poses a big problem because he is now being guarded tight on the court so the usual outlet passes are not finding him, essentially 76rs have just removed 50% of Herro's offensive opportunities (That's a great plan by the way). So now your seeing Herro either finding the only time to get opportunities only when they present themselves. I think in this series we could theoretically use Herro like Duncan, and spam DHO's for him but unfortunately those plays rarely get called for Herro, instead go to players like Vincent, Struss, Duncan when they are on the court.

[Hallstar]

No... it's 2 games these playoffs the same amount of games he's scored 6 or fewer points for Miami.

What is his role if he's not scoring? It sure isn't defense.

Here's his playoff game log for each game. It doesn't have his 10-point game tonight in it.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog-playoffs/

Can't wait to hear the outcry a year after Herro signs his next contract no matter what team he's on.

Ok, let me break down what you're seeing if you don't understand it. Every day Maxey starts a game, he knows the ball handling heirarchy on the floor is him and Harden while Embiid will just be doing Embiid.

Herro currently has at least 5 other players, all senior to him in either age or experience who fancy themselves as ball handlers.(Lowry, Jimmy, Dipo, Gabe, Bam). All these players were not in the rotation during the season for various reasons so he had a lot more freedom to be consistently creative on ball. As the youngest player, he's gonna defer if senior players are demanding the ball. It's natural.

He's not established enough as a player to be getting in a back and forth with vets and damn sure not in the playoffs.

Added to that is that Bam is easily his fav pnr option yet until the 4th quarter of most games, he's stuck out there trying to run offense with the living moving screen since Spo insists on bringing them in together.

Herro's offensive ability isn't theoretical. It's up to Spo to figure out how he can create lineups that worked during the season if Herro being a better scorer is gonna be desired deeper in the playoffs.

Chucking is always an option....meaning that there's not any defense holding Herro to 8 shots. It's the change in offense.

Im going to disagree with your take. Although it may seem natural in a heirarcial structure where you're promoted by seniority or minutes played, this is sports.

Maybe Herro is deferring for the good of leadership but ultimately he will be hindering himself as a player. A player is responsible for reaching their full potential and the coach is supposed to make the pieces fit.

Maybe a Jazz trade / trade to a bad team will get his butt in gear. It's a good time for him to leave the system here and find his full potential.

We've seen this before in sports, it's a reason players are cleared out ahead of other players. Yes a player is responsible for reaching their potential, that happens in offseason. In games, the coach is responsible for the lineups on the floor. We all know about "chemistry" and if too many dudes feel they aren't eating.

[HEATVols865]

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Angry Embiid got absolutely clamped by Bam all night. Who else in the league is doing this?

He needs to do this all the time not sporadically.


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[HEATVols865]

No Grumpy this morning either? Hmmm


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[AirP.]

that's 3 this playoffs.

Some of you are hilarious.

His role and the rotations are completely different since the reg season. Yes Philly is trapping more, but that's hardly the issue.

No... it's 2 games these playoffs the same amount of games he's scored 6 or fewer points for Miami.

What is his role if he's not scoring? It sure isn't defense.

Here's his playoff game log for each game. It doesn't have his 10-point game tonight in it.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog-playoffs/

Can't wait to hear the outcry a year after Herro signs his next contract no matter what team he's on.

Ok, let me break down what you're seeing if you don't understand it. Every day Maxey starts a game, he knows the ball handling heirarchy on the floor is him and Harden while Embiid will just be doing Embiid.

Herro currently has at least 5 other players, all senior to him in either age or experience who fancy themselves as ball handlers.(Lowry, Jimmy, Dipo, Gabe, Bam). All these players were not in the rotation during the season for various reasons so he had a lot more freedom to be consistently creative on ball. As the youngest player, he's gonna defer if senior players are demanding the ball. It's natural.

He's not established enough as a player to be getting in a back and forth with vets and damn sure not in the playoffs.

Added to that is that Bam is easily his fav pnr option yet until the 4th quarter of most games, he's stuck out there trying to run offense with the living moving screen since Spo insists on bringing them in together.

Herro's offensive ability isn't theoretical. It's up to Spo to figure out how he can create lineups that worked during the season if Herro being a better scorer is gonna be desired deeper in the playoffs.

Chucking is always an option....meaning that there's not any defense holding Herro to 8 shots. It's the change in offense.

Oh, I get it, play one way all year long then dramatically change the way you play for the playoffs.

My opinion differs then yours because I don't think it's about seniority, I think it has something to do with ability and what I've tried to tell you people.... during the season Herro was a scorer and teams weren't scheming, studying or practicing to stop that player because you fly in, MAYBE practice then play the game. In the playoffs teams know they have a series to play against 1 team so they can educate themselves on the team and players so they understand what to take away and what certain players like to do... hence Herro being pressured on the ball and him from time to time picking up his dribble with nobody to pass to.... that's not seniority, that's defenders knowing how to better player a person. Now if Herro was a vet most players would already know what to try to take away from him since they've played against him for years, that's not the case for Herro, he had a new role having a green light and with that defenders weren't sure how to guard him.

I promise you, if Miami(coaches/players) thought Herro could score well they'd try to use him more.