2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0

[twix2500]

I must say for the first time I am impressed by Myron Gardner. I am starting to see what the coaches see in him. If this becomes a trend up in his min contribution and effectiveness it would make it way more easier to trade Fontecchio. Even thou he was in general left wide open, I came out intrigued in his athleticism.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Well, Miami isn't trading Bam the same way warriors wouldn't trade Steph. I truly believe that. You want to put giannis or ant or Donovan WITH bam. Not trade them for him.

And secondly, if you believe that knucklehead has any insider knowledge at all, he said a bigger name not talked about. Giannis rumors have been talked about to death.

It could be a guy like Siakam or Reaves/LeBron (lakers don't work with them and Luka). LeBron on GSW would be pretty fun. Lauri? Sabonis? Anyway. It'd have to be something like that. Top 30-40 guys that haven't been mentioned much or at all lately in trades and that are better than the likes of Murphy Wiggins MPJ that you mentioned etc.

I would be a fan of LeBron to the warriors, it’d be fun to see that play out with 2 of this eras great rivalries finally teaming up

We will have Giannis Ant or Mitchell in the next 3 years at most

Lebron is cooked. He makes herro look like prime Gary Payton on defense. The Lakers have cratered since his arrival.

He is gaming counting stats right now.

That’s fine, idc about them winning games I care about the narratives and seeing 2 greats play together.

My guess is he goes into this summer as a FA and signs wherever he wants to end his career for cheap and has a farewell tour

[twix2500]

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[Enso]

I think GS will be getting Curry, Butler and Green some help although their acquisitions this summer are finally starting to get healthy (Melton and Horford) even though Melton is still on a minute's restriction (I think it's 25 now).

Going off all the rumors and what teams want; I think Miami could have by far the best deadline moves and GS should have a good one too.

This new CBA really adds more calculations in how you can or can't make trades and it's made 2nd round picks highly valuable, especially if you can get a 2nd rounder you think can play to sign a 4-year deal at or near the minimum like GS did with Richard (but not Post, they learned from that).

How’s the game to game chemistry between Steph and Jimmy lookin thus far this season?

When Curry, Butler and Green on the floor, Green and Butler are just playmakers trying to find Curry (which is why Kerr doesn't play Kuminga, he likes to call his number too much and isn't good enough to just let him iso all the time when Curry's off the court). Kerr's trying to find some type of 2-man game with Butler and Curry with them setting picks for each other. Last year Butler emphasized he was Robin and Curry was Batman and a ton of possessions Butler just looked for Curry, so when Curry went out in the 2nd round, not only was Butler hurt, the offense wasn't built for him at all hence an iso player like Kuminga did fine since the engine to the only offense they knew was out. This year, Kerr has put in a different offense for the Butler on Curry off lineups so if they lose Curry again at some point, the team will be ready to play with Butler as the engine. Last year they didn't know where to go and would clog Butler's driving lanes or not know where to be to get a pass from Butler when he drives with zero thought of shooting the ball.

Curry is incredible but man.... does he throw some terrible TOs, I've never seen basically a whole team throw unforced turnovers like GS does that end up easy baskets the other way, and GS don't have the offensive talent to do that and still win.

There was a big game that was up for grabs that Jimmy choked vs the t wolves in think it was game 3. I get the whole not being fully acclimated part but even so he chit the bed big time, playoff jimmy was nowhere to be found.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Butler's buddy Errny replied to a GS fan post that had GS possible targets of MPJ, Murphy III, J.Grant and Wiggins and replied... A bigger unknown name that hasn’t been mentioned…

This got me looking around at who might have a bigger name possibly moving.
Let me walk you through my thought process, I went through a few teams and then came up with this...

Milwaukee
- They're bad and can't contend with Giannis this year and probably the next few years.
- Even if they traded Giannis they can't tank, they've given out way too many swaps, the next 2 years for sure.
- They need talent and draft assets.

Memphis
- We know Morant doesn't want to be there unless he's in charge and that would be very dangerous for Memphis.
- They just moved Bane for picks this summer.
- If they move Ja they'd like some type of asset for Ja and just get some expiring's.

Miami
- Star hunting or maybe not.

Golden State
- Need size
- Wants to have a shot in the West

How do we make everyone happy?
1. Have to convince Milwaukee to trade Giannis and still be ok with upside and draft assets, basically overwhelm them.
2. Memphis needs to move Ja, wants something for him and to get off money, might have to entice them just a bit.
3. Miami wants impact players/stars.
4. Golden state needs size.

So, let's start with Miami.
-> Bam, Herro, Rozier and K.Johnson (Larrson and Jakučionis but I doubt you'd move either before Johnson). Of course draft assets to, some to Milwaukee, maybe 1 to Memphis.
<- Giannis, Ja, Thanasis and one of Memphis' near minimum salaries.
Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

Basically, Bam is too old for a Milwaukee rebuild on the run, but Herro isn't, so you need more picks and the need to free up space. Basically, GS would be trading 2-3 1sts, maybe a swap or 2, Kuminga and Moody to help overwhelm Milwaukee. Not many teams can send Milwaukee this much of a package where they aren't completely terrible while not owning their own picks/swaps.

Milwaukee...
-> Giannis, Thanasis, G.Harris
<- Herro, Kuminga and Moody (plus 4-6 1st or swaps)
They get some youth, some potential and picks, some from Miami, some from GS.

GS
-> Kuminga, Moody, Hield and 2-3 1sts and possibly a swap or 2.
<- Bam, G.Harris, K.Johnson
Starters... Curry, Melton, Butler, Green, Bam
Bench... Podz, Richard, GP2, Post, Horford
They'd need to find a backup wing somehow.

Memphis...
-> Ja, near minimum guy
<- Rozier, Hield (both expiring although it cost 3 mil to buy Hield out next year) and some draft compensation from Miami and/or GS.

So, the trade would look like this (just did the player movement, not the draft assets) ...
* There is some wiggle room to make changes to the lower salary players, not much room but some.

Spoiler:

Well, Miami isn't trading Bam the same way warriors wouldn't trade Steph. I truly believe that. You want to put giannis or ant or Donovan WITH bam. Not trade them for him.

And secondly, if you believe that knucklehead has any insider knowledge at all, he said a bigger name not talked about. Giannis rumors have been talked about to death.

It could be a guy like Siakam or Reaves/LeBron (lakers don't work with them and Luka). LeBron on GSW would be pretty fun. Lauri? Sabonis? Anyway. It'd have to be something like that. Top 30-40 guys that haven't been mentioned much or at all lately in trades and that are better than the likes of Murphy Wiggins MPJ that you mentioned etc.

You'd think someone that is around Butler that much hears some things and yes, the name he's heard may not be Bam at all but with all the rumors and of course, looking at each team's situation which is what I did, this looks like a very a logical 4 team trade.

Bam isn't in the same level in the organization as Steph is with GS. I personally would rather have Giannis in GS but I highly doubt that's going to happen, and for.

If Miami were to trade for Giannis without giving up Bam, the salary and assets you'd have to give up overwhelming Milwaukee to give him up would lop side Miami's roster. They'd definitely ask for Herro, Ware and probably 1-2 of the other rookie scale guys and a bunch of picks, not an impossible package but it would probably leave you with very few options to shape the roster how you need it to be shaped.

To me it just seemed like a big win for each team. A starting lineup of Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis and Ware to me looked like a strong contender.

[AirP.]

How’s the game to game chemistry between Steph and Jimmy lookin thus far this season?

When Curry, Butler and Green on the floor, Green and Butler are just playmakers trying to find Curry (which is why Kerr doesn't play Kuminga, he likes to call his number too much and isn't good enough to just let him iso all the time when Curry's off the court). Kerr's trying to find some type of 2-man game with Butler and Curry with them setting picks for each other. Last year Butler emphasized he was Robin and Curry was Batman and a ton of possessions Butler just looked for Curry, so when Curry went out in the 2nd round, not only was Butler hurt, the offense wasn't built for him at all hence an iso player like Kuminga did fine since the engine to the only offense they knew was out. This year, Kerr has put in a different offense for the Butler on Curry off lineups so if they lose Curry again at some point, the team will be ready to play with Butler as the engine. Last year they didn't know where to go and would clog Butler's driving lanes or not know where to be to get a pass from Butler when he drives with zero thought of shooting the ball.

Curry is incredible but man.... does he throw some terrible TOs, I've never seen basically a whole team throw unforced turnovers like GS does that end up easy baskets the other way, and GS don't have the offensive talent to do that and still win.

There was a big game that was up for grabs that Jimmy choked vs the t wolves in think it was game 3. I get the whole not being fully acclimated part but even so he chit the bed big time, playoff jimmy was nowhere to be found.

He shouldn't have been playing after being injured by Thompson in the first round. I wonder how much drugs they put into him to just get him to play. He sure wasn't moving good after that injury.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

FWIW I can’t stand Fat Erny but he was dead on about Ja wanting Miami when he said it last March or whatever

[KingDavid]

I'm just tired of every game a narrative being pushed. This has been my least favorite Heat season in the past 20ish years, the 07-08 season was more fun cause at least everyone knew we sucked and were on the same page.

That year was fun AF, never been to so many heat games like that year but at least we picked a direction that year. Oh well, I'm also dolphins fan, so this is a cakewalk in comparison; especially since we have some titles and plenty of finals appearances

[KingDavid]

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Sammy, do you (or anyone else) know how much money Giannis could lose if he's traded in the off-season versus being traded by trade deadline?

[Lennyzinho]

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Sammy, do you (or anyone else) know how much money Giannis could lose if he's traded in the off-season versus being traded by trade deadline?

Giannis is eligible to sign a super max worth up to 35% of cap or 4-275M (jfc...)
As opposed to jjst a max or 30% being worth 4-235M

Basically 60M or 70M a year on avg over the course of the contract that will take giannis up to his age 36-37 seaosn.

[KingDavid]

This is potentially a disastrous 5 game road trip coming up. With or without Tyler, just getting 2 wins will be tough. 1-4 is a likely possibility.

The schedule makers were drunk on this one. I dont care who the opponents are. Every game is in a bad spot. B2b, 3 in 4, b2b, 3 in 4.

5 games in 7 nights on the road is just brutal. Only the Utah game looks winnable.

Then its a 1 game homestand (which is basically an extension of the road trip), then its another b2b followed by another 3 in 4. All littered with travel plus a b2b2b with the bulls.

Hello Heat fans! Is this the deadline Miami shocks the world again? (not being sarcastic) I'm seeing the possibility there.

This is actually quite hilarious. Nice to see you pop in AirP.

Crazy-Canuck = Andrew Wiggins fan
AirP. = Jimmy Butler fan

A question for both of you, how do you think your respective favorite players are faring in their new environment on new teams?

[Crazy-Canuck]

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Sammy, do you (or anyone else) know how much money Giannis could lose if he's traded in the off-season versus being traded by trade deadline?

Giannis is eligible to sign a super max worth up to 35% of cap or 4-275M (jfc...)
As opposed to jjst a max or 30% being worth 4-235M

Basically 60M or 70M a year on avg over the course of the contract that will take giannis up to his age 36-37 seaosn.

I think its 35% w/8% raises in both scenarios. 4/350.

If he gets traded now, he gets an extra year of trade kicker (15%). He also wont be able to extend for 6 months or he waits to see if they can build a team then opts out to resign or leaves as a FA.. Its why I don't think teams selling players for draft capital convinces giannis at all. There's a small 6 month to 1 year window for him to make his last bed. Why would he gamble on a depleted team when there are better win now options?

[KingDavid]

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Sammy, do you (or anyone else) know how much money Giannis could lose if he's traded in the off-season versus being traded by trade deadline?

Giannis is eligible to sign a super max worth up to 35% of cap or 4-275M (jfc...)
As opposed to jjst a max or 30% being worth 4-235M

Basically 60M or 70M a year on avg over the course of the contract that will take giannis up to his age 36-37 seaosn.

Oh damn that's quite a lot of money (40M). Thanks for informing me. I'm now not so confident Giannis will leave MIL if he isn't traded by the deadline. I wonder if that's what the bucks are hoping for. This is quite the check/stalemate. Wonder who blinks first...

[dolphinatik]

I think bron to gs is a possibility that would be an amazing last dance for two legends. They would only be missing thier Chris bosh.

[AirP.]

This is potentially a disastrous 5 game road trip coming up. With or without Tyler, just getting 2 wins will be tough. 1-4 is a likely possibility.

The schedule makers were drunk on this one. I dont care who the opponents are. Every game is in a bad spot. B2b, 3 in 4, b2b, 3 in 4.

5 games in 7 nights on the road is just brutal. Only the Utah game looks winnable.

Then its a 1 game homestand (which is basically an extension of the road trip), then its another b2b followed by another 3 in 4. All littered with travel plus a b2b2b with the bulls.

Hello Heat fans! Is this the deadline Miami shocks the world again? (not being sarcastic) I'm seeing the possibility there.

This is actually quite hilarious. Nice to see you pop in AirP.

Crazy-Canuck = Andrew Wiggins fan
AirP. = Jimmy Butler fan

A question for both of you, how do you think your respective favorite players are faring in their new environment on new teams?

Butler currently has his career high in calculated ORTG of 137, he's got 5 30+ point games and 21 20+ points games out of 37. Kerr is building a 2nd offense for GS that is catered for Bulter to be the engine while Curry is out. He's doing around what I expected, being very good into his late 30s.

[KingDavid]

Butler's buddy Errny replied to a GS fan post that had GS possible targets of MPJ, Murphy III, J.Grant and Wiggins and replied... A bigger unknown name that hasn’t been mentioned…

This got me looking around at who might have a bigger name possibly moving.
Let me walk you through my thought process, I went through a few teams and then came up with this...

Milwaukee
- They're bad and can't contend with Giannis this year and probably the next few years.
- Even if they traded Giannis they can't tank, they've given out way too many swaps, the next 2 years for sure.
- They need talent and draft assets.

Memphis
- We know Morant doesn't want to be there unless he's in charge and that would be very dangerous for Memphis.
- They just moved Bane for picks this summer.
- If they move Ja they'd like some type of asset for Ja and just get some expiring's.

Miami
- Star hunting or maybe not.

Golden State
- Need size
- Wants to have a shot in the West

How do we make everyone happy?
1. Have to convince Milwaukee to trade Giannis and still be ok with upside and draft assets, basically overwhelm them.
2. Memphis needs to move Ja, wants something for him and to get off money, might have to entice them just a bit.
3. Miami wants impact players/stars.
4. Golden state needs size.

So, let's start with Miami.
-> Bam, Herro, Rozier and K.Johnson (Larrson and Jakučionis but I doubt you'd move either before Johnson). Of course draft assets to, some to Milwaukee, maybe 1 to Memphis.
<- Giannis, Ja, Thanasis and one of Memphis' near minimum salaries.
Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

Basically, Bam is too old for a Milwaukee rebuild on the run, but Herro isn't, so you need more picks and the need to free up space. Basically, GS would be trading 2-3 1sts, maybe a swap or 2, Kuminga and Moody to help overwhelm Milwaukee. Not many teams can send Milwaukee this much of a package where they aren't completely terrible while not owning their own picks/swaps.

Milwaukee...
-> Giannis, Thanasis, G.Harris
<- Herro, Kuminga and Moody (plus 4-6 1st or swaps)
They get some youth, some potential and picks, some from Miami, some from GS.

GS
-> Kuminga, Moody, Hield and 2-3 1sts and possibly a swap or 2.
<- Bam, G.Harris, K.Johnson
Starters... Curry, Melton, Butler, Green, Bam
Bench... Podz, Richard, GP2, Post, Horford
They'd need to find a backup wing somehow.

Memphis...
-> Ja, near minimum guy
<- Rozier, Hield (both expiring although it cost 3 mil to buy Hield out next year) and some draft compensation from Miami and/or GS.

So, the trade would look like this (just did the player movement, not the draft assets) ...
* There is some wiggle room to make changes to the lower salary players, not much room but some.

Spoiler:

This'll have me rooting for both except when we play each other that's a big shift, but I don't know if Giannis would be interested in coming here without Bam being on the roster, Ja or not. If I correctly understood Crazy-Canuck, we could trade for Giannis now but if he doesn't like what he sees, he can still opt out for free agency? If so, that's a monumental risk.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Butler's buddy Errny replied to a GS fan post that had GS possible targets of MPJ, Murphy III, J.Grant and Wiggins and replied... A bigger unknown name that hasn’t been mentioned…

This got me looking around at who might have a bigger name possibly moving.
Let me walk you through my thought process, I went through a few teams and then came up with this...

Milwaukee
- They're bad and can't contend with Giannis this year and probably the next few years.
- Even if they traded Giannis they can't tank, they've given out way too many swaps, the next 2 years for sure.
- They need talent and draft assets.

Memphis
- We know Morant doesn't want to be there unless he's in charge and that would be very dangerous for Memphis.
- They just moved Bane for picks this summer.
- If they move Ja they'd like some type of asset for Ja and just get some expiring's.

Miami
- Star hunting or maybe not.

Golden State
- Need size
- Wants to have a shot in the West

How do we make everyone happy?
1. Have to convince Milwaukee to trade Giannis and still be ok with upside and draft assets, basically overwhelm them.
2. Memphis needs to move Ja, wants something for him and to get off money, might have to entice them just a bit.
3. Miami wants impact players/stars.
4. Golden state needs size.

So, let's start with Miami.
-> Bam, Herro, Rozier and K.Johnson (Larrson and Jakučionis but I doubt you'd move either before Johnson). Of course draft assets to, some to Milwaukee, maybe 1 to Memphis.
<- Giannis, Ja, Thanasis and one of Memphis' near minimum salaries.
Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

Basically, Bam is too old for a Milwaukee rebuild on the run, but Herro isn't, so you need more picks and the need to free up space. Basically, GS would be trading 2-3 1sts, maybe a swap or 2, Kuminga and Moody to help overwhelm Milwaukee. Not many teams can send Milwaukee this much of a package where they aren't completely terrible while not owning their own picks/swaps.

Milwaukee...
-> Giannis, Thanasis, G.Harris
<- Herro, Kuminga and Moody (plus 4-6 1st or swaps)
They get some youth, some potential and picks, some from Miami, some from GS.

GS
-> Kuminga, Moody, Hield and 2-3 1sts and possibly a swap or 2.
<- Bam, G.Harris, K.Johnson
Starters... Curry, Melton, Butler, Green, Bam
Bench... Podz, Richard, GP2, Post, Horford
They'd need to find a backup wing somehow.

Memphis...
-> Ja, near minimum guy
<- Rozier, Hield (both expiring although it cost 3 mil to buy Hield out next year) and some draft compensation from Miami and/or GS.

So, the trade would look like this (just did the player movement, not the draft assets) ...
* There is some wiggle room to make changes to the lower salary players, not much room but some.

Spoiler:

This'll have me rooting for both except when we play each other that's a big shift, but I don't know if Giannis would be interested in coming here without Bam being on the roster, Ja or not. If I correctly understood Crazy-Canuck, we could trade for Giannis now but if he doesn't like what he sees, he can still opt out for free agency? If so, that's a monumental risk.

How is he not going to like what he sees, especially if the alternative is staying with Milwaukee's roster, their bad draft assets and Lillard's 22.5 mil dead money eating into the cap until 2030, it looks possible for Miami to have...

Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

That's up there for one of the strongest playoff rotations in the league although you'd need Ware to gain Spoelstra's trust.

[KingDavid]

Spoiler:

Butler's buddy Errny replied to a GS fan post that had GS possible targets of MPJ, Murphy III, J.Grant and Wiggins and replied... A bigger unknown name that hasn’t been mentioned…

This got me looking around at who might have a bigger name possibly moving.
Let me walk you through my thought process, I went through a few teams and then came up with this...

Milwaukee
- They're bad and can't contend with Giannis this year and probably the next few years.
- Even if they traded Giannis they can't tank, they've given out way too many swaps, the next 2 years for sure.
- They need talent and draft assets.

Memphis
- We know Morant doesn't want to be there unless he's in charge and that would be very dangerous for Memphis.
- They just moved Bane for picks this summer.
- If they move Ja they'd like some type of asset for Ja and just get some expiring's.

Miami
- Star hunting or maybe not.

Golden State
- Need size
- Wants to have a shot in the West

How do we make everyone happy?
1. Have to convince Milwaukee to trade Giannis and still be ok with upside and draft assets, basically overwhelm them.
2. Memphis needs to move Ja, wants something for him and to get off money, might have to entice them just a bit.
3. Miami wants impact players/stars.
4. Golden state needs size.

So, let's start with Miami.
-> Bam, Herro, Rozier and K.Johnson (Larrson and Jakučionis but I doubt you'd move either before Johnson). Of course draft assets to, some to Milwaukee, maybe 1 to Memphis.
<- Giannis, Ja, Thanasis and one of Memphis' near minimum salaries.
Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

Basically, Bam is too old for a Milwaukee rebuild on the run, but Herro isn't, so you need more picks and the need to free up space. Basically, GS would be trading 2-3 1sts, maybe a swap or 2, Kuminga and Moody to help overwhelm Milwaukee. Not many teams can send Milwaukee this much of a package where they aren't completely terrible while not owning their own picks/swaps.

Milwaukee...
-> Giannis, Thanasis, G.Harris
<- Herro, Kuminga and Moody (plus 4-6 1st or swaps)
They get some youth, some potential and picks, some from Miami, some from GS.

GS
-> Kuminga, Moody, Hield and 2-3 1sts and possibly a swap or 2.
<- Bam, G.Harris, K.Johnson
Starters... Curry, Melton, Butler, Green, Bam
Bench... Podz, Richard, GP2, Post, Horford
They'd need to find a backup wing somehow.

Memphis...
-> Ja, near minimum guy
<- Rozier, Hield (both expiring although it cost 3 mil to buy Hield out next year) and some draft compensation from Miami and/or GS.

So, the trade would look like this (just did the player movement, not the draft assets) ...
* There is some wiggle room to make changes to the lower salary players, not much room but some.

Spoiler:

This'll have me rooting for both except when we play each other that's a big shift, but I don't know if Giannis would be interested in coming here without Bam being on the roster, Ja or not. If I correctly understood Crazy-Canuck, we could trade for Giannis now but if he doesn't like what he sees, he can still opt out for free agency? If so, that's a monumental risk.

How is he not going to like what he sees, it looks possible for Miami to have...

Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

That's up there for one of the strongest playoff rotations in the league although you'd need Ware to gain Spoelstra's trust.

The way Spo has been coaching; Ware would have to come off the bench, Giannis would have to start at center, Jovic has been absolutely atrocious, Wiggins slides to the 4 and Larsson takes his place.

Ja/KJ/Smith
Powell/Mitchell/Gardner
Larsson/3J
Wiggins/Jovic/Fonteccio
Giannis/Ware

....know what, that's actually not bad to me. Starting wing defense is a little troubling, but the firepower is there. Milwaukee gets a trove of picks + hometown Herro leading the tank (or trade Herro + whoever for more picks) and Kuminga getting away from Kerr.

[AirP.]

This'll have me rooting for both except when we play each other that's a big shift, but I don't know if Giannis would be interested in coming here without Bam being on the roster, Ja or not. If I correctly understood Crazy-Canuck, we could trade for Giannis now but if he doesn't like what he sees, he can still opt out for free agency? If so, that's a monumental risk.

How is he not going to like what he sees, it looks possible for Miami to have...

Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

That's up there for one of the strongest playoff rotations in the league although you'd need Ware to gain Spoelstra's trust.

The way Spo has been coaching; Ware would have to come off the bench, Giannis would have to start at center, Jovic has been absolutely atrocious, Wiggins slides to the 4 and Larsson takes his place.

Ja/KJ/Smith
Powell/Mitchell/Gardner
Larsson/3J
Wiggins/Jovic/Fonteccio
Giannis/Ware

....know what, that's actually not bad to me. Starting wing defense is a little troubling, but the firepower is there. Milwaukee gets a trove of picks + hometown Herro leading the tank (or trade Herro + whoever for more picks).

It seemed like everyone was getting what they wanted. The issue was Bam moving but if Miami doesn't make any big moves in the next 18 months, the FO may end up putting 30-year-old Bam on the market, right now, Miami is basically wasting Bam's prime vs keep building, it's another reason I hated seeing Miami draft 1st rounders vs go all in on another really good player, even if Butler left. You did get Powell handed to you for basically nothing though.

What's not odd to me anymore... Ja's out there on a huge discount and Miami's FO may just say no thanks we're going after Giannis (who's going to sign that supermax and then possibly get traded a year later). It almost feels like the FO just chases big named players they can't get just to keep some of the fanbase excited.

[Crazy-Canuck]

How is he not going to like what he sees, it looks possible for Miami to have...

Starters... Ja, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Ware
Bench... Mitchell, Jaquez Jr, Larrson, Jakucionis, Jovic, Smith.

That's up there for one of the strongest playoff rotations in the league although you'd need Ware to gain Spoelstra's trust.

The way Spo has been coaching; Ware would have to come off the bench, Giannis would have to start at center, Jovic has been absolutely atrocious, Wiggins slides to the 4 and Larsson takes his place.

Ja/KJ/Smith
Powell/Mitchell/Gardner
Larsson/3J
Wiggins/Jovic/Fonteccio
Giannis/Ware

....know what, that's actually not bad to me. Starting wing defense is a little troubling, but the firepower is there. Milwaukee gets a trove of picks + hometown Herro leading the tank (or trade Herro + whoever for more picks).

It seemed like everyone was getting what they wanted. The issue was Bam moving but if Miami doesn't make any big moves in the next 18 months, the FO may end up putting 30-year-old Bam on the market, right now, Miami is basically wasting Bam's prime vs keep building, it's another reason I hated seeing Miami draft 1st rounders vs go all in on another really good player, even if Butler left. You did get Powell handed to you for basically nothing though.

What's not odd to me anymore... Ja's out there on a huge discount and Miami's FO may just say no thanks we're going after Giannis (who's going to sign that supermax and then possibly get traded a year later). It almost feels like the FO just chases big named players they can't get just to keep some of the fanbase excited.

If the bucks are good with herro, why wouldnt miami just take giannis and keep bam?

You have the bucks getting herro, kuminga, moody, + 4-6 picks/swaps.

Miami could give herro + ware (better than kuminga and moody combined) + jovic + 4-6 picks and swaps.

Miami gets ja for rozier+fontecchio instead of rozier + heild.(pure expirings either way)

Ja+powell+wiggins+giannis+bam is alot stronger and the outgoing assets for miami stays the same.