The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

Post #721 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 1:51 pm

No way I'd give up Beasley and Haslem for Aldridge, and I like Aldridge. That's just too much to give and not enough return...

Post #722 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:01 pm

not to mention for a 2009 draft pick, not even a 2008 when they are going to be in the lottery. 2009 they could be in the playoffs.

Post #723 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:01 pm

The Blazers are confident that in the coming years Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge can carry the offense, and that Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla will provide interior defense. But they are unsure whether they have a perimeter defender who can contain the likes of Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady and Carmelo Anthony.

"We gotta get that guy," McMillan said. "And if we don't develop it from within, then we have to go out and get it.

A post from the Oregonian that supports my trade idea

Post #724 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:06 pm

so how do they get our guy without giving up any of their 3 best players? Don;t tell me a combination of Channing Frye, Jarrett Jack & Steve Blake.

We're not looking to be the Grizzlies or Hawks with perpetually young teams with a ton of cap space, Riley is looking to be the Celtics next year, realistic or not.

Post #725 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:08 pm

Lane1974 wrote:so how do they get our guy without giving up any of their 3 best players? Don;t tell me a combination of Channing Frye, Jarrett Jack & Steve Blake.

We're not looking to be the Grizzlies or Hawks with perpetually young teams with a ton of cap space, Riley is looking to be the Celtics next year, realistic or not.

Precisely.

I would not shock me to see our team deal the pick, but it won't be to get another young player. We'll hang onto Marion and attempt to pry a great player away from someone...

Post #726 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:11 pm

Who's available that would allow us to be the Celtics of next year? Who would be worth the 1st pick in the draft if we get it? Thinking that Riley is going to pass the pick on to some lucky team just to get a veteran is a little tired and routine.

Post #727 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:32 pm

I dont think he trades the #1 or #2, just like the Celtics wouldn't have traded Oden or Durant for Ray Allen.

But to think Riley doesn't TRY either on draft night or during the season to get a super vet is being naive, whether you think it's tired or routine or not.

The thing is, -we- don't know who is available, but we have to assume -they- do. No one had a clue Pau was going to be traded until he was. And certainly not to LA. Teams have different agendas and situations, whether we know them or not.

Post #728 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:37 pm

Anybody is going to TRY. We're not missing the basics of NBA theory here. Who is available worth giving up the third pick in the draft for? What player who is going to vault us to the Celtics' level is available with the third pick?

Post #729 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:39 pm

Lane1974 wrote:I dont think he trades the #1 or #2, just like the Celtics wouldn't have traded Oden or Durant for Ray Allen.

But to think Riley doesn't TRY either on draft night or during the season to get a super vet is being naive, whether you think it's tired or routine or not.

The thing is, -we- don't know who is available, but we have to assume -they- do. No one had a clue Pau was going to be traded until he was. And certainly not to LA. Teams have different agendas and situations, whether we know them or not.

DING DING DING! We have a winner! Bob, tell him what he's won!

Seriously, that pick is without a doubt trade bait, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we traded out of the number 1 pick in this draft. Of course, it would have to be something very special, but it wouldn't shock me.

Riley is very definitely looking to make something big happen this offseason, then fill in around Wade, Marion, and our newest acquisition using the MLE, LLE, and the veteran minimum. No one outside of Wade and Marion is safe. Everyone here needs to get used to that fact...

Post #730 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:41 pm

If you're willing to get rid of the #1 pick then you certainly can't say that Marion is safe....

Post #731 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:41 pm

I don't think Marion is safe
Wade is the only off limits one

Post #732 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:48 pm

Knowing Riley it wouldn't surprise me if he went after someone for a possible top three pick. I just don't see anyone available worth that pick.

This is a strong draft if a lot of the prospects declare. Remember that before Marion was what he is today that he was a 9th pick. You don't have to have a top 2 pick to have a player.

I just see the long term benefits would be higher if we tried to get a few more younger prospects. Riley has some regret for building a team with such a small window for success-concerning the Shaq years. He could decide to build a team with a ten year plan instead of such a small one.

Post #733 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:56 pm

DayofMourning wrote:If you're willing to get rid of the #1 pick then you certainly can't say that Marion is safe....

This is why he's safe - he's an expiring contract. Unless LA is willing to deal Brand, or a similar deal pops up (and I don't see that as at all likely) then Marion isn't going to be moved.

Post #734 » by **BFRESH44** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:57 pm

Riley would not trade the number 1 or 2 pick.

There's no feasible scenario(with what's truly out there) where he would do that. I promise. What big out(because that's certainly where Riles is looking at) there outside of Jermaine O'Neal(he sucks) can truly be had?

Only suprise guy who might be available is Emeka Okafor. And I don't think I'd swap Rose or Beasley for him...As a matter fact I won't.

Post #735 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:57 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:Riley would not trade the number 1 or 2 pick.

There's no feasible scenario(with what's truly out there) where he would do that. I promise. What big out(because that's certainly where Riles is looking at) there outside of Jermaine O'Neal(he sucks) can truly be had?

Only suprise guy who might be available is Emeka Okafor. And I don't think I'd swap Rose or Beasley for him...As a matter fact I won't.

BS.

No one expected Garnett to get traded, yet he did. It's all on the table, trust me...

Post #736 » by **BFRESH44** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 3:07 pm

First of all, Garnett was traded indeed.

And guess what? They're are no more Garnetts at the momment.

What player that will be available this off-season that's even close to the player that is of Kevin Garnett's caliber of player and shared the same team situation(star forward/center on a sucky team team)?

I mean Pau Gasol already got traded...And Elton Brand and the Clipps currently seem to be on very good terms...

Houston going to let loose of Yao Ming(when hell freezes over)?

Marc Cuban going to trade his loverboy Dirk?

Like I said, there's really no feasible situation. Just having a 'common sense' mindset here.

miamiballer · Post #737 » by **miamiballer** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 3:08 pm

what i dont understand is why cap in 09 is so imp. when brand is the only one who is worth more than marion in FA that yr...there is a good chance that brand will resign w/ lac...it just seems like we are putting all our eggs on brand

as for trading our pick, 1 and 2 are untouchable IMO unless the incoming player is a young superstar

id consider trading 3 or 4

would you do blount, haslem, banks, # 3-4 to ind for O'neal

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o'neal
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FA(JCN?)

Post #738 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 3:09 pm

Can we stop with the "trust me" "I assure you" stuff? You know as little as the rest of us. You have no inside knowledge of the organization. These words really look silly coming from a poster on a message board.

Pau was rumored to be leaving in an obvious cap cut for Memphis. Garnett had been rumored to be leaving for a couple years. It was even more obvious.

You continue to say just letting Marion's contract expire with nothing in return for a commodity is the best idea. I don't think any NBA GM would consider that. My proposed trade gets us two prospects and a 12.2 expiring contract at the same time as Marion's. That's beyond good enough.

Post #739 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 3:14 pm

Pau was a complete surprise to the league, and there was no further "salary purge" from the Grizz, we tried to get Miller and Cardinal for expirings and they didn't do any further moves.

I agree with you though, no one knows whats going to happen, but Riley's comments have all been geared towards a major seismic shift for next year. He threw away Caron and Lamar when he had the chance to get Shaq and a title. He will try to hit a home run again, whether he CAN is another story.

Post #740 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 3:27 pm

I think that the majority vote was that Shaq for Caron and Lamar was a win for the Heat at that time. Caron hadn't proven anything at the time (now is he definitely solid) and Lamar wasn't considered elite. Shaq was.

As far as Memphis' purge, they will have a ton of money in the offseason of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, etc. Add a shooter like Miller to that and you have a great chance at success. Not saying that it is any possibility, but Orlando pulled off a coup of similar proportions in landing McGrady and Hill. I'm thinking that may be in their plans.