Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[AirP.]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

I'm posting a bit about Wood because he is intriguing as hell, while also being a unique circumstance that promising young talent on an upward trajectory is an UFA. That's not common.

But, don't get me wrong. I'm still iffy on him. A lot of uncertainty and it can easily become cost prohibitive. He's just one of the more intriguing options and if he's legit it's a damn good fit.

Detroit won't be letting Woods go without offering him more money then Miami would consider giving him, outside of B.Griffin, Detroit doesn't have anyone who will make more then 12.2 million on their roster for next season and they need to get/keep as much younger talent/assets as they can get. Not sure why anyone thinks Woods won't look for basically the most money he can get especially with him being 25 now and only have made 2-5 million for his career. If you're a possible Finals team next year and beyond, you're not going to risk that type of money on a guy who put up big numbers for PART of a season on a bad team.

Also, Detroit felt comfortable moving forward with Woods that they decided to move Drummond and once they did he took off like they expected.

[RexBoyWonder]

I Was listening to Bobby Marks and he's arguing that the market for free agents is extremally dead this offseason.

Most good teams don't have much cap space if any, and with the lower cap and revenue issues a lot of teams are not expected to spend big money.

This means some players are expected to settle on much lower salaries then you would think, and some will be willing to take 1 year deals, which they wouldn't have considered in a normal offseason.

So I'm Hopeful Gallinari or Ibaka are 2 of those free agents. 1 of them is probably the biggest upgrade we can make this offseason.

[RexBoyWonder]

Also looked Into Dipo with more depth then I ever had, And got to say I'm not as high on him as I once was.

He's a good player but Doubt he ever plays good enough to be an all-star again. He had that one very good year (Not amazing year), but overall he's more in the "above average" range then the "fringe allstar" range IMO. Unless of course we can somehow help him make a jump and take his game to another level, which is unlikely at his age. His finishing somewhat disappointed me, He's not really a great shooter either, nor elite defensively. He's solid, but not expecting him to take a team over the hump.

I would not want to trade Nunn + #20 pick + filler for him. I wouldn't want to give him max money either. He's a guy you sign in free agency IF the price is right, not a guy you give up assets to get 1 year earlier. He's not that great or proven (or healthy).

[twix2500]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

The reason I'm not interested in Woods is because I'm more interested in KZ who would play the same role.

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KZ isn't a center tho. Woods is a modern flex big (PF/C). KZ is a modern flex forward (SF/PF). We can use them both IMO.

There's no track record of KZ as a rim runner or PnR roll-man. There's no track record of KZ as a rim protector or defender of big men.

For me, KZ's projected role is what DJJ was filling, but with more upside

I actually believe we will see KZ play center at times (remember this is a coach who played Winslow at center. Not his primary minutes which I believe will be at PF. He has noticeably bulked up combine with his length and being 6'9 6'10. I see him being a defensive version of Antoine Walker. He is going to be a decent rebounder, he will contest shots with his length. Someone may correct me but I think in g-league they had him at center at times.

[RonaldSeikaly]

For today I'm really starting to like the idea of Josh Richardson reunion. If he can be had for Nunn + KO/Iggy....letting us keep our 1st.

Resign Jae & Goran. Draft an offensive focused player (Maxey if he slips to us). Sign Baynes. Maybe add in Cousins with an incentive laden deal near the minimum, or bring back Leonard on at a big discount.

So we'd have a typical lineup of:

Robinson/Okapala
Richardson/Crowder
Butler/Maxey
Adebayo/Baynes
Herro/Dragic

and it gives us plenty of depth to go big, shifting Baynes to the starting lineup and having some mix of Silva/Alexander, or Cousins/Leonard as their backups.

[AirP.]

Also looked Into Dipo with more depth then I ever had, And got to say I'm not as high on him as I once was.

He's a good player but Doubt he ever plays good enough to be an all-star again. He had that one very good year (Not amazing year), but overall he's more in the "above average" range then the "fringe allstar" range IMO. Unless of course we can somehow help him make a jump and take his game to another level, which is unlikely at his age. His finishing somewhat disappointed me, He's not really a great shooter either, nor elite defensively. He's solid, but not expecting him to take a team over the hump.

I would not want to trade Nunn + #20 pick + filler for him. I wouldn't want to give him max money either. He's a guy you sign in free agency IF the price is right, not a guy you give up assets to get 1 year earlier. He's not that great or proven (or healthy).

I do that trade in an instant for Oladipo(I don't consider those assets worth all that much), worst case scenario he flames out and you let him go and have cap space, the upside, you found the long term player to run the offense through. If Miami had Oladipo instead of Nunn this year Miami may have won the finals.

If this team found a way to keep Butler, Bam, Robinson, Herro and also resign Dragic and somehow add Oladipo and maybe Gallo(sign and trade if need be), that's a championship quality core for the next 2-3 years. All Miami would have to do is get the right type of low costing roleplayers with one of those being a backup defensive big so when Bam is off the court it's not nearly as big of a problem.

[MHeat0279]

For today I'm really starting to like the idea of Josh Richardson reunion. If he can be had for Nunn + KO/Iggy....letting us keep our 1st.

Resign Jae & Goran. Draft an offensive focused player (Maxey if he slips to us). Sign Baynes. Maybe add in Cousins with an incentive laden deal near the minimum, or bring back Leonard on at a big discount.

So we'd have a typical lineup of:

Robinson/Okapala
Richardson/Crowder
Butler/Maxey
Adebayo/Baynes
Herro/Dragic

and it gives us plenty of depth to go big, shifting Baynes to the starting lineup and having some mix of Silva/Alexander, or Cousins/Leonard as their backups.

please no Josh again, still get nightmares from him dribbling the ball off his foot and out of bounds time and time again, glad we got rid of him and winslow as well.

[Kobewade11]

For today I'm really starting to like the idea of Josh Richardson reunion. If he can be had for Nunn + KO/Iggy....letting us keep our 1st.

Resign Jae & Goran. Draft an offensive focused player (Maxey if he slips to us). Sign Baynes. Maybe add in Cousins with an incentive laden deal near the minimum, or bring back Leonard on at a big discount.

So we'd have a typical lineup of:

Robinson/Okapala
Richardson/Crowder
Butler/Maxey
Adebayo/Baynes
Herro/Dragic

and it gives us plenty of depth to go big, shifting Baynes to the starting lineup and having some mix of Silva/Alexander, or Cousins/Leonard as their backups.

Nunn and KO is way too much for J-Rich. And that lineup is pretty bad, I mean really bad. 3 toothpicks, Jimmy, and Bam. Doesn't do anything to solve one of our biggest problems which is size in the front court and Jimmy is the only real creator.

[3ballbomber]

So we'd have a typical lineup of:

Robinson/Okapala
Richardson/Crowder
Butler/Maxey
Adebayo/Baynes
Herro/Dragic

watch out league, we got Jrich & Baynes

[puppa bear]

Serious question: who would you be willing to forgo the 2021 FA plan for? What player(s) would you deal a package of 20th/future 1st/Nunn/KO/Iggy + Herro or Duncan for?

If we could get Harden in a trade for all of the above, would a core of Harden/Jimmy/Bam with resigning Dragic/Jae/Leonard and adding a MLE player be enough to go back to the Finals? Is there another player you would give that package up for?

[3ballbomber]

Serious question: who would you be willing to forgo the 2021 FA plan for? What player(s) would you deal a package of 20th/future 1st/Nunn/KO/Iggy + Herro or Duncan for?

If we could get Harden in a trade for all of the above, would a core of Harden/Jimmy/Bam with resigning Dragic/Jae/Leonard and adding a MLE player be enough to go back to the Finals? Is there another player you would give that package up for?

None of them.

Miami are the antithesis of Houston. Harden is a big part of that iso-dominant system. Harden enjoys losing as long he's showboating his fancy moves, putting up big #'s while giving a damn about defense. If nobody throws him a clue he'll continue to be a career loser following in Carmelo's footsteps. His style just doesn't work.

[Bishop45]

Harden or Giannas or any top 5/6 players are going to take at least Herro/Bam to compete for in trade if we're being realistic.

I'd do it for Harden without thinking tho, tbh. Harden/Butler/Robinson could compete with any trio imo. A large part of the basketball biosphere will call him a loser and champion Giannas even tho Yanni's lost to lesser teams for a majority of his playoff career and Harden has gone farther against greater competition with lesser support.

[Wiltside]

A trio of Harden/Bam/Butler absolutely competes. Particularly if we keep Duncan too.

We’d wreck the East with that trio.

[RexBoyWonder]

The reason I'm not interested in Woods is because I'm more interested in KZ who would play the same role.

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KZ isn't a center tho. Woods is a modern flex big (PF/C). KZ is a modern flex forward (SF/PF). We can use them both IMO.

There's no track record of KZ as a rim runner or PnR roll-man. There's no track record of KZ as a rim protector or defender of big men.

For me, KZ's projected role is what DJJ was filling, but with more upside

I actually believe we will see KZ play center at times (remember this is a coach who played Winslow at center. Not his primary minutes which I believe will be at PF. He has noticeably bulked up combine with his length and being 6'9 6'10. I see him being a defensive version of Antoine Walker. He is going to be a decent rebounder, he will contest shots with his length. Someone may correct me but I think in g-league they had him at center at times.

He didn't really play C before, and that's not really his skillset either.

BUT, he's undoubtedly growing and getting stronger, so in todays league, who knows. He's a little smaller then Bam still, Long term I think He's a 3/4 that might give a few minutes at C in supersmall linesups.

[RexBoyWonder]

Serious question: who would you be willing to forgo the 2021 FA plan for? What player(s) would you deal a package of 20th/future 1st/Nunn/KO/Iggy + Herro or Duncan for?

If we could get Harden in a trade for all of the above, would a core of Harden/Jimmy/Bam with resigning Dragic/Jae/Leonard and adding a MLE player be enough to go back to the Finals? Is there another player you would give that package up for?

In term of talent/value - No doubt Harden is worth it. But I really hate Harden's fit here.

He's not what we need, a extremely high usage scorer with suspect defense and chocking tendencies. He's getting up there in age too.

We need a younger, more team oriented, move the ball type guy. Harden would really kill our equal opportunity flowing offense.

I really don't want to move Herro or Duncan, but that's partly because I'm a homer about them.

The players I would agree to trade them for in that package are unattainable -

Donovan Mitchell
Jayson Tatum
Ja Morant
Devin Booker
Maybe Bradley Beal
Maybe B.Ingram


As long as we can add Giannis without giving up any assets, It's very hard to agree on a trade involving Herro/Duncan.

[Dc__20]

In other news Miami is 7th on BR power rankings... lol!

[wadeskywalker]

In other news Miami is 7th on BR power rankings... lol!

Ridiculous

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[MartyCONLONNN]

So how bad exactly is Wood's personality bc it's really difficult to understand why a 25 year old player who is a mobile athletic center who can spread the floor isn't more sought after.

Looks like the type of talent that's right in Miami's developmental wheelhouse.

[Bishop45]

How's Harden a worse fit than Giannis?

Giannis is literally the only player in the league with a higher usage rate than Harden and he cain't shoot. Giannas almost lost 4 straight games in the playoffs, back-to-back, to lesser teams-- but he's not a choker. If one of those top 6 players were gonna "disrupt our offense"...

[twix2500]

How's Harden a worse fit than Giannis?

Giannis is literally the only player in the league with a higher usage rate than Harden and he cain't shoot. Giannas almost lost 4 straight games in the playoffs, back-to-back, to lesser teams-- but he's not a choker. If one of those top 6 players were gonna "disrupt our offense"...

I'm with Bishop on this. If the Heat can get Harden you get him. Harden, Butler and Bam is a 2 times title trio.

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