Hallstar wrote:Flash4thewin wrote:twix2500 wrote:Young players have to go through a learning process in the playoffs regardless how talented they are. Because they are see tactics used against them they never seen before by highly experienced veterans.
I'm rooting for Mitchell but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Mitchell is 24 years old, its just the second round. His contract kick in next season. Your asking a young player to figure it all out to be a title contending level player on his rookie deal.
Like most greats Mitchell likely will fail a few more times before he wins a chip. Look how long it took Embiid and Simmons failing in the playoffs. They had to be lead by a prime Butler because they were too immature. When they get 25 and older thats when they take over the league 27 to 32 being their prime.
I agree you need some players to play better than their salary. But to do it with rookie contract players its extremely difficult. That means you have to draft players who need little development (non-projects), be a playoff team to gain him playoff experience, if you are playoff Team now your drafting in the second half of the draft.
That formula is extremely difficult. You know a team who tries to build through the draft to win are the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Charlotte Hornets. Roster full of inexperienced players is why they flop.
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I feel like we are looking at extremes here. The Bulls and Spurs built via the draft and became dynasties. But they only became great because they drafted generational talent. Before Wade we where nothing. We got Wade via the draft. Those teams lead by Timmy and Zo today would get ripped today as beta players who shrink in the moment, think PG-13 last playoffs of Butler these playoffs. That’s how the Knicks owned us in the playoff. Everything changed via the draft for us. We got lucky and picked Wade when a top person wanted to pick Kaman because he wanted to win and felts with Kaman, Eddie Jones , Brian Grant and change we where a championship team. Thank goodness he changed his mind. Basically all roads to greatness start from the draft, something we have actively tried to avoid.
The only recent example of a team bypassing the draft and winning would be the Lakers last year and possibly the Nets this year if they win a ring. What makes them stand out is location location location. One is the LA market, the other is the Eastcoast market. That means stop trading draft picks like they are tic tacs and develop them, with actual playing time. Sure you lose more games but you build up experience and the players value is built up to trade for future X disgruntled star player.
And even the Lakers had high picks/high upside players in Ingram and Zo to package. They weren't trying to convince people that some undrafted guys had next.
Age and free agency is a huge difference maker compared to teams mid 2000s and earlier. Player movement was not as rapid and players were not being drafted as young in the 90s. Players were being drafted as more well fundamentally round men.
Only teams in recent history that primarily built their title teams through the draft was Warriors and Spurs. Drafting one generational player and rest free agents or trade pieces is not building through the draft. Ginolbi didnt contribute to the Spurs until four freaking years after being drafted. He was already 25 years old. Tim Duncan was a four year college player number one pick of the draft, who was playing next to a hall of famer in David Robinson. Tim Duncan was already a 5 year vet with a title when Parker came along. 10 years later they trade for Leonard and joined old Parker, Gilnobli and Duncan.
Lakers traded for Kobe, traded for Shaq. Signed Lebron, traded for Davis, Gasol, Odom, Artest, drafted Bynum.
Dirk was their one generational player built around veterans free agents and trade pieces some HOFers.
Rex wants to have multiple players on rookie deals contributing on a title team. That is tremendously hard, in which the Heat had last year but all of you are unsatisfied with that. Now you are complaining that two were undrafted. You are trying to build a contending team in small window with players on rookie deals. Which is confusing when Rex say think long term. Long term is when players are not on rookie deals.
