Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[IggieCC]

Anyone gonna OP? Ya’ll got an hour, then the reign of HFL starts anew.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sap is done. I’d pass on him

I wouldn’t be shocked if we made a move for Wood before the deadline. 2 lightly protected 1sts, Robinson, and Gabe? Hmm

That seems to be the package we need and opens the roster spot for Dragic post trade & buyout. Let’s be real, Vincent as solid as he’s been was not going to play over a healthy Dipo and Dragic after he signs

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[RexBoyWonder]

The way Bam and Lowry are looking this year, I say **** it - roll the dice on Chritian Wood.

Id Offer Duncan + Yurtseven + 1 future (lottery protected) FRP.
2 picks is big overpay IMO but if it's the only way..**** it. might as well go for it now.

Bam isn't looking like a second/third option on a championship team.
Lowry isn't either and will only score less the next 2 seasons.
Herro and Jimmy have their limitations. Jimmy can't shoot from outside and Herro isn't athletic/developed enough to be a leading scorer against playoff defenses.

Wood is big, young, versatile, and can put points up with decent efficiency. Might as well gamble on him and hope the defense and mental parts improve in our system.

Lowry/Vincent
Herro/Dipo
Jimmy/Strus
Wood/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Wood adds size, rebounding, rim protection, consistent versatile scoring.

We're all in anyway, so let's push all the chips in.

[Wiltside]

The way Bam and Lowry are looking this year, I say **** it - roll the dice on Chritian Wood.

Id Offer Duncan + Yurtseven + 1 future (lottery protected) FRP.
2 picks is big overpay IMO but if it's the only way..**** it. might as well go for it now.

Bam isn't looking like a second/third option on a championship team.
Lowry isn't either and will only score less the next 2 seasons.
Herro and Jimmy have their limitations. Jimmy can't shoot from outside and Herro isn't athletic/developed enough to be a leading scorer against playoff defenses.

Wood is big, young, versatile, and can put points up with decent efficiency. Might as well gamble on him and hope the defense and mental parts improve in our system.

Lowry/Vincent
Herro/Dipo
Jimmy/Strus
Wood/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Wood adds size, rebounding, rim protection, consistent versatile scoring.

We're all in anyway, so let's push all the chips in.

I’m coming around Rex. It may spectacularly blow up in our face, or it could be our Rasheed Wallace trade. Given Bam refuses to be an alpha on offense, Atleast we know Wood is willing and able to shoot.

[puppa bear]

The way Bam and Lowry are looking this year, I say **** it - roll the dice on Chritian Wood.

Id Offer Duncan + Yurtseven + 1 future (lottery protected) FRP.
2 picks is big overpay IMO but if it's the only way..**** it. might as well go for it now.

Bam isn't looking like a second/third option on a championship team.
Lowry isn't either and will only score less the next 2 seasons.
Herro and Jimmy have their limitations. Jimmy can't shoot from outside and Herro isn't athletic/developed enough to be a leading scorer against playoff defenses.

Wood is big, young, versatile, and can put points up with decent efficiency. Might as well gamble on him and hope the defense and mental parts improve in our system.

Lowry/Vincent
Herro/Dipo
Jimmy/Strus
Wood/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Wood adds size, rebounding, rim protection, consistent versatile scoring.

We're all in anyway, so let's push all the chips in.

I’m coming around Rex. It may spectacularly blow up in our face, or it could be our Rasheed Wallace trade. Given Bam refuses to be an alpha on offense, Atleast we know Wood is willing and able to shoot.

I’ve been wondering who could be our Sheed trade. We’re set up pretty similarly to the Pistons, just missing that one piece that fits and pushes us up another bracket.

Woods could fit well, and if everything clicks it might end up a home run.

I’m not sold, but there’s worse moves (including none) that could happen.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You guys are beginning to see the light! We’re all in, do whatever it takes to get a championship while we have Jimmy in his prime and worry about the rest later. I’d be seeing what all star level guy we could get for a Duncan Herro and picks package and if that doesn’t work out pull the Wood move off.

[oreon]

spo!! If you don't win at least one round in the playoffs or you don't make a significant change with this small ball BS ... I think you are getting fired before next season starts, brother!

That's the dilemma with Spo.

No one wants him fired, but we all recognize that he's set in his ways.

And Pat Riley is super keen on continuity and does not want to groom another head coach.

What I find most interesting is how Spo has deviated from Riley's public statements about the vision for the team. Two examples come to mind:

* Riley wanted Bam and Whiteside to play together, which Spo never really did
* Riley predicted that Bam would take on a bigger role in the offense this year, especially thinking that Kyle Lowry would elevate Bam's game, but Spo diminished Bam's role, instead

On top of that, Riley signed on Yurtz to give us a big who can stretch the floor and potentially play alongside Bam. I'm sure Riley loved what he saw from Yurtz because he coached many of the game's greatest bigs and understands their importance in winning championships. I can't imagine he was happy about seeing Yutrz benched after we rose from the 6th seed to the 2nd seed and looked legit without Bam, Dedmon, and Jimmy.

So Riley and Spo are a bit at odds as to the vision for this team and their philosophy on how to win the game.

If Spo doesn't prove that his philosophy and style can win, there could be issues between him and Spo. If Spo doesn't win, hopefully, it results in Spo coming to his sense and adapting.

But Spo may not take too kindly to not having complete control of the team or not being able to do things his way.

Riley is not a moron. Spo is recognized as the best coach in the NBA. He gets fired today most of the other teams would fire their coach to hire him. This anti-Spoism isn't rooted in sense of reality. It's a fact that he got a less talented team to the finals and barring Dragic and Bam injury could have won a title. It's a fact last year's team got screwed by the league and poor roster construction. It's a fact that we have overperformed our current position in the table based on the injuries.
And now he's getting blasted cuz we are loosing without Lowry because of the obsession of going big. We have all this team and one thing is has been true regardless of who is one the floor, Lowry is the most important player on this team. Regardless if Lowry is scoring or not, the offense doesn't flow without him. We got by the Bam and Butler injuries not because of Yurt but because of Lowry. But somehow Yurt is the MVP of this team ???

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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If this is his mindset then we definitely need an all star 3 level scorer on the team next to him.

[AirP.]

So any rumors of Miami and Utah talking with Ingles on the last year of his contract and out for the rest of the year and Miami possibly ok with moving Robinson seem to be decent trading partners and their salaries this year are pretty close. Yes, other players/assets may have to be moved but it seems somewhat plausible.

[AirP.]

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If this is his mindset then we definitely need an all star 3 level scorer on the team next to him.

This isn't new, he's been doing this nearly his whole time in Miami, he did it in Philly, he was doing it in Minnesota, the only time he doesn't do it is when he feels he has to carry the team. He had a statement game about it early on scoring 30 in the first half against Phoenix and when Bam and Dragic were injured in the finals he tried to do it by himself. Butler can still do that, he's not being asked to do that. Look at that famous Minnesota practice where he took the 3rd stringers vs the starters, he took ONE shot and still beat them. Butler WANTS his teammates to score which is another reason I'm ready to see a healthy Oladipo with this team, I could see Butler, Lowry and Bam really utilizing him as a scorer.

Butler has 2 mindsets, a facilitator and a scorer, he doesn't really do well in between.

Butler: I only shot the ball one time. I only shot the ball once.

Redick: But every quote coming out of there was like: “Jimmy was getting buckets. He was dominating.”

Butler: Oh, I was dominating, but I only shot the ball once. Dimes, boom, boom, boom. Steals, blocks. I only shot the ball one time.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/12/11/18136098/jimmy-butler-timberwolves-76ers-third-string-practice-secret-detail-jj-redick

[insfo]

So any rumors of Miami and Utah talking with Ingles on the last year of his contract and out for the rest of the year and Miami possibly ok with moving Robinson seem to be decent trading partners and their salaries this year are pretty close. Yes, other players/assets may have to be moved but it seems somewhat plausible.

I’m not sure if I get this. Are you suggesting we get rid of Duncan for someone who is out for the rest of the year, or is there a 3rd team you think can send us a usable player?

I don’t mind trading away Duncan, but this seems a bit much.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Happy to see a consensus building within the group for going after Christian Wood. We might have to overpay but it is what it is

Heat trade

C Omer Yurtseven
SF Duncan Robinson
PF Markieff Morris
SF KZ Okpala
2024 and 2026 top 15 protected picks

21.5 million outgoing gets us to 1.2 million under cap

for

C/PF Christian Wood
PG DJ Augustin
2nd round pick
1.7 million exception

20.6 million incoming

Wood gives us an impact big next to Bam that can score and shoot 3’s. DJ Augustin gives us a reliable vet PG behind Lowry and Vincent. We have all seen how much pressure this team is under without Lowry so it will be nice to have that insurance going into the playoffs. We will have money to sign Martin and roster spots to sign buyout depth. Can really round this team out for the stretch run.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Just imagine if he could hit layups and and make shots in the 4th…..top 5

[AirP.]

So any rumors of Miami and Utah talking with Ingles on the last year of his contract and out for the rest of the year and Miami possibly ok with moving Robinson seem to be decent trading partners and their salaries this year are pretty close. Yes, other players/assets may have to be moved but it seems somewhat plausible.

I’m not sure if I get this. Are you suggesting we get rid of Duncan for someone who is out for the rest of the year, or is there a 3rd team you think can send us a usable player?

I don’t mind trading away Duncan, but this seems a bit much.

Not a 1 for 1 trade, more of assets(2nd rounders, younger players) and Ingles(who could be cut) for something like Robinson, KZ, maybe Morris which could bring in a useful player and allow Miami to sign C.Martin to make him playoff elgible.

[oreon]

Happy to see a consensus building within the group for going after Christian Wood. We might have to overpay but it is what it is

Heat trade

C Omer Yurtseven
SF Duncan Robinson
PF Markieff Morris
SF KZ Okpala
2024 and 2026 top 15 protected picks

21.5 million outgoing gets us to 1.2 million under cap

for

C/PF Christian Wood
PG DJ Augustin
2nd round pick
1.7 million exception

20.6 million incoming

Wood gives us an impact big next to Bam that can score and shoot 3’s. DJ Augustin gives us a reliable vet PG behind Lowry and Vincent. We have all seen how much pressure this team is under without Lowry so it will be nice to have that insurance going into the playoffs. We will have money to sign Martin and roster spots to sign buyout depth. Can really round this team out for the stretch run.

There's no world in which Wood is worth 2 1st round picks. Defensively there are questions. He's not Myles Turner. He's 6' 9". For his career he averages 0.9 blocks and this season 0.8 blocks. For the teams he's played for, they've had pretty bad defenses. This not a player you bring in who is going to massively improve your interior defense.
Offensively he might help. He's a better shooter & can take advantage of slower centers on the dribble better than Bam does. But he's a player who is used to touches. Is he going to be happy being the 3rd or 4th option. To make it work, you would need to be in the corner to spread the floor. Judging from his attitude in Houston, the answer is No. The dude has been in on 6 different teams. His latest team wants him out because he wouldn't sub in a game. That's a massive warning flag for me. Players like that just ruin the team chemistry. What happens when he gets benched in 4th quarters because PJ Tucker is better defensively than him ? Numbers aren't everything as the Lakers are learning. Chemistry and willingness to sacrifice matters. And I just don't see it from Wood.
If you are going to bring in a center, it would have to be someone like Myles Turner. Who is an elite rim protector and who won't complain about touches. He's hurt so he's not an option this year. So maybe 2omeone like Mo Bamba. He is averaging 2.0 blocks this season and shooting 35 % from 3. He's only 23 so he can get a lot better and he will be happy fitting in whatever role Spo assigns him. And he wouldn't cost anywhere near as much.

[Hallstar]

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That's the shot he needs to hit.

The threes haven't been contested for the most part, they're just not dropping. The midrange pull up is what gonna make him dangerous or not as a scorer

Would also be nice if the refs called a couple of those fouls at the rim. They were calling them then suddenly forgot the last couple games.

[harlem_ball]

The way Bam played last night I think his closest comparison may not be Garnett but perhaps some Garnett/Draymond Green hybrid. Which player was like that?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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