The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[BFRESH44]

Pau was only a complete suprise when the team that acquired his services ending up being THE LAKERS. Especially for what they gave up(Giving Memphis nothing of value outside of future cap flexibility).

But the actual notion of Gasol being traded/on the block was no suprise at all.

He was asking out of Memphis for the past 2 off-seasons prior. Remember all the Pau to Chigaco rumors out there? But Pax wouldn't deal Gordon or Deng...


And with Riley, he's always going to blow smoke up people's ass. But he's never had a number 1 or 2 pick in a draft as dealing cards. In a draft where there were clearly 2 prospects that surely would establish one hell of future. In the immediate and long-term...

[DayofMourning]

I feel the same way BFRESH.

Beasley and Rose have been separated the entire season from the rest of the class and I don't think Riley would consider anybody outside the top five to ten players in the league a good deal for those picks.

My point of getting an extra pick would be that guys like Randolph and Thabeet could be available later in the lottery. If the Heat decided to go with Rose then Thabeet or Randolph would be a great compliment to a Wade, Rose, Wright rotation. I'd prefer Thabeet as I think he has great potential as a center in the Mutombo mold with more mobility.

[Heat3]

we aren't trading the #1 or #2 pick.

[BBallFreak]

we aren't trading the #1 or #2 pick.

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you...

[LEIF]

we aren't trading the #1 or #2 pick.

depends on what it could fetch in return.
this is purely hypothetical but lets say the Clips decide to cash cut and strip down.......
if Riley could put a trio of vets around Wade like Maggette, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman would he?

I think so.

[heat4life]

I think people don't understand the concept of rebuilding "quick" as Riley says he wants for the franchise. Marion (whether you like it or not) is our 2nd best player. It just gets to me when I see dozens of trades that involve our 2nd best player and in return the most valuable asset we get is a 2nd lottery pick. Give me a break guys.

Riley doesn't want to build a team for 5 years from now like smaller markets such as Memphis, Atlanta etc. We have a top 5 player in the league (when healthy) unlike those other teams which means you surround him with talent not with tons of cap space, draft picks and future potential.

I would even agree with BBall that a trade of the #1 or #2 pick in the draft is not out of the question if a top player becomes available in a trade (a la KG). It probably wouln't be the most attractive trade but definitely a possibility.

Marion is a GREAT asset. Not only because of his value as a player but also because of his expiring contract. Let's get used to his name being in the roster. Riley is going to try to build around Wade, Marion and the pick. Expect EVERYBODY else on the roster to be available via trade to help build into a contender.

[LEIF]

I must agree the most likely scenario IS us keeping a top 2 pick and taking Derrick Rose if possible.

Rose-Wade-Marion-Haslem

use our MLE to lure two bigs if possible - Diop and Michael Ruffin.
fill out our bench with Banks-Kareem Rush(LLE)-DWright-Blount-resign Quinn.

Haslem/Ruffin
Marion/Wright
Diop/Blount/Zo or Joel Anthony
Wade/Rush/Cook
Rose/Banks/Quinn

that team could be a 3-4 seed in the East next year IMO.

[heat4life]

Diop is a solid defender but only plays 20MPG and averages 4pts and 5 rebounds. I am not sure I would use my MLE on such a player. JoEL Anthony could give us those types of numbers (and please let's stop putting Zo as the starting center. He is still a 15mpg player IMO).

I don't see any "bigs" worth anything more than our LLE. I think you'll see Riles throw the MLE at a quality RFA and hope they don't match. I also expect another run at Mike Miller over the summer.

[drewchad]

How about this if we don't get a top 2 pick?

Marion & Pick for Wallace + Okafor.

PG Arroyo(FA)/Banks/Quinn
SG Wade/Cook
SF Wallace/Wright
PF Haslem/Anthony
C Okafur/Zo/Blount

[DayofMourning]

The only issue I have with Wallace is that he's not a sniper and if he were to play small forward here he would need to fill that role. Riley has always had a SF who could shoot, or at least he prefers that type of player.

[Flash3]

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depends on what it could fetch in return.
this is purely hypothetical but lets say the Clips decide to cash cut and strip down.......
if Riley could put a trio of vets around Wade like Maggette, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman would he?

I think so.

If we're getting Maggette, Brand & Kaman back for that 1 or 2, that's a no brainer.

[Hoops23]

I don't think Portland would be interested in trading Pryzbilla for Blount in any capacity.

With Oden coming back next season, it means a reduce minutes & a back-up role for Pryzbilla. Since he is going to be a back-up, I dont think trading him will affect the Blazers rotation and thats one of the catch if they want Marion. Blount's contract is a year less than Pryzbilla has.

what i dont understand is why cap in 09 is so imp. when brand is the only one who is worth more than marion in FA that yr...there is a good chance that brand will resign w/ lac...it just seems like we are putting all our eggs on brand

Thats not just the case why the cap space is important but because marion is expensive. Artest, Bogut, Rasheed and Odom are the other FA in that year. If Miami miss out on Brand there is odom or Artest to sign. Miami will rather sign two players for the $17m Marion is asking. Say $12m for Artest & the $5m for . . .

In 2003, Brand choose to sign with Miami for a 6-year contract compare to 7 years with a higher yearly increase that the Clips can offer. Miami is a better team compare to the Clipps and I can't see why he will choose the Clipps ahead of us, unless they over paid which I doubt given the their owner reputation.

Riley doesn't want to build a team for 5 years from now like smaller markets such as Memphis, Atlanta etc. We have a top 5 player in the league (when healthy) unlike those other teams which means you surround him with talent not with tons of cap space, draft picks and future potential.

True, Riley doesnt want to build a team for 5 years that is why he will opt to get Brand, either trading for him or waiting for him. Riley will built the team not just making the playoffs but making them a contender to a title. The Warriors are an exciting team and the Spurs are believe to be a boring team. Better be a boring team whos offense is slow and relying on the post move than a run and gun game who is not build for the playoffs. Brand over Marion.

Marion is a GREAT asset. Not only because of his value as a player but also because of his expiring contract. Let's get used to his name being in the roster. Riley is going to try to build around Wade, Marion and the pick.

No one will argue that Marion is a GREAT asset because he really is. Yeah lets get use to his name for one season. Riley is going to build around Wade, '08 pick and the '09 FA.
Wade, '08 pick & '09 FA (Brand) > than Wade, '08 pick & Marion.

Expect EVERYBODY else on the roster to be available via trade to help build into a contender.

That is expected and its expected too that Blount and Banks has low trade value.

[miamiballer]

yeah but by the time marion is a FA no one will pay him 17 mil...we could give the 12 mil to him per yr and call it a day..marion >anyone not named brand in 09 FA

[Heat3]

If a player is on the trading block then he's likely not worth the #1 or #2 pick. Let's take a page out of the Portland notebook...their #1 was available for a Wade or Lebron....not for much else

[miamiballer]

would you do # 1 or 2 pick plus udonis haslem to port for lamarcus aldridge and jarret jack or sergio rodriguez..would they?

[Heat3]

no...maybe #1 for Oden....but who knows if he'll ever be good after his injury.

[drewchad]

The only issue I have with Wallace is that he's not a sniper and if he were to play small forward here he would need to fill that role. Riley has always had a SF who could shoot, or at least he prefers that type of player.

We could get by with a 3 point shooting PG instead, but they don't seem to be in huge supply at the moment.

Wallace isn't that bad a 3 point shooter & his D is definitely "Riley type".

Variation on above trade (If CHA wasn't keen on 1st deal): swap picks with CHA & substitute Mohammed for Okafur

PG: #8 (Westbrook/Collison/Mayo?)/Banks/Quinn
SG: Wade/Cook
SF: Wallace/Wright
PF: Haslem/Anthony
C: Mohammed/Zo/Blount

This would be an excellent Defensive(Riley) team, we would need to target scoring with MLE &/or LLE. But would have little cap flexibility.

[Lane1974]

I'd rather have Marion and #1 or 2 than Wallace, Nazr and #8

[heat4life]

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No one will argue that Marion is a GREAT asset because he really is. Yeah lets get use to his name for one season. Riley is going to build around Wade, '08 pick and the '09 FA.
Wade, '08 pick & '09 FA (Brand) > than Wade, '08 pick & Marion.

I think Brand is the best option for Miami that year as well, but he is also the best option for several other teams as well. Riley is going to see what is out there, keep his options open but let's not be surprised if that option ends up being Marion. After all, he is a Riley-type of player just for the amount of money it is being reported. I think Marion would be willing to take a lower dollar amount in exchange for years (6 years) allowing the team to still have cap space for someone like Brand (pending we trade Blount and/or Haslem)

That is expected and its expected too that Blount and Banks has low trade value.

I think it is low for Blount not so sure for Banks.

Banks years remaining in his contract is the killer. The dollar amount is decent amongs NBA contracts. IMO Banks stays in Miami because his salary and role in the team are more valuable to us right now unless a team out there REALLY wants him.

As for Blount, I see him being traded out of here with one of our young players and/or a pick for someone like Mike Miller and few more longer contracts (Collins? Cardinal?). Maybe not that exact same deal but something along those lines.

I have a gut feeling that Riley is going to chase Mike Miller one more time before the summer is over. Maybe this time he'll get him.

[Hoops23]

I think Brand is the best option for Miami that year as well, but he is also the best option for several other teams as well.

But Miami has the better chance landing him because of the cap space by letting Marion walk. I doubt if those several teams has cap space to sign him.

The best thing Miami could do is not offer marion a contract extension this summer and sort it out in '09.