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Re: Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!! 

Post#761 » by Rapaz » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:10 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:Can we please keep the tweets to reputable accounts regarding trades for Beal or any other player

Let me check the Sardine.
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Post#762 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:10 pm

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If we would’ve shot the ball better and had an actual scorer we would have won the series. We held the nuggets to their worst shooting performance of the playoffs. We gotta stop going with this narrative that we were too small.


Uhm. So we have enough size? did you guys did not get tired of those countless offensive rebounds by Braun, Brown and Gordon?

Nuggets also average 9 more rebounds per game against the Heat. So yea, size does not matter :lol:


Is not a very popular opinion here Size does matter, i happen to be one who thinks it does, i would definitely welcome more size on the team especially to solve our rebounding woes but its obvious we also needed more scoring and we should focus on it, even more than size.


More size is always better. In reality, size usually comes with its own limitations. FUNCTIONAL SIZE ABOVE ALL
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Post#763 » by marson » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:13 pm

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marson wrote:Do we beat the Nuggets in the finals with a healthy Beal in the lineup? probably no, still too smol.


Without question the series is still going on. Unless the added rest from taking care of business against Boston allowed us to really dominate

Read on Twitter


Sure it can go to 6 or 7. But do we beat them is the question. I'm still leaning on the Denver Nuggets having too much size and scoring options. Not having a big body to cover Jokic was a problem as well.
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Post#764 » by Spacely » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:15 pm

marson wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
marson wrote:Do we beat the Nuggets in the finals with a healthy Beal in the lineup? probably no, still too smol.


Without question the series is still going on. Unless the added rest from taking care of business against Boston allowed us to really dominate

Read on Twitter


Sure it can go to 6 or 7. But do we beat them is the question. I'm still leaning on the Denver Nuggets having too much size and scoring options. Not having a big body to cover Jokic was a problem as well.


So what big body can guard Jokic in the nba
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Post#765 » by AirP. » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:19 pm

The following article below is also on yahoo...
The Heat must decide by next week whether to make a $2.3 million qualifying offer to center Omer Yurtseven, which is necessary for Miami to retain his rights. Otherwise, he would be an unrestricted free agent.

Forward Jamal Cain and center Orlando Robinson said they plan to remain in the Heat’s program and play for the team’s Summer League team in Sacramento and Las Vegas.

Nikola Jovic said he has bulked up from 222 at the start of training camp to 229. What did fellow Serbian Nikola Jokic — the Nuggets star center — tell him during their brief embrace after Game 5?

“He’s my friend — happy for him,” Jovic said. “He gave me a hug and told me to keep working.”

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Post#766 » by marson » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:20 pm

Spacely wrote:
marson wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Without question the series is still going on. Unless the added rest from taking care of business against Boston allowed us to really dominate

Read on Twitter


Sure it can go to 6 or 7. But do we beat them is the question. I'm still leaning on the Denver Nuggets having too much size and scoring options. Not having a big body to cover Jokic was a problem as well.


So what big body can guard Jokic in the nba


Plenty. So we can defend straight up and not rely on a cheesy zone defense.

No one can stop him one-on-one of course, but a big body to cover would be ideal. The Lakers did it in the bubble.
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Post#767 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:22 pm

I've been telling you all the Wizards doing the smart thing and going for a full rebuild has potential to be a boon for Miami getting added value



Delon would be a perfect 3rd guard in this Heat system. He can play both guard spots and does a little bit of everything. He's become a super disruptive defender and is always trying to do the little things on both ends of the floor. He will also be a PERFECT fit in the Spo Zone. He could basically be the guard version of what Caleb is for the wing rotation.

I remember him causing some problems for us in our series against Atlanta last year.

Bonus that he grew up trying to emulate Wade and you can see it in his movement style on the court.
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Post#769 » by MorbidHEAT » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:26 pm

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Micky has been saving for years for this moment. It’s his fat wallet’s time to shine.

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I have a ton of Carnival stock, because it was dirt cheap during covid...it has been moving on up as of late, and most analyst have it back in the buy now territory. It is still not even half of what it was at pre-covid but it is up 50% already this year.


IF money was not being spent due to the covid impact on the cruise industry .....that is starting to be forecast into pre-covid levels of volume,


Micky might just feel better about long term Basketball spending again.


I had 2000 shares that I bought at $9 and sold at $11. Then it dropped back to $9.75 and I waited instead of buying back in. I’m still salty about that. Micky is doing alright right now.
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Post#770 » by CrossOver » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:30 pm

marson wrote:
Spacely wrote:
marson wrote:
Sure it can go to 6 or 7. But do we beat them is the question. I'm still leaning on the Denver Nuggets having too much size and scoring options. Not having a big body to cover Jokic was a problem as well.


So what big body can guard Jokic in the nba


Plenty. So we can defend straight up and not rely on a cheesy zone defense.

No one can stop him one-on-one of course, but a big body to cover would be ideal. The Lakers did it in the bubble.


The same Lakers with the same bodies that got completely annihilated by him and couldn't even win one game in their series.
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Post#771 » by MorbidHEAT » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:31 pm

MHeat0279 wrote:
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what the H ell is this?


How many years have there been rumors about Beal? Feels like it’s every year.
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Post#772 » by marson » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:33 pm

CrossOver wrote:
marson wrote:
Spacely wrote:
So what big body can guard Jokic in the nba


Plenty. So we can defend straight up and not rely on a cheesy zone defense.

No one can stop him one-on-one of course, but a big body to cover would be ideal. The Lakers did it in the bubble.


The same Lakers with the same bodies that got completely annihilated by him and couldn't even win one game in their series.


I thought Dwight is in China and Mcgee on the Mavs this year?

and the Lakers series were FAR closer than the finals series. They just could not close in the clutch.
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Post#773 » by CrossOver » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:38 pm

marson wrote:
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marson wrote:
Plenty. So we can defend straight up and not rely on a cheesy zone defense.

No one can stop him one-on-one of course, but a big body to cover would be ideal. The Lakers did it in the bubble.


The same Lakers with the same bodies that got completely annihilated by him and couldn't even win one game in their series.


I thought Dwight is in China and Mcgee on the Mavs this year?


Buddy, if you think the difference in successfully guarding Jokic is those two guys then you are viewing this in a very flawed way.

The cheesy zone defense, as you called it, was what largely led to DEN having their lowest offensive efficiency in the post season.

That was with them having faced bigs likes of Gobert, KAT, Ayton and Anthony Davis.

Should the Heat look to add size, sure, but it was not remotely the reason they lost the FInals. They eclipsed 100 points only once (their one victory) and that's what did them in.
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Post#774 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:40 pm

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He’s ridiculously clutch too like his boy Bam


No way I would take Bam over Jokic in clutch situations :lol:

Where do they even get this ESPN-like stat lol


It’s not a ranking it’s just overall scoring efficiency. FG% 3FG% and FT% all wrapped in to one statistic. It’s the best statistic to weigh scoring efficiency.
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Post#775 » by marson » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:43 pm

CrossOver wrote:
marson wrote:
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The same Lakers with the same bodies that got completely annihilated by him and couldn't even win one game in their series.


I thought Dwight is in China and Mcgee on the Mavs this year?


Buddy, if you think the difference in successfully guarding Jokic is those two guys then you are viewing this in a very flawed way.

The cheesy zone defense, as you called it, was what largely led to DEN having their lowest offensive efficiency in the post season.

That was with them having faced bigs likes of Gobert, KAT, Ayton and Anthony Davis.

Should the Heat look to add size, sure, but it was not remotely the reason they lost the FInals. They eclipsed 100 points only once (their one victory) and that's what did them in.


Yeah, buddy just stating the fact the Lakers did it in 2020 and you're comparing it to this year's team is absolutely irrelevant.

sure the zone worked a bit but they have literally had an answer to it by their cutting and Jokic making his way in the middle. At the end of the day, we can't stop them from rebounding and scoring when it matters. It's the finals, every efficiency stat would dip.
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Post#776 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:45 pm

marson wrote:
CrossOver wrote:
marson wrote:
I thought Dwight is in China and Mcgee on the Mavs this year?


Buddy, if you think the difference in successfully guarding Jokic is those two guys then you are viewing this in a very flawed way.

The cheesy zone defense, as you called it, was what largely led to DEN having their lowest offensive efficiency in the post season.

That was with them having faced bigs likes of Gobert, KAT, Ayton and Anthony Davis.

Should the Heat look to add size, sure, but it was not remotely the reason they lost the FInals. They eclipsed 100 points only once (their one victory) and that's what did them in.


Yeah, buddy just stating the fact the Lakers did it in 2020 and you're comparing it to this year's team is absolutely irrelevant.

sure the zone worked a bit but they have literally had an answer to it by their cutting and Jokic making his way in the middle. At the end of the day, we can't stop them from rebounding and scoring when it matters. It's the finals, every efficiency stat would dip.


I’d say it’s more irrelevant to reference how to defend the Nuggets based on a series they had 3 years ago
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Post#777 » by twozeroMM » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:46 pm

This off season, please let’s not post rumors from these wannabe Twitter reporters trying to break news.
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Post#778 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:46 pm

Guys, we played far better defense against the nuggets than any other team they faced in the playoffs. Bam is literally as good as it gets, you can shut down Jokic. He shot 50% against bam, like 14% lower than his regular season average. That’s a win.

We simply lost because we couldn’t score. Jimmy and Bam struggled with overall efficiency and our shooters forgot how to shoot. Offense was why we lost, we’re going to fix that now and then yes we will hopefully add a frontcourt player or 2 to try and ease Bams overall burden
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Post#779 » by CrossOver » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:47 pm

marson wrote:
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marson wrote:
I thought Dwight is in China and Mcgee on the Mavs this year?


Buddy, if you think the difference in successfully guarding Jokic is those two guys then you are viewing this in a very flawed way.

The cheesy zone defense, as you called it, was what largely led to DEN having their lowest offensive efficiency in the post season.

That was with them having faced bigs likes of Gobert, KAT, Ayton and Anthony Davis.

Should the Heat look to add size, sure, but it was not remotely the reason they lost the FInals. They eclipsed 100 points only once (their one victory) and that's what did them in.


Yeah, buddy just stating the fact the Lakers did it in 2020 and you're comparing it to this year's team is absolutely irrelevant.

sure the zone worked a bit but they have literally had an answer to it by their cutting and Jokic making his way in the middle. At the end of the day, we can't stop them from rebounding and scoring when it matters. It's the finals, every efficiency stat would dip.


What's irrelevant is taking a series that occurred 4 seasons ago and trying to use it to validate your argument while brushing off things that happened in this very post season but I guess that's your prerogative.
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Post#780 » by marson » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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Buddy, if you think the difference in successfully guarding Jokic is those two guys then you are viewing this in a very flawed way.

The cheesy zone defense, as you called it, was what largely led to DEN having their lowest offensive efficiency in the post season.

That was with them having faced bigs likes of Gobert, KAT, Ayton and Anthony Davis.

Should the Heat look to add size, sure, but it was not remotely the reason they lost the FInals. They eclipsed 100 points only once (their one victory) and that's what did them in.


Yeah, buddy just stating the fact the Lakers did it in 2020 and you're comparing it to this year's team is absolutely irrelevant.

sure the zone worked a bit but they have literally had an answer to it by their cutting and Jokic making his way in the middle. At the end of the day, we can't stop them from rebounding and scoring when it matters. It's the finals, every efficiency stat would dip.


I’d say it’s more irrelevant to reference how to defend the Nuggets based on a series they had 3 years ago


Well, it's a series where Murray and Jokic were both healthy and lost the series.

It's a good tape for other teams to watch so it's not totally irrelevant. The Heat could've had a big body to cover him and let Bam roam around and be a safety like what AD did in that series.

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