2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[Lennyzinho]

lol you don't need colorful graphs for such a simple stat. We all get it, Tyler played well before the ASB and at the end of the season and then sucked ass in the playoffs.

I think it was just confirmation that he needs to be a scorer and not a creator, which is the role he was forced into when Jimmy left. I'm actually not sure about people who say he has to be a 6th man though, Tyler of a few years ago yeah, but he makes smart reads on offense now and I don't find him to be that much of a chucker. He's just not enough of a floor raiser/creator, which is what a low talent squad needs, and we're definitely low talent.

The comments of Herro needing to be a 6th man is just silly. He's good enough to be the 2nd best offensive option on a winning team. But ideally he's at best the third or fourth best player on the team. The same way Bam is definitely good enough to be the 2nd best player on a winning team, but he should be the 3rd or 4th option on offense as well as a facilitator or amplifier.

And you need good depth and every once in a while you need a guy getting hot and tipping a game in your favor like a Malik Beasley or a Ty Jerome or during the bubble season when we made the finals, Duncan Robinson.

With the jump Herro made this season, and the addition of Davion, and the drafting of Pelle and Ware, I actually liked this squad more than what we've had the last couple seasons. Not saying we beat Cleveland, but we also wouldn't have played them first round. I think this would've been a good dangerous team.

I've said it twenty times, but the Lowry trade and salary ruined this window and then desperate move to dump him for an upgrade in rozier and that also blew up in our face and cost us a frp. Brutal.

Let's hope for better moves going forward.

[Kobewade11]

do you have this same graphic for the team month over month? I want to see something

[Vertical Limit]

Kerr needs someone else that can attack the paint and help butler.. but he refuses to remove Kuminga from the doghouse.. that rockets zone defense has gsw in a lot of trouble… houston should win game 7

If Kuminga was the answer or any answer, they would have never traded for Jimmy.

He could play in place of Buddy Hield who has been absolutely useless and yet still starting.

Yesterday Game 6 - 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists
Game 5 before - 4 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist


Ever since Houston has committed to the zone, he has been rendered useless.

It may be too late but for game 7 id bet buddy remains useless.. Put in Kuminga, who at the very least is able to attack the basket and give Curry and Butler different looks.

[twix2500]

There is a pattern in his play each year. I'v pointed this out prior years.


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2022-21 Herro was the sixth man of the year. His sixth man year is almost identical to this all-star season. League average OFFRTG is around 116.

[MHeat0279]

It's funny how much criticism we have for our own players and how much grace is offered to failures on other teams. Heat fan base is upside down

You talking about Heat fans dogging Tyler but hyping up Luka who Tyler is better than?

I was also defending Bam in that post sir, relax

You two have a love affair, how romantic

[twix2500]

do you have this same graphic for the team month over month? I want to see something

Is this what you want to see? forgive me is this is sloppy, I am at the grocery store doing it on my phone lol

[VaDe255]

There is a pattern in his play each year. I'v pointed this out prior years.


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2022-21 Herro was the sixth man of the year. His sixth man year is almost identical to this all-star season. League average OFFRTG is around 116.

It's just noise, not a pattern. Playing the No. 1 seed as the sole offensive creator on the team will make your numbers look bad. It has nothing to do with these being playoff games. Much better players than Herro have failed in the situation he was put in.

The real pattern we have is that he’s improved every year.
As long as he keeps improving his game, there’s nothing wrong with Herro. He’s on a good trajectory and is close in production and efficiency to the elite guards in the league.

I don’t know why fans are ignoring the fact that he made a significant leap this year
- His rim frequency is up to 20%, and he kept finishing at 62%, which is very solid for a guard
- His midrange shot was at 53% this year and he was able to shoot more 3s, while keeping his % high, elite numbers
- He added some moves to draw fouls and significantly increased his free throw rate (60% more attempts than the previous year)
- It was also his best year as a playmaker, averaging 5.5 assists on 2.6 turnovers, very solid numbers for a high usage guard
- He played 77 games and was 8th in total minutes played, disproving the "fragile" allegations

All of this while being schemed against as the No. 1 guy, these are really impressive numbers.
Improving his handle and taking advantage of how much defensive attention he draws to make more plays for the team is the next step here

They aren't trading him or Bam, might as well hope he makes another leap and didn't hit his ceiling, yet

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Being healthy for one year doesn’t mean you aren’t fragile when we have several other years showing you have been, I hope this season is the norm going forward

[Lennyzinho]

Being healthy for one year doesn’t mean you aren’t fragile when we have several other years showing you have been, I hope this season is the norm going forward

Remember Curry had a ton of injuries? Bad shoulder and really bad ankle injuries? The Bucks made a trade and they could've had Monta Ellis or Steph Curry and they took Monta Ellis and whatever for Stephen Jackson and Bogut. That was Currys 4th year in the league I think.

Herro played 66 games in 21-22, 67 in 22-23, then 23-24 he played 42 and then this year he played 77. Last year wasn't great, I remember he had a really bad sprain that kept him out like 5 weeks or something pretty crazy. I remember being like wtf is up? Lmao. And then he had that awful dive at a ball and broke his hand in playoffs. Smh.

So I mean. I'll take 66-72 games a season. Not everyone can be Bam or Mikal Bridges. I think he's getting older and stronger and entering his prime. I think he's trending toward being a solidly available player. Maybe this turns out to be a fluke when we look back at his career in 5 years and he's just another Bradley beal that plays 40-60 games a year but I think he's a hard working dude and our fitness coach won coach of the year didn't he? I have faith in Tyler.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Being healthy for one year doesn’t mean you aren’t fragile when we have several other years showing you have been, I hope this season is the norm going forward

Remember Curry had a ton of injuries? Bad shoulder and really bad ankle injuries? The Bucks made a trade and they could've had Monta Ellis or Steph Curry and they took Monta Ellis and whatever for Stephen Jackson and Bogut. That was Currys 4th year in the league I think.

Herro played 66 games in 21-22, 67 in 22-23, then 23-24 he played 42 and then this year he played 77. Last year wasn't great, I remember he had a really bad sprain that kept him out like 5 weeks or something pretty crazy. I remember being like wtf is up? Lmao. And then he had that awful dive at a ball and broke his hand in playoffs. Smh.

So I mean. I'll take 66-72 games a season. Not everyone can be Bam or Mikal Bridges. I think he's getting older and stronger and entering his prime. I think he's trending toward being a solidly available player. Maybe this turns out to be a fluke when we look back at his career in 5 years and he's just another Bradley beal that plays 40-60 games a year but I think he's a hard working dude and our fitness coach won coach of the year didn't he? I have faith in Tyler.

I hope you’re right!

[batterybro42]

Would you trade Bam+Herro for Luka, Rui and filler like Finney Smith?

I would

We get a star to begin a new build around

Lakers get a core of

LeBron
Bam
Herro
Reeves

[Tim_Hardawayy]

The comments of Herro needing to be a 6th man is just silly. He's good enough to be the 2nd best offensive option on a winning team. But ideally he's at best the third or fourth best player on the team. The same way Bam is definitely good enough to be the 2nd best player on a winning team, but he should be the 3rd or 4th option on offense as well as a facilitator or amplifier.

And you need good depth and every once in a while you need a guy getting hot and tipping a game in your favor like a Malik Beasley or a Ty Jerome or during the bubble season when we made the finals, Duncan Robinson.

With the jump Herro made this season, and the addition of Davion, and the drafting of Pelle and Ware, I actually liked this squad more than what we've had the last couple seasons. Not saying we beat Cleveland, but we also wouldn't have played them first round. I think this would've been a good dangerous team.

I've said it twenty times, but the Lowry trade and salary ruined this window and then desperate move to dump him for an upgrade in rozier and that also blew up in our face and cost us a frp. Brutal.

Let's hope for better moves going forward.

I understand why people say it though. In the past, Tyler was more of a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type, who isn't helping you if they aren't putting up shots. That's why you play those guys as 6th man, because if they aren't the offensive focus they aren't doing anything and probably taking shots away from better players.

This Tyler, the one we got this year, is a visibly different player. He willingly spots up when other guys have it going, moves the ball, plays within the flow of the offense, and only forces it when nobody else is able to do anything.

In the past, Tyler would have bad games where he shoots us out of it and we wish he'd let the game come to him more. This year, his bad games mostly came as a result of getting all of the defensive attention and being forced to do everything. Much different scenario. I know Jimmy was mostly dogging it for us this year, but there was a couple times he played where I could see the chemistry between him and Tyler and how that would work if Tyler could play with someone on his level or better who had the creator role. It's there now, unfortunately a number of things blew up the chance for it to work with Jimmy, but it could work with someone else.

Yeah the Cavs series was terrible, but that's because he isn't good enough or dominant enough to be the guy creating everything. He's not a Luka or LeBron. I never felt like he was shooting us out of games though. And in fact, the game we were arguably most competitive in this series, game 2, he was the one consistent guy on offense who kept us in striking distance.

I definitely think this version of Herro could be a Klay Thompson on a championship team. Or (not to be too blasphemous here), a lesser talented Curry. But he can't be the engine, there needs to be either a true point guard or a dominant wing creator next to him.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Would you trade Bam+Herro for Luka, Rui and filler like Finney Smith?

I would

lol I wouldn't even have to think twice. But it makes no sense for the Lakers, if you're dumping Luka already its because LeBron wants to get a ring next year, you can do better than Bam+Herro for a desperate win-now LeBron on his way out.

[Kobewade11]

do you have this same graphic for the team month over month? I want to see something

Is this what you want to see? forgive me is this is sloppy, I am at the grocery store doing it on my phone lol

Thanks, yea I just wanted to see the delta between Herro's Offrtg and the team's

[batterybro42]

Would you trade Bam+Herro for Luka, Rui and filler like Finney Smith?

I would

lol I wouldn't even have to think twice. But it makes no sense for the Lakers, if you're dumping Luka already its because LeBron wants to get a ring next year, you can do better than Bam+Herro for a desperate win-now LeBron on his way out.

I think you could get a better star maybe, but you’re not getting two players like Bam+Herro

You could in that situation let Bron play point he’s got Reves and Herro on the Wings to shoot, and Bam to do the dirty work. They would just need a ring chasing 5 to come play and they have a team that can win a ring. Thats a much better team than they currently have in my opinion.

I get the feeling that LeBron and Luka pairing isn’t going to work and Reeves isn’t enough to fetch them something to bridge the gap. One of Bron or Luka leaves this summer

[Shewasfly]

Made the point before the Cavs series that Ware's minutes would be severely limited and was told that I was crazy by a few posters.

Some people here have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to how Spo coaches in the playoffs.

Why wouldn't we? 6'9 Bam is a top 5 center. We make the choice to keep him at C because its truly our best option and not because we have literally no other bigs on the roster besides Ware. The metrics say so.

We need to revamp our roster to make sure that Bam stays at C for at least 50% of his time so we can continue to hide his offense see the benefits of his top 5 Center in the league capabilities.



Did I do it right?

tremendo complejo

Ruude. I was just trying to help spread the word for you that Bam is a top 5 center and we should keep the small ball going.

[jbsays]

Just got home and get to watch Nuggets vs. Clippers game 7. I'm a Jokic fan. We'll see what happens.

Remember when Kawhi was a youngster vs. Lebron era Heat? Hell... Harden was a youngster vs. Lebron era Heat.

Anyways, my Heat top 5 are:
Wade
Hardaway
Zo
Lebron
Bam

Ask me tomorrow and that could change. I remember jacking up threes from 5 feet behind the line at the playground because Majerle did. UD is actually my second favorite Heat player, but I don't want him to get a big head.

[DayofMourning]

Did we talk about how KA stuck up for Herro in the exits? My man.

[spectrec130]

Being healthy for one year doesn’t mean you aren’t fragile when we have several other years showing you have been, I hope this season is the norm going forward

If only the Dolphins FO would have taken this advice just maybe they would not have landed in the Cap Quagmire of paying the most physically limited QB in the NFL top dollar.

[marson]

Anyone taking Kawhi over KD?