MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[AirP.]

Player A

2019 - 28 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 5.1 APG, 3.2 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 44/37/78, 113 DRTG
2020 - 27 MPG, 13.4 PPG, 4.4 APG, 3.4 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 43/37/83, 114 DRTG



Player B

2019 - 36 MPG, 19.4 PPG, 7.5 APG, 5 RPG, 1.4 ST, 3.1 TO, 42/35/86, 106 DRTG
2020 - 35 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 7.3 APG, 5.4 RPG, 1 ST, 2.7 TO, 44/40/87, 115 DRTG

Spoiler:

Player A you have guaranteed right now on a 1 year 19M deal

Player B you will likely need to make a STARTING offer of 3/80 at the absolute least to get into the room.

There is a context to those stats. One of those players is starting and going against starters most of the games, the other is coming off the bench and playing more against backups then a starter would.

Wouldn't be completely against having both in Miami. Especially if Miami lets Nunn go and Dragic comes back at a much smaller number.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Random thought. I’ve been focusing on Kawhi because he’s one of my fav non-Heat players, but if they flame out and PG is on the block...

Sign Lowry, trade for PG

Lowry
Robinson
George
Butler
Adebayo

Not bad, not bad.

How do you sign Lowry without renouncing the contracts you would need to trade for PG? It's one or the other. We either opt in and make S&T's with Dragic and Iguodala with no cap space but able to use Mid Level and Bi annual or renounce all our free agents and have roughly 23-27 million to spend and no mid level and about 4.7 million exception to sign a room player. The second option also makes it very tough to offer anything significant to our bird right free agents because of renouncing cap holds .

[twix2500]

Dragic will be dealt and the Heat will operate as an over the cap team. Because it gives the more money to use. If they renounce dragic and iggy they will be limited to the regular cap 27 mill and 5 mill mle. Trading Dragic and iggy Heat can use almost 50 mill of cap room and 10 mill mle.

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[AirP.]

vincent answered my question, he quotes me below and gives me an answer.

[vincent]

This is Miami Heat off-season in a nutshell

Besides attempting to trade for whale (Lillard, Leonard,Beal )

A.)Goran (trade at a later date), Oladipo (over the cap) plus Full MLE vs
A1.) You could trade Lowry for Goran but Toronto has to agree.

B.) Kyle Lowry(under the cap) plus Room MLE vs
B1.) I don't see Oladipo signing for MLE, and plus MH still need a PF

C.)Sign 2 players in 10-13 mil range (under the cap) Room MLE
C1.) exp.Dinwiddle,Noel /Dinwiddle, offer Zach Collins/ Blake Giffin, Reggie Jackson

Do this sound right...

[vincent]

Quick question because I'm not sure of the answer.

With non playoff teams able to trade after the regular season and playoff teams able to trade after being eliminated, could Miami trade for Lowry and a cheap extra player this month for a package built around Dragic, Iggy, and say one of Nunn or Robinson where Toronto could just decline Dragic and Iggy's team options for next year but have the young player's restricted rights(just an example, other packages could be made for Lowry or other players)? I can't find a definitive answer for this as players under contract are traded after the season before free agency normally during the NBA draft. This trade also allows Toronto to add a 3rd team to the trade to reroute an expiring contract for someone they may want to build a package for.

NO Sir...Not allowed

Dragic will be dealt and the Heat will operate as an over the cap team. Because it gives the more money to use. If they renounce dragic and iggy they will be limited to the regular cap 27 mill and 5 mill mle. Trading Dragic and iggy Heat can use almost 50 mill of cap room and 10 mill mle.

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The Heat was not a tax team this year,
why do we not have the full MLE at 9 million. I actually believe it's the other way around

The "full" mid-level is the largest, and is only available to teams that aren't paying the NBA's luxury tax. It is estimated to be set at $9.246 million for the 2019-20 season. This exception may be split and given to multiple players. It can be used for contracts up to four years in length, with raises up to 5% per year after the first season.

[AirP.]

Quick question because I'm not sure of the answer.

Spoiler:

With non playoff teams able to trade after the regular season and playoff teams able to trade after being eliminated, could Miami trade for Lowry and a cheap extra player this month for a package built around Dragic, Iggy, and say one of Nunn or Robinson where Toronto could just decline Dragic and Iggy's team options for next year but have the young player's restricted rights(just an example, other packages could be made for Lowry or other players)? I can't find a definitive answer for this as players under contract are traded after the season before free agency normally during the NBA draft. This trade also allows Toronto to add a 3rd team to the trade to reroute an expiring contract for someone they may want to build a package for.

NO Sir...Not allowed.

Thank you, you are correct. I continued looking and found the answers.

From a 2019 article...

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/nba-offseason-trade-restrictions-2.html

Pending free agents
Players whose contracts will expire on June 30 can’t be traded prior to that date. Beginning in July, they can be moved in sign-and-trade deals, but those are rare. Once a 2019 free agent officially signs a new contract, he is ineligible to be traded until at least December 15, and perhaps even later than that if he meets certain criteria.

Player with options
Players who have team or player options for 2019/20 can’t be traded before those option decisions are made. In other words, a club can’t acquire a player with a team option in June, then decline that option before the end of the month as a way to create cap room.

However, a player who has an option year for ’19/20 on his contract technically can be traded, either before or after the new league year begins. As part of the deal though, his option would need to be exercised. That’s what happened a couple years ago with Chris Paul, for instance, when he was sent from Los Angeles to Houston.

So if the Heat want to explore trading Goran Dragic this summer, for instance, they’d have to rely on him exercising his player option for next season. If he turns down that option, he can’t be moved prior to June 30, and could only be moved in a sign-and-trade in July, significantly reducing the odds of a deal.

[vincent]

Quick question because I'm not sure of the answer.

With non playoff teams able to trade after the regular season and playoff teams able to trade after being eliminated, could Miami trade for Lowry and a cheap extra player this month for a package built around Dragic, Iggy, and say one of Nunn or Robinson where Toronto could just decline Dragic and Iggy's team options for next year but have the young player's restricted rights(just an example, other packages could be made for Lowry or other players)? I can't find a definitive answer for this as players under contract are traded after the season before free agency normally during the NBA draft. This trade also allows Toronto to add a 3rd team to the trade to reroute an expiring contract for someone they may want to build a package for.

NO Sir...Not allowed.

What part isn't allowed? Players are moved during the draft and I don't see any restrictions on who can and can't be moved before free agency starts, to my understanding just the moratorium period and the time between the trade deadline and when their season/playoffs ends are the times teams can't make trades.

It's my current belief(since I've not read otherwise) restricted FAs aren't usually(if ever) traded until they basically can't agree to a price with their new team which can be done during a sign and trade that happens after free agency starts.

If someone is traded during the draft, it's not official till the new basketball year ...None of it is allowed..
This year is over even the draft pick are billed on 21-22 season ..

[AirP.]

NO Sir...Not allowed.

What part isn't allowed? Players are moved during the draft and I don't see any restrictions on who can and can't be moved before free agency starts, to my understanding just the moratorium period and the time between the trade deadline and when their season/playoffs ends are the times teams can't make trades.

It's my current belief(since I've not read otherwise) restricted FAs aren't usually(if ever) traded until they basically can't agree to a price with their new team which can be done during a sign and trade that happens after free agency starts.

If someone is traded during the draft, it's not official till the new basketball year ...None of it is allowed..
This year is over even the draft pick are billed on 21-22 season ..

Thank you, I found a couple of articles on it finally, didn't want to keep looking for the info if it wasn't out there.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We only have full access to the MLE if we operate as capped team. If we renounce everyone and operate as room team the exception shrinks to 4.7 mil.

[Flash4thewin]

We only have full access the MLE if we operate as capped team. If we renounce everyone and operate as room team the exception shrinks to 4.7 mil.

The Raps know this all too well. Either we get Lowry on their terms (Herro) or we get Lowry renouncing everyone and try to sign a starting PF with 4.7 mil. That just might be enough to resign Ariza. I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry.

[AirP.]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

[SA37]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

He might be referring to finding undrafted guys?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

He might be referring to finding undrafted guys?

That's definitely what he's referring to.

[Hallstar]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

He might be referring to finding undrafted guys?

yep

[vincent]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

I was thinking of trading KNunn or KZ for a couple 2nd, this draft is deep .

[AirP.]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

He might be referring to finding undrafted guys?

When he says "somehow" when he currently has 0 picks seems to indicate to me that he's looking for picks, maybe just 2nd round picks, maybe a late first rounder in some type of trade package. The words "somehow" and "good" makes me think of someone better then just undrafted players.

[AirP.]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

I was thinking of trading KNunn or KZ for a couple 2nd, this draft is deep .

Something along those lines, some caped teams may be willing to trade picks for players that they don't have space to sign straight out. What Riley said seems odd to say if he's just looking to sign undrafted guys, why even mention it at that point and then also tag them as "good".

[MettaWorldPanda]

We only have full access the MLE if we operate as capped team. If we renounce everyone and operate as room team the exception shrinks to 4.7 mil.

I'm starting to get the feeling that Dragic will be returning at this rate. If we can't find a deal then most likely looking at declining his 19.4 million option and signing him to a much cheaper deal to be the backup PG with bird rights.

If the Heat declines Dragic’s option for next season, he will become an unrestricted free agent but Miami will still retain his Bird rights and can exceed the salary cap to re-sign him up to his maximum salary. This would probably only be done by the Heat to bring back Dragic at a lower salary than the $19.4 million option in his contract.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not sure it's been mentioned but during the season ending press conference Riley said he believes he's going to get a couple of good players from the 2021 draft. Why this is important is because currently Miami doesn't have any picks, so it seems to indicate Riley is planning on something around or soon after draft day and although Miami may be targeting older players, he understands that Miami also needs to start developing their replacements.

I was thinking of trading KNunn or KZ for a couple 2nd, this draft is deep .

Something along those lines, some caped teams may be willing to trade picks for players that they don't have space to sign straight out. What Riley said seems odd to say if he's just looking to sign undrafted guys, why even mention it at that point and then also tag them as "good".

Yeah you make a great point here. The going rate for S&T's for restricted free agents usually ends with a 2nd round pick. I could see Nunn going for that. But the issue is the draft is a week before free agency. Would be a future 2nd