Gasol=Bosh?

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

Wade has been better than Kobe for quite some time. Wade with a vastly inferior supporting cast kept games equal or even beat the Lakers every time they played. In fact they were a Kobe admittedly lucky shot from winning the season series. When Kobe had a poor cast and the shoe was on the other foot, the Heat wins were often blowouts. Wade has been better than Kobe for quite some time. Compare what he did to the Celtics with Ray Allen guarding him (and several other defenders simultaneously might I add) and what Kobe did. Check Wade's finals performances against Kobe's. I don't want to say its not all that close because I don't want to start an argument, but I can say definitely that Wade is better.
I honestly think the only real argument about who is better than who exists between Wade and LeBron. So its a wonderful luxury to have both of those guys on our team. Kobe had his time but that has been over since 2007. Its Wade (and LeBron's) time now.

wut?
Every team has bandwagons but damn, retarted ones MUST be weeded out.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

wut?
Every team has bandwagons but damn, retarted ones MUST be weeded out.

Please gtfo. I already told you, Wade's been > Kobe since 2006. If he never dislocates his shoulder this wouldn't even be a debate.

Dflash3 gave you plenty of reasons why. I'm too tired to type out a long response, but that about sums it up.

Kobe's got skills, they just don't always translate into good efficient basketball. Wade is, and always has been, a better team player.

The problem with basketball is that most NBA fans are idiots. Its the truth. Your average conversation devolves into someone comparing Kobe and Jordan, even though there are at least 9 to 10 other players who have a better argument to be compared to Michael (not stylistically, but in terms of impact and success).

The average fan sees a 6'6'' wing with similar playing style and is just desperate to compare the two. The average fan also loves Allen Iverson. That's about all I need to know about how much the average fan's opinion is worth.

I got one more for you: Just like everyone rewrote history to make Michael the best since forever (even though everyone thought he was an overrated chucker til he won a championship), and just like everyone is rewriting history now to say Kobe's got 5 rings (even though a few years ago they didn't want to credit him with even one), if Wade starts winning championships again, people are going to say he's been better than Kobe for a while now. That's how it works.

[DayofMourning]

^^^^
Not the typical sportscenter answer. So it can't be right...right?

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

I honestly don't see it. Kobe is a great scorer, but he is also extremely inconsistent due to his shot selection. He doesn't seem to know how to pick his spots or get teammates involved when he is getting double and triple teamed. He is capable of distributing, but more often than not you will see him launching off difficult shots. It was understandable when he played with prime Shaq since he was still young, and when he was playing with Smush and Kwame. But, it isn't like he doesn't have any players who aren't offensively capable of carrying the load anymore. Kobe is a clutch player, but his cold streaks can put his team in a situation where a last second shot shouldn't even be needed if he had played smarter and not wasted possessions earlier in the game. He has all the talent and the tools to be even deadlier than he is, but his mental approach to the game is the biggest obstacle to his game than whoever happens to be guarding him.

I feel that was one of the main reasons why it was difficult for Kobe to score at an efficient rate during the Olympics despite playing with NBA All Stars against international squads. He needs to shoot the ball several times to get on a hot streak, but luckily he did get it going in the last few minutes of the Gold Medal game. When he comes to the clutch Kobe is still the best. Wade on the other hand, due to being able to score within the context of the offensive system, was able to come off the bench and still be an instant offensive spark. He is a smart player who is used to knowing when to pass the ball and when he needs to score without taking away from his teammates. It is the main reason why it was difficult for the Boston defense to stop Wade despite him not being as good of a shooter as Kobe, and the lack of a supporting cast. In theory, guarding Wade is simple, since all you should have to do is give him space and force him to shoot jumpers and pack the paint.

Also, Wade has shown that when he has adequate help around him he can lead a team deep in the postseason, and still score at a highly efficient rate despite the defense attempting to take him entirely out of the equation. The last several seasons have been a waste, and he has nothing to show for it because he hasn't had enough help. But, Kobe couldn't get past the first round either until he got Gasol to keep the defense honest, yet people still recognize his performance against the Suns. The Lakers have won several game in the postseason despite poor offensive outings by Kobe such as 23point/25% fg, 29point/34.5%fg, 21point/31.6%fg performances. Kobe is one of the best NBA players in the league, he is the most talented, and a better defender than Wade or Lebron, but the Lakers could be a lot more deadlier if he played smarter.

For those reasons, while I could see someone saying Kobe is better than Wade he is not superior as you claim he is. And Wade has been overlooked a lot by casual basketball spectators, so his performances and impact do have a tendency to be overlooked. Even during the media circus this offseason the focus has been on Lebron. And during the course of the Olympics Wade could have been argued to be the best player on Team USA the two players always talked about were Kobe and Lebron due to their greater public focus. Wade has always had to create his own hype, since entered the league. I still remember people saying Wade couldn't win without Shaq as if the player that Wade played with was equivalent to prime Shaq. Some people just don't seem to realize what he is capable of.

Now in terms of legacy Kobe will be ranked higher, and Wade won't get another chance to carry a team like he did against the Mavericks. That is something Wade and Lebron have given up the moment they teamed up together, but from just an individual perspective I would take Wade or Lebron with the Lakers supporting cast over one with Kobe. Lebron has also shown the ability to lead a team deep into the play offs, and while he might not be as deadly of player in the final stretches of the game as Kobe his overall impact is bigger. I honestly think had Lebron or Wade been replaced by Kobe on the Lakers squad that it wouldn't have taken seven games to beat the Celtics, and it would have been much more difficult to shut either of them down offensively. I definitely have my bias, and I admit it. But, I stand by it.

considering how fragile people might take a response I'm going to leave it at my original post. You guys can break that down if you'd like.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

considering how fragile people might take a response I'm going to leave it at my original post. You guys can break that down if you'd like.

In other words you have no response. 2/10, I've seen far better trolling efforts.

[DWadeno3]

I honestly don't see it. Kobe is a great scorer, but he is also extremely inconsistent due to his shot selection. He doesn't seem to know how to pick his spots or get teammates involved when he is getting double and triple teamed. He is capable of distributing, but more often than not you will see him launching off difficult shots. It was understandable when he played with prime Shaq since he was still young, and when he was playing with Smush and Kwame. But, it isn't like he doesn't have any players who aren't offensively capable of carrying the load anymore. Kobe is a clutch player, but his cold streaks can put his team in a situation where a last second shot shouldn't even be needed if he had played smarter and not wasted possessions earlier in the game. He has all the talent and the tools to be even deadlier than he is, but his mental approach to the game is the biggest obstacle to his game than whoever happens to be guarding him.

I feel that was one of the main reasons why it was difficult for Kobe to score at an efficient rate during the Olympics despite playing with NBA All Stars against international squads. He needs to shoot the ball several times to get on a hot streak, but luckily he did get it going in the last few minutes of the Gold Medal game. When he comes to the clutch Kobe is still the best. Wade on the other hand, due to being able to score within the context of the offensive system, was able to come off the bench and still be an instant offensive spark. He is a smart player who is used to knowing when to pass the ball and when he needs to score without taking away from his teammates. It is the main reason why it was difficult for the Boston defense to stop Wade despite him not being as good of a shooter as Kobe, and the lack of a supporting cast. In theory, guarding Wade is simple, since all you should have to do is give him space and force him to shoot jumpers and pack the paint.

Also, Wade has shown that when he has adequate help around him he can lead a team deep in the postseason, and still score at a highly efficient rate despite the defense attempting to take him entirely out of the equation. The last several seasons have been a waste, and he has nothing to show for it because he hasn't had enough help. But, Kobe couldn't get past the first round either until he got Gasol to keep the defense honest, yet people still recognize his performance against the Suns. The Lakers have won several game in the postseason despite poor offensive outings by Kobe such as 23point/25% fg, 29point/34.5%fg, 21point/31.6%fg performances. Kobe is one of the best NBA players in the league, he is the most talented, and a better defender than Wade or Lebron, but the Lakers could be a lot more deadlier if he played smarter.

For those reasons, while I could see someone saying Kobe is better than Wade he is not superior as you claim he is. And Wade has been overlooked a lot by casual basketball spectators, so his performances and impact do have a tendency to be overlooked. Even during the media circus this offseason the focus has been on Lebron. And during the course of the Olympics Wade could have been argued to be the best player on Team USA the two players always talked about were Kobe and Lebron due to their greater public focus. Wade has always had to create his own hype, since entered the league. I still remember people saying Wade couldn't win without Shaq as if the player that Wade played with was equivalent to prime Shaq. Some people just don't seem to realize what he is capable of.

Now in terms of legacy Kobe will be ranked higher, and Wade won't get another chance to carry a team like he did against the Mavericks. That is something Wade and Lebron have given up the moment they teamed up together, but from just an individual perspective I would take Wade or Lebron with the Lakers supporting cast over one with Kobe. Lebron has also shown the ability to lead a team deep into the play offs, and while he might not be as deadly of player in the final stretches of the game as Kobe his overall impact is bigger. I honestly think had Lebron or Wade been replaced by Kobe on the Lakers squad that it wouldn't have taken seven games to beat the Celtics, and it would have been much more difficult to shut either of them down offensively. I definitely have my bias, and I admit it. But, I stand by it.

considering how fragile people might take a response I'm going to leave it at my original post. You guys can break that down if you'd like.

Somebody is running out of answers, that's too bad. I hope your team won't run out of answers in the Finals.

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

I've seen far better trolling efforts.

oh word?

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

Somebody is running out of answers, that's too bad. I hope your team won't run out of answers in the Finals.

ah we'll see

[boogydown]

It depends on the fit.

Personally, I think Bosh would actually make the Lakers better being that they have Bynum down low. However, I actually think Gasol would be better down low for Miami as he provides a more complete inside game.

Overall though, Bosh is more gifted offensively, and Gasol is much better defensively. Of course Bosh is also younger, but leaving age aside, I think Gasol is the better fit in Miami.

[dflash3]

considering how fragile people might take a response I'm going to leave it at my original post. You guys can break that down if you'd like.

I explained the reasons why I believe Wade and Lebron are better than Kobe instead of the usual pointless posts where a fan just says player x>>>>player y without attempting to support their viewpoints. Seeing what your reaction was it is pretty clear that all you came onto the Heat board to do was be like any other mindless kobe fanboy and just talk up kobe without any real substance. Your responses have just consisted of insults.

I got one more for you: Just like everyone rewrote history to make Michael the best since forever (even though everyone thought he was an overrated chucker til he won a championship), and just like everyone is rewriting history now to say Kobe's got 5 rings (even though a few years ago they didn't want to credit him with even one), if Wade starts winning championships again, people are going to say he's been better than Kobe for a while now. That's how it works.

Jordan is the best. He was selfish like Kobe and both are ballhogs, but Jordan scored with the precision and efficiency of a center from the guard spot. He was so consistent every game that his ball hogging didn't cost his team possessions, since he converted points at a high rate. Kobe on the other hand is more of a streak shooter, and it isn't unusual to have his team go several straight empty possessions. A typical game for Jordan back in the day would be a game where Kobe caught on fire.

He may have a high basketball IQ, but he also has a surprisingly low one in terms of knowing how to pick his spots and when to pass the ball for the best scoring opportunity for his team. I remember one of his responses by Phil to take less shots was refusing to shoot for an entire first half when all Phil meant by it was to just be smarter when he has a guy like Shaq on the floor with him. And you had Phil complaining again about his shot selection against OKC. The chucking mentality is no longer needed when a player has solid teammates to use to their disposal during the game.

Jordan was the greatest individual player ever to step on the court where other players can only come close to his offensive totals by chucking up shots. It isn't fair to group Jordan in the same category. I can't see any faults in Jordan's offensive game aside from his three point shooting. When he decided to take on five guys by himself and ignore his teammates there wasn't much to criticize, since he made most of his shots.

[garbagnani]

Pau enjoyed a huge transformation to his rep from Memphis to LA.

Bosh will receive the same from Toronto to Miami. Canada isn't the sportscenter capital of the world, LA and NY are.

If you asked me to take the Memphis Pau vs. the Toronto Bosh, then I take Bosh every time. JMO, no homerism because I followed that Pau, JWill, MM, Battier, Stro, Wright team as a backup to our meager years with CB4 and others.

Could not be more accurate

like you said, canada isn't the sportscenter capital of the world. I spend a couple months every winter in south florida, no raps games (unless they play magic/heat). If you really want to know bosh ask the raptor fans, just don't call them trolls when they tell you bosh is overated. its funny bosh went from being underrated to overrated the day he became a UFA.

my honest opinion.... Bosh's primary skill is scoring, second is his rebounding. Bosh is an amazing offensive rebounder! even on the raps where he was go to scorer he was crashing offensive glass a few times a game. i think he will excel at this for the heat. However, Bosh is a pylon defender, he gets schooled by opposing bigs every game, he is not nearly as athletic as you guys think he is, he plays the game mostly below the rim, bottom line.

[Stu Scott]

Pau enjoyed a huge transformation to his rep from Memphis to LA.

Bosh will receive the same from Toronto to Miami. Canada isn't the sportscenter capital of the world, LA and NY are.

If you asked me to take the Memphis Pau vs. the Toronto Bosh, then I take Bosh every time. JMO, no homerism because I followed that Pau, JWill, MM, Battier, Stro, Wright team as a backup to our meager years with CB4 and others.

Could not be more accurate

like you said, canada isn't the sportscenter capital of the world. I spend a couple months every winter in south florida, no raps games (unless they play magic/heat). If you really want to know bosh ask the raptor fans, just don't call them trolls when they tell you bosh is overated. its funny bosh went from being underrated to overrated the day he became a UFA.

my honest opinion.... Bosh's primary skill is scoring, second is his rebounding. Bosh is an amazing offensive rebounder! even on the raps where he was go to scorer he was crashing offensive glass a few times a game. i think he will excel at this for the heat. However, Bosh is a pylon defender, he gets schooled by opposing bigs every game, he is not nearly as athletic as you guys think he is, he plays the game mostly below the rim, bottom line.

This is totally correct. Bosh is a horrible defender. Just terrible. Shaq can, and will molest him downlow in the post. You can bet on it.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

This is totally correct. Bosh is a horrible defender. Just terrible. Shaq can, and will molest him downlow in the post. You can bet on it.

Just what we need, more bitter Raptors fans posting on our board.

[Stu Scott]

This is totally correct. Bosh is a horrible defender. Just terrible. Shaq can, and will molest him downlow in the post. You can bet on it.

Just what we need, more bitter Raptors fans posting on our board.

Dude you think im being bitter? Trust me dude, ive always had this opinion on bosh. You have no clue, ive watched him in almost every game he played this season. Witness shaq demolishing him then come back to me. WATCH.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I'm so bitter about Bosh I'm posting about how much he sucks on the Miami Heat board

I know

[Stu Scott]

I'm so bitter about Bosh I'm posting about how much he sucks on the Miami Heat board

Im a ignorant Miami heat fan who knows absolutely nothing about Chris bosh.

SOOOO clever. See how that works? Bosh is a great player but his defense is horrible. Terrible. You will notice it against all the elite bigs. Even non elite bigs like shaq will have his happy meal on chris bosh. You do not understand this concept at all.

[andre316]

This is totally correct. Bosh is a horrible defender. Just terrible. Shaq can, and will molest him downlow in the post. You can bet on it.

Why would our starting power forward be guarding their backup center. Besides, if the Celtics want to beat us by feeding Shaq in the post, we'll let him go to town. Just stick Magloire on him for a bit and The Big Leprechaun will be gassed and useless for the rest of the half.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

bitterness

Nobody here cares. Please, take it elsewhere.

[dflash3]

I'm so bitter about Bosh I'm posting about how much he sucks on the Miami Heat board

Im a ignorant Miami heat fan who knows absolutely nothing about Chris bosh.

SOOOO clever. See how that works? Bosh is a great player but his defense is horrible. Terrible. You will notice it against all the elite bigs. Even non elite bigs like shaq will have his happy meal on chris bosh. You do not understand this concept at all.

Well there is no denying you aren't bitter about Bosh's departure and you obviously have strong feelings about it, since a complacent person wouldn't be spending so much time bashing one person and repeating the same sentiments over and over again. Only someone with deep seeded emotions would continue to check back over and over again and refreshing the page to see if anyone has responded so you can start complaining again. There is no other reason why I could see someone being so persistent over something like this unless you just like annoying people. In that case that would make you a troll. My guess is you are going to continue posting the same rephrased feelings you have unless you come to your senses and just move on.

[DayofMourning]

Bosh guarding the center spot seemed kind of obviously incorrect. But hey! Who cares? Anything to start an argument.