Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Hallstar]

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/pat-riley-kevin-durant-miami-heat/

Here's Ira again talking about Hassan as a trade chip for Durant.

I have no interest in chasing down Durant, but they couldn't pay both, hell I don't think they can even pay Durant and keep the rest.

[Bishop45]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/youngwhiteside/status/639443940425363460[/tweet]

[ndnow]

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/pat-riley-kevin-durant-miami-heat/

Here's Ira again talking about Hassan as a trade chip for Durant.

I have no interest in chasing down Durant, but they couldn't pay both, hell I don't think they can even pay Durant and keep the rest.

I had that feeling during the Shaq trade, I loved that team pre-Shaq and that run was special to watch they went on to the playoffs. However when you look at the results, from experience, you have to go after Durant.

[Mars]

Hassan Whiteside could spell the difference between good and great for the Heat this season

Manny Navarro | Miami Herald
October 24, 2015

Last year’s top five in Player Efficiency Rating in the NBA — per-minute statistical production — features a rather predictable list of league superstars.

New Orleans’ shot-swatting center Anthony Davis, who signed a league-record $145 million deal this summer, is at the top. He’s followed by league scoring champion Russell Westbrook, 2015 league MVP Stephen Curry, 2014 league MVP Kevin Durant and last year’s players’ selection for league MVP, James Harden.

It’s who is next on the list — ranked ahead of Chris Paul, LeBron James, DeMarcus Cousins, Blake Griffin and LaMarcus Aldridge — who raises a pair of Anthony Davis-sized eyebrows: Heat 7-foot, 265-pound center Hassan Whiteside.

Before the late-November D-League pickup made his big splash, averaging 11.8 points, 10.0 rebounds and 2.56 blocks per game in 48 games, the Heat only had three other players rank in the top 10 in PER since the stat first began being tracked in 2002-03. Those players: James, Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O’Neal.

“His ability last year when we weren’t a good team was impeccable,” Wade said last week when Whiteside returned to practice from a strained right calf that had sidelined him for the first three weeks of training camp. “To have him when you have a pretty good team, it can be that more special.”

That’s what makes Whiteside the x-factor for the Heat entering the 2015-16 season.

If he expands on what he did in just less than 24 minutes a game last season, the Heat could zoom right back into title contention after missing the playoffs for the first time in seven years.

If he just does what he did last year — averaging a double-double and defending the paint at an elite level — he’s still headed toward a monster payday (anywhere from $12 million to $18 million per season).

And if he goes backwards, it’s only going to make what is shaping up to be another interesting summer (when Durant hits the free agent market) only that more interesting...

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[RKL]

Can the Heat offer Whiteside max? What about Wade's contract?

[QUIZ]

Can the Heat offer Whiteside max? What about Wade's contract?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlbertRandom1/status/662051461434630144[/tweet]

[RKL]

Can the Heat offer Whiteside max? What about Wade's contract?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlbertRandom1/status/662051461434630144[/tweet]

If he and Wade receive max like contracts, what about the rest of the roster?

EDIT: Chris Sheridan/Ira Winderman says Heat cannot offer the max to Whiteside.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/11/04/podcast-whitesides-days-in-miami-are-numbered/

[QUIZ]

Can the Heat offer Whiteside max? What about Wade's contract?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlbertRandom1/status/662051461434630144[/tweet]

If he and Wade receive max like contracts, what about the rest of the roster?

EDIT: Chris Sheridan/Ira Winderman says Heat cannot offer the max to Whiteside.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/11/04/podcast-whitesides-days-in-miami-are-numbered/

Why would Wade receive a max contract? That's like $25mill a year.

Wade has a $29mill cap hold to remove that we either have to sign him to a contract less than the cap hold or relinquish his bird rights.

So in short yes we can max Whiteside. You don't have to believe me if you don't want too. We've talked about this topic endlessly. There's a reason no one here worries about it. It's because they already know that we can indeed max him.

[Jody Smokz]

I think the issue is in how it's being communicated. Heat can offer Whiteside max but only outside of bird rights. That means they have to renounce Wade and any other solid expiring player. They have about 48M in guarantees going into next year. If the cap is 90M that means a max for him is 27M. 48+27= 75M. That leaves them with 15M in cap space. Problem this creates is that, lets say Wade has a solid year. What does he ask for with the cap boom? 15M-20M? How do you fill out the rest of the roster with 15M with the cap boom? Bosh, Dragic, McBob and Winslow are only guys in place. They are essentially having to choose Wade vs Whiteside of the worst option chase Durant and have nothing to put with him and then miss out of Whiteside.

[puppa bear]

I think the issue is in how it's being communicated. Heat can offer Whiteside max but only outside of bird rights. That means they have to renounce Wade and any other solid expiring player. They have about 48M in guarantees going into next year. If the cap is 90M that means a max for him is 27M. 48+27= 75M. That leaves them with 15M in cap space. Problem this creates is that, lets say Wade has a solid year. What does he ask for with the cap boom? 15M-20M? How do you fill out the rest of the roster with 15M with the cap boom? Bosh, Dragic, McBob and Winslow are only guys in place. They are essentially having to choose Wade vs Whiteside of the worst option chase Durant and have nothing to put with him and then miss out of Whiteside.

The key here is having to renounce everyone that hasn't resigned. We can resign players to less (ie Rio/Bird/Haslem), or renounce & use the cap exception/vet min on them.

It's possible Wade and Deng would take longer deals at reasonable rates to secure a strong finish to their careers (especially if go well in the PO this year), but that would still require Whiteside to take less than a max contract. In reality he might not be worth it on wealth of production alone, but potential and the market will get him multiple max offers.

I keep questioning if it might be worth selling high on him (packaged with some combo of Deng/Rio/Bird) to secure a long-term player who we know we can resign, or is already locked up, at both the SF & C.

[Jody Smokz]

Doubt it. What Center and SF are they going to get for a guy that a team would inherit without full bird rights? What player would Miami even gain thats as good or slightly less than Whiteside right now that would be worth giving up on him for? I dont see any. Not to mention he's making next to nothing right now, so trading him would be almost impossible if you want high value back

I think the issue is in how it's being communicated. Heat can offer Whiteside max but only outside of bird rights. That means they have to renounce Wade and any other solid expiring player. They have about 48M in guarantees going into next year. If the cap is 90M that means a max for him is 27M. 48+27= 75M. That leaves them with 15M in cap space. Problem this creates is that, lets say Wade has a solid year. What does he ask for with the cap boom? 15M-20M? How do you fill out the rest of the roster with 15M with the cap boom? Bosh, Dragic, McBob and Winslow are only guys in place. They are essentially having to choose Wade vs Whiteside of the worst option chase Durant and have nothing to put with him and then miss out of Whiteside.

The key here is having to renounce everyone that hasn't resigned. We can resign players to less (ie Rio/Bird/Haslem), or renounce & use the cap exception/vet min on them.

It's possible Wade and Deng would take longer deals at reasonable rates to secure a strong finish to their careers (especially if go well in the PO this year), but that would still require Whiteside to take less than a max contract. In reality he might not be worth it on wealth of production alone, but potential and the market will get him multiple max offers.

I keep questioning if it might be worth selling high on him (packaged with some combo of Deng/Rio/Bird) to secure a long-term player who we know we can resign, or is already locked up, at both the SF & C.

[Axel]

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/pat-riley-kevin-durant-miami-heat/

Here's Ira again talking about Hassan as a trade chip for Durant.

I have no interest in chasing down Durant, but they couldn't pay both, hell I don't think they can even pay Durant and keep the rest.

I had that feeling during the Shaq trade, I loved that team pre-Shaq and that run was special to watch they went on to the playoffs. However when you look at the results, from experience, you have to go after Durant.

Durant and Shaq are not comparable.

Shaq had 3 Championships before coming to Miami, and Durant has none. Wade is much more accomplished, and we also have championship mentality with Bosh, RIo, and Coach Spo.

I agree with Hallstar, I have no interest in chasing Durant. We always needed a rim protector, even when we were winning championships. We finally have a legit center, one of the best rim protectors in the league and we need to secure him. I'll certainly lose faith in this franchise if we can't retain the best center we've had since Zo.

[QUIZ]

I think the issue is in how it's being communicated. Heat can offer Whiteside max but only outside of bird rights. That means they have to renounce Wade and any other solid expiring player. They have about 48M in guarantees going into next year. If the cap is 90M that means a max for him is 27M. 48+27= 75M. That leaves them with 15M in cap space. Problem this creates is that, lets say Wade has a solid year. What does he ask for with the cap boom? 15M-20M? How do you fill out the rest of the roster with 15M with the cap boom? Bosh, Dragic, McBob and Winslow are only guys in place. They are essentially having to choose Wade vs Whiteside of the worst option chase Durant and have nothing to put with him and then miss out of Whiteside.

Hassan's max(because of years played) is 25% of the cap. So 22.5mill if the cap is 90mill. 48+22.5= 70.5 So we'd have about $20mill left even if Whiteside get's his full max. I think Whiteside will be able to get the max on the open market regardless of how his season goes but if the Heat feel that they want him here long term we will have the means to offer him all of his money. Next season Wade's gonna be 34 turning 35 we won't throw Whiteside away for him...not that'd we'd have to anyway.

So I'll say it again, there is a reason that no Heat fans here worry about Hassan's contract and that is because after talking about it extensively last season we have all come to the realization that we will indeed have the ability to offer him his full max. So if push comes to shove we have that option so until next summer there really is nothing to worry about.

[QUIZ]

The key here is having to renounce everyone that hasn't resigned. We can resign players to less (ie Rio/Bird/Haslem), or renounce & use the cap exception/vet min on them.

It's possible Wade and Deng would take longer deals at reasonable rates to secure a strong finish to their careers (especially if go well in the PO this year), but that would still require Whiteside to take less than a max contract. In reality he might not be worth it on wealth of production alone, but potential and the market will get him multiple max offers.

I keep questioning if it might be worth selling high on him (packaged with some combo of Deng/Rio/Bird) to secure a long-term player who we know we can resign, or is already locked up, at both the SF & C.

Because of his lack of bird rights Hassan has no trade value. He'd be a one year rental and even worse than that anybody who traded for him would have no advantage over anyone else when it came to signing him. So if a team really wants him they'd be better off going after him in free agency.

[puppa bear]

The key here is having to renounce everyone that hasn't resigned. We can resign players to less (ie Rio/Bird/Haslem), or renounce & use the cap exception/vet min on them.

It's possible Wade and Deng would take longer deals at reasonable rates to secure a strong finish to their careers (especially if go well in the PO this year), but that would still require Whiteside to take less than a max contract. In reality he might not be worth it on wealth of production alone, but potential and the market will get him multiple max offers.

I keep questioning if it might be worth selling high on him (packaged with some combo of Deng/Rio/Bird) to secure a long-term player who we know we can resign, or is already locked up, at both the SF & C.

Because of his lack of bird rights Hassan has no trade value. He'd be a one year rental and even worse than that anybody who traded for him would have no advantage over anyone else when it came to signing him. So if a team really wants him they'd be better off going after him in free agency.

I know, that's the big issue. If we had his bird rights then it's a no-brainer to max him out after going after Durant.

The reality for us is that 2017 is more important. We'll lose Deng next year (in order to sign Whiteside), then have space the following year to add to the core.

[Mars]

[Jody Smokz]

Thanks for the correction on the max percentage.

I think the issue is in how it's being communicated. Heat can offer Whiteside max but only outside of bird rights. That means they have to renounce Wade and any other solid expiring player. They have about 48M in guarantees going into next year. If the cap is 90M that means a max for him is 27M. 48+27= 75M. That leaves them with 15M in cap space. Problem this creates is that, lets say Wade has a solid year. What does he ask for with the cap boom? 15M-20M? How do you fill out the rest of the roster with 15M with the cap boom? Bosh, Dragic, McBob and Winslow are only guys in place. They are essentially having to choose Wade vs Whiteside of the worst option chase Durant and have nothing to put with him and then miss out of Whiteside.

Hassan's max(because of years played) is 25% of the cap. So 22.5mill if the cap is 90mill. 48+22.5= 70.5 So we'd have about $20mill left even if Whiteside get's his full max. I think Whiteside will be able to get the max on the open market regardless of how his season goes but if the Heat feel that they want him here long term we will have the means to offer him all of his money. Next season Wade's gonna be 34 turning 35 we won't throw Whiteside away for him...not that'd we'd have to anyway.

So I'll say it again, there is a reason that no Heat fans here worry about Hassan's contract and that is because after talking about it extensively last season we have all come to the realization that we will indeed have the ability to offer him his full max. So if push comes to shove we have that option so until next summer there really is nothing to worry about.

[gom]

Possibly funnier than the Chalmers threads.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=990374&start=60

Hassan has to constantly prove himself.

[goodboy]

Possibly funnier than the Chalmers threads.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=990374&start=60

Hassan has to constantly prove himself.

Surprised you didnt bump that thread gom. Show em who's the king.

[gom]

Possibly funnier than the Chalmers threads.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=990374&start=60

Hassan has to constantly prove himself.

Surprised you didnt bump that thread gom. Show em who's the king.

I thought about it, but some of that **** is embarrassing. LOL