Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max II

[gom]

Another guy I'd like is Wayne Ellington (for small ball). Made only $1.5 mil last year. We could grab him for a LOT less than Deng. He's 28 years old, a better 3pt shooter, and a better defender.


- Evan Fournier of the Magic (maybe can still get him cheaper than Deng, and hes a lot younger)
- Wayne Ellington of the Nets

there's a bunch of guys we could grab to be better 3&D guys than Deng at half of his salary..... Deng is simply not worth his salary if he's going to be a crappy 3pt shooter. And Deng is also 31. Just no. We already have enough problems with Wade's 3pt shooting. We can't have Deng out there shooting 33%.

We need some young legs at his position to knock down open 3's from Wade/Dragic. With the PG/SG combo we have now, we don't need a SF who can create his own offense. We need a cheap player who can stand at the 3pt line and knock down the open 3 pointer to spread the floor when Dragic/Wade gives the outlet pass. And they need to be able to play defense and do the dirty work to alleviate Wade.

Again, I have no problem adding a player like Ellington but to replace Deng is a step back. Not to mention that Ellington is a guard and can't play the 3 and 4 like Deng can.

Deng is a much better basketball player than Ellington. You realize that he couldn't start on the Nets, right? The Nets? The Nets. !!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we do lose Deng (and that's nothing to hope for), we'll be looking at guys like Mirza Teletovic, Marvin Williams, Jared Dudley, Wesley Johnson, Darrell Arthur.

And I kid you not when I say we might not be able to afford some of THESE guys with our cap situation and teams overpaying like crazy due to cap rise.

Edit : last name I found and might be surprising but I think is very interesting - Meyers Leonard.

The kid is actually a great shooter. Not much of defender if you ask him to anchor your defense, but if we slide him to PF next to Whiteside, they might actually work well together. While he's a 7 footer, Myles is very good 3 point shooter, and mobile enough to defend PF's. His market value might be kinda low, I'm not sure teams view him a starter.

Leonard would be a real nice get. He can shoot for a big and cover at Center when Hassan needs to sit.

[Hoops23]

Wade already made a lot of sacrifices with this team.
He might do some sacrifices again but I doubt it will be less than $15m per year.
Respect Wade!!!

BTW, I agree to someone who said Hassan is not worth the max but he will get his money soon coz of his market value, either with Miami or other team. Take note, Hassan has the option which team he wants to sign with. Miami is not a given.

[Bourne85]

Don't think for one second Riley isn't already considering letting Whiteside walk if he won't take less than the max and going after Biyombo who is in the same situation as Hassan but can be had for much less (maybe 10- 12mil per).

I want Whiteside here, favorite Center in the league. I feel he is the best rim protector in the league. And has a lot of room to grow in offense and defense.

But Riley and Spo may see Biyombo as a good enough C for much cheaper that will set screens, rebound, and most importantly for spo won't need his shots EVER.

I pick Whiteside over him. But what do you guys think of Biyombo? And him likely being our back up plan if Whiteside walks.

[Seabass777]

Don't think for one second Riley isn't already considering letting Whiteside walk if he won't take less than the max and going after Biyombo who is in the same situation as Hassan but can be had for much less (maybe 10- 12mil per).

I want Whiteside here, favorite Center in the league. I feel he is the best rim protector in the league. And has a lot of room to grow in offense and defense.

But Riley and Spo may see Biyombo as a good enough C for much cheaper that will set screens, rebound, and most importantly for spo won't need his shots EVER.

I pick Whiteside over him. But what do you guys think of Biyombo? And him likely being our back up plan if Whiteside walks.

Lets not get lost in the sauce.

[Bourne85]

Don't think for one second Riley isn't already considering letting Whiteside walk if he won't take less than the max and going after Biyombo who is in the same situation as Hassan but can be had for much less (maybe 10- 12mil per).

I want Whiteside here, favorite Center in the league. I feel he is the best rim protector in the league. And has a lot of room to grow in offense and defense.

But Riley and Spo may see Biyombo as a good enough C for much cheaper that will set screens, rebound, and most importantly for spo won't need his shots EVER.

I pick Whiteside over him. But what do you guys think of Biyombo? And him likely being our back up plan if Whiteside walks.

Lets not get lost in the sauce.

Lol there is no "sauce".

Throw out what I said and assume Whiteside simply chooses a different team.

Trust me, Riley has him on the radar. Biyombo put himself there with his excellent emergence since Valuncias went down.

[Chalm Down]

Don't think for one second Riley isn't already considering letting Whiteside walk if he won't take less than the max and going after Biyombo who is in the same situation as Hassan but can be had for much less (maybe 10- 12mil per).

I want Whiteside here, favorite Center in the league. I feel he is the best rim protector in the league. And has a lot of room to grow in offense and defense.

But Riley and Spo may see Biyombo as a good enough C for much cheaper that will set screens, rebound, and most importantly for spo won't need his shots EVER.

I pick Whiteside over him. But what do you guys think of Biyombo? And him likely being our back up plan if Whiteside walks.

Well, according to the Shambles! thread, he's pretty popular.

[IggieCC]

Don't think for one second Riley isn't already considering letting Whiteside walk if he won't take less than the max and going after Biyombo who is in the same situation as Hassan but can be had for much less (maybe 10- 12mil per).

I want Whiteside here, favorite Center in the league. I feel he is the best rim protector in the league. And has a lot of room to grow in offense and defense.

But Riley and Spo may see Biyombo as a good enough C for much cheaper that will set screens, rebound, and most importantly for spo won't need his shots EVER.

I pick Whiteside over him. But what do you guys think of Biyombo? And him likely being our back up plan if Whiteside walks.

Well, according to the Shambles! thread, he's pretty popular.

Beyombo >>> McBob

[Chalm Down]

Don't think for one second Riley isn't already considering letting Whiteside walk if he won't take less than the max and going after Biyombo who is in the same situation as Hassan but can be had for much less (maybe 10- 12mil per).

I want Whiteside here, favorite Center in the league. I feel he is the best rim protector in the league. And has a lot of room to grow in offense and defense.

But Riley and Spo may see Biyombo as a good enough C for much cheaper that will set screens, rebound, and most importantly for spo won't need his shots EVER.

I pick Whiteside over him. But what do you guys think of Biyombo? And him likely being our back up plan if Whiteside walks.

Well, according to the Shambles! thread, he's pretty popular.

Beyombo >>> McBob

I want to Bitchsmack Biyombo you

[Chalm Down]

Omg i suck at replying lately

[IggieCC]

Well, according to the Shambles! thread, he's pretty popular.

Beyombo >>> McBob

I want to Bitchsmack Biyombo you

[IggieCC]

Omg i suck at replying lately

[Chalm Down]

Omg i suck at replying lately

[Hoops23]

one stuff at the sun-sentinel says that it might be good for Miami to used the $20m for two players instead for Hassan...
I think it depends who's these players are.

At this point, I'm hoping to see Hassan, Deng, & Wade back. Hopefully Heat gets an exception to Bosh injury..

[gom]

one stuff at the sun-sentinel says that it might be good for Miami to used the $20m for two players instead for Hassan...
I think it depends who's these players are.

At this point, I'm hoping to see Hassan, Deng, & Wade back. Hopefully Heat gets an exception to Bosh injury..

Don't forget, hoops23, if we take the disabled player exception and Chris cannot play at all next year, we do not get cap relief until next summer. Moreover, we cannot even apply for the DPE and be refused and get cap relief. What this tells me is that the Heat won't even try.

[QUIZ]

one stuff at the sun-sentinel says that it might be good for Miami to used the $20m for two players instead for Hassan...
I think it depends who's these players are.

At this point, I'm hoping to see Hassan, Deng, & Wade back. Hopefully Heat gets an exception to Bosh injury..

Don't forget, hoops23, if we take the disabled player exception and Chris cannot play at all next year, we do not get cap relief until next summer. Moreover, we cannot even apply for the DPE and be refused and get cap relief. What this tells me is that the Heat won't even try.

Well technically we'd get cap relief before the trade deadline right gom? If it's determined that CB can't play by 2/9/17 and we apply to the league to have his salary removed from our cap. Which could offer us some flexibility.

For example if Chris Paul were to decide that he wanted out of LA with CB's $24mill gone we'd have more options when it comes to matching salaries correct? We wouldn't have to unload an equal ammount of salary on them because we'd have the available cap space for them to trade into.

[gom]

one stuff at the sun-sentinel says that it might be good for Miami to used the $20m for two players instead for Hassan...
I think it depends who's these players are.

At this point, I'm hoping to see Hassan, Deng, & Wade back. Hopefully Heat gets an exception to Bosh injury..

Don't forget, hoops23, if we take the disabled player exception and Chris cannot play at all next year, we do not get cap relief until next summer. Moreover, we cannot even apply for the DPE and be refused and get cap relief. What this tells me is that the Heat won't even try.

Well technically we'd get cap relief before the trade deadline right gom? If it's determined that CB can't play by 2/9/17 and we apply to the league to have his salary removed from our cap. Which could offer us some flexibility.

For example if Chris Paul were to decide that he wanted out of LA with CB's $24mill gone we'd have more options when it comes to matching salaries correct? We wouldn't have to unload an equal ammount of salary on them because we'd have the available cap space for them to trade into.

Unless we apply for (even if we don't receive) a disabled player exception, Quiz. It's one or the other. If we don't apply for a DPE, we get the cap space on 2/9/17 if Chris cannot return.

[HIF]

Hassan isn't worth the Max as a player.

But considering the market is starving for Centers.... some team will give him a lot of money.

So we're stuck with him.

Now that's a sales pitch if I've ever heard one. He could leave for nothing you know.

Get ready for an unpopular opinion. Here goes. We could always sign him long term, and then trade him during the season for someone else.

He's 26 yrs old and is always nursing some small injury and now it kept him out of crucial playoff games vs the Raps. He's too young to be missing games for what looked like a small physical contact. He injured his knee in Game 1, then he re-injures it again in Game 3 on a play where he fell down through small contact. That's no good to me at his age.

He also got exposed on D big time.

And remember, this is "Well behaved, I'm playing for a max contract" Hassan Whiteside. What happens when he gets it? Hassan's track record tells me he doesn't have the fire to be great. You really think the Heat can fix his personality and desire to be a great player? Yeah, I remember Riley's project on guys like Ike Austin, I think he used to be fat and turned into a competent player? But you want to give a project player with red flags a max contract?

So look. We got no choice but to sign him for whatever Riley can get away with, I guess. But I'd look into trading him ASAP while he's putting up good stats during the Reg season.


- Keep Dragic
- Keep Wade
- Hope Bosh takes the bait and medically retires..... if not we gotta get rid of his salary some other way ASAP
- Turn Whiteside into other more reliable pieces to help Spo play small ball all day

Does someone pay you to be full of ****?

Whiteside is our only hope.

[HIF]

We don't need Deng and he's getting old.

We need more garbagemen on this Heat team. Guys who will grab boards and fight in the paint.

Sounds like what Luol Deng can give you at his very least.

Garbagemen don't make $10 mil. Deng's too expensive. And he doesn't take enough 3's, or shoot it well enough, for my liking.

Would be better to have a much younger, really good 3&D guy who can do the dirty work on this team for Wade/Dragic etc...... he'd be a lot cheaper, and then we can use the rest of the money on bench depth.

A team of garbage with Zoran to lead them.

Glad you're not Riley.

[HIF]

Another guy I'd like is Wayne Ellington (for small ball). Made only $1.5 mil last year. We could grab him for a LOT less than Deng. He's 28 years old, a better 3pt shooter, and a better defender.


- Evan Fournier of the Magic (maybe can still get him cheaper than Deng, and hes a lot younger)
- Wayne Ellington of the Nets

there's a bunch of guys we could grab to be better 3&D guys than Deng at half of his salary..... Deng is simply not worth his salary if he's going to be a crappy 3pt shooter. And Deng is also 31. Just no. We already have enough problems with Wade's 3pt shooting. We can't have Deng out there shooting 33%.

We need some young legs at his position to knock down open 3's from Wade/Dragic. With the PG/SG combo we have now, we don't need a SF who can create his own offense. We need a cheap player who can stand at the 3pt line and knock down the open 3 pointer to spread the floor when Dragic/Wade gives the outlet pass. And they need to be able to play defense and do the dirty work to alleviate Wade.

Evan Fournier will get as much as Deng this season.

You're talking out your ass.