MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.5 - What Time Is It?

[puppa bear]

I think a lot of people are sleeping on Gabe. he was disappointing last year but if can just hit the 3's like he showed he can (pre-NBA) he could become a sneakily good PG with above average defense, shooting and IQ.


We have alot of question marks on the roster, all these players could end up being anything from very good to chit :

Gabe
Strus
Dipo
Tucker
Omer
KZ
Morris

Half the roster of a "contending" team is legitimately questionable.....I think those questions have to be asked if this year goes sideways.

We will go as far as the star players (Butler, Bam, and Lowry) take us. This is the same for every team in the league. What team has role players without question marks?

IF this Heat season ends up falling short, it will be Jimmy, Bam, and Lowry needing to answer questions.

I think we need to add Herro to that list. Until we see his bounce-back season, he’s an unknown factor. He may be that fringe star that changes enough games off the bench that he gets us further than we would have otherwise. Or he may just be an inefficient chucked.

But possibly also take Tucker off it: we bought (but paid too much) someone to defend the teams best big each night & free Bam up to score. If Bam still has to carry the load then PJ was a waste. If not, and we see Bam unleashed on the offensive side, then he was worth signing.

Dipo is a funny one though, because if he heals and finds form we could have an all-star level player on a vet min deal. He’s a gamble, based on how he’s been the past 2-3 years. But if it pays off it’s one hell of a payday in the PO!

The rest I’m just hoping can be nett neutral. If they are positive, then we win pretty big with them.

[RexBoyWonder]

Half the roster of a "contending" team is legitimately questionable.....I think those questions have to be asked if this year goes sideways.

We will go as far as the star players (Butler, Bam, and Lowry) take us. This is the same for every team in the league. What team has role players without question marks?

IF this Heat season ends up falling short, it will be Jimmy, Bam, and Lowry needing to answer questions.

I think we need to add Herro to that list. Until we see his bounce-back season, he’s an unknown factor. He may be that fringe star that changes enough games off the bench that he gets us further than we would have otherwise. Or he may just be an inefficient chucked.

But possibly also take Tucker off it: we bought (but paid too much) someone to defend the teams best big each night & free Bam up to score. If Bam still has to carry the load then PJ was a waste. If not, and we see Bam unleashed on the offensive side, then he was worth signing.

Dipo is a funny one though, because if he heals and finds form we could have an all-star level player on a vet min deal. He’s a gamble, based on how he’s been the past 2-3 years. But if it pays off it’s one hell of a payday in the PO!

The rest I’m just hoping can be nett neutral. If they are positive, then we win pretty big with them.

I don't think it's just about the "big 3", I think we need 4 of these guys to really step up

Gabe/Strus/Herro/Dipo - We need 2 of them to be consistent above average players to help Lowry and Duncan.


Tucker/Omer/KZ/Morris - Again, we need 2 of them to play decently on both ends to take pressure of Bam and Dedmon.

I'm having trouble finding 2 names on each list I have complete confidence in.

[RexBoyWonder]

We will go as far as the star players (Butler, Bam, and Lowry) take us. This is the same for every team in the league. What team has role players without question marks?

IF this Heat season ends up falling short, it will be Jimmy, Bam, and Lowry needing to answer questions.

I think we need to add Herro to that list. Until we see his bounce-back season, he’s an unknown factor. He may be that fringe star that changes enough games off the bench that he gets us further than we would have otherwise. Or he may just be an inefficient chucked.

But possibly also take Tucker off it: we bought (but paid too much) someone to defend the teams best big each night & free Bam up to score. If Bam still has to carry the load then PJ was a waste. If not, and we see Bam unleashed on the offensive side, then he was worth signing.

Dipo is a funny one though, because if he heals and finds form we could have an all-star level player on a vet min deal. He’s a gamble, based on how he’s been the past 2-3 years. But if it pays off it’s one hell of a payday in the PO!

The rest I’m just hoping can be nett neutral. If they are positive, then we win pretty big with them.

I don't think it's just about the "big 3", I think we need 4 of these guys to really step up

Gabe/Strus/Herro/Dipo - We need 2 of them to be consistent above average players to help Lowry and Duncan.


Tucker/Omer/KZ/Morris - Again, we need 2 of them to play decently on both ends to take pressure of Bam and Dedmon.

I'm having trouble finding 2 names on each list I have complete confidence in.

Also the worst thing I can see hapening is Spo keeps shuffling all of them in and outs of the rotations, keeps changing the lineups and roles and not letting any of them develop any confidence or get any type of rhythm.

[twix2500]

I think we need to add Herro to that list. Until we see his bounce-back season, he’s an unknown factor. He may be that fringe star that changes enough games off the bench that he gets us further than we would have otherwise. Or he may just be an inefficient chucked.

But possibly also take Tucker off it: we bought (but paid too much) someone to defend the teams best big each night & free Bam up to score. If Bam still has to carry the load then PJ was a waste. If not, and we see Bam unleashed on the offensive side, then he was worth signing.

Dipo is a funny one though, because if he heals and finds form we could have an all-star level player on a vet min deal. He’s a gamble, based on how he’s been the past 2-3 years. But if it pays off it’s one hell of a payday in the PO!

The rest I’m just hoping can be nett neutral. If they are positive, then we win pretty big with them.

I don't think it's just about the "big 3", I think we need 4 of these guys to really step up

Gabe/Strus/Herro/Dipo - We need 2 of them to be consistent above average players to help Lowry and Duncan.


Tucker/Omer/KZ/Morris - Again, we need 2 of them to play decently on both ends to take pressure of Bam and Dedmon.

I'm having trouble finding 2 names on each list I have complete confidence in.

Also the worst thing I can see hapening is Spo keeps shuffling all of them in and outs of the rotations, keeps changing the lineups and roles and not letting any of them develop any confidence or get any type of rhythm.

Rex C'Mon that is what he will do until all star break. It is not even IF. That is pre planned.

[Heat_team02]

Jarrett Jack is looking good in the Big 3 games airing on CBS in the Bahamas.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Rondo to the Lakers. Phuck that guy

[MorbidHEAT]

Rondo to the Lakers. Phuck that guy

Thank God. Seeing that guy in a Heat jersey would have made me want to vomit.

Isiah Thomas Jr is still available. It's hard to believe that he can't even be a backup point guard somewhere for the minimum.

[Wiltside]

Dipo is pretty much the wildcard to our season IMO.

I'd like to be wrong, but I think Bam is who he is now. That doesn't mean he can't become a better midrange shooter (his FT% are solid for a big, so the stroke is there), but I just don't see an alpha scorer there. I can't see that changing. Now, he's still a very valuable piece and does a lot for us on both sides of the ball - but he's not gonna be the guy you can throw it to in the midpost and say 'take us home'.

For us to legitimately compete, its gotta be by committee. We are pretty deep, and our top 8 is up there with one of the better ones in the NBA. But I fear that if we keep going the route we went last season and playing so small all the time, we're going to be spinning the wheels again.

The NBA has changed. We can't have PJ Tucker doing his best Battier impression out there.

I really hope Spo is coming around to playing Bam more at the 4 with a true big like Yurt or Dedmon, and I hope both Yurt and Ded have the green light to shoot the three.

[Bishop45]

Would bring back Dion to play second string PG, before Gabe

[3ballbomber]

Would bring back Dion to play second string PG, before Gabe

[Hallstar]

Would bring back Dion to play second string PG, before Gabe

Lol, I take the year off at that point.

[dagger151]

Dipo is pretty much the wildcard to our season IMO.

I'd like to be wrong, but I think Bam is who he is now. That doesn't mean he can't become a better midrange shooter (his FT% are solid for a big, so the stroke is there), but I just don't see an alpha scorer there. I can't see that changing. Now, he's still a very valuable piece and does a lot for us on both sides of the ball - but he's not gonna be the guy you can throw it to in the midpost and say 'take us home'.

For us to legitimately compete, its gotta be by committee. We are pretty deep, and our top 8 is up there with one of the better ones in the NBA. But I fear that if we keep going the route we went last season and playing so small all the time, we're going to be spinning the wheels again.

The NBA has changed. We can't have PJ Tucker doing his best Battier impression out there.

I really hope Spo is coming around to playing Bam more at the 4 with a true big like Yurt or Dedmon, and I hope both Yurt and Ded have the green light to shoot the three.

Agreed. Bam has the extra value from his Defense being able to guard several positions and switch with ease. Its safe to count on him for 18-20 a game, but he isnt going to be our leading scorer and go to guy nightly. We dont have any "go to" guys at the moment. Its a committee approach, but we have some savvy playoff tested vets and that has major value, especially as the season wears on. We're deep but dont have a legit superstar in their prime right now. I like our chances if we can catch a break, but a healthy Brooklyn scares me.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Spo can commit to giving Bam a lot of time at PF we are going to be in a really good place. As it is now having someone like Marfieff Morris who's essentially going to be like having a true second big that can play center with Bam will help a ton. If Yurtseven breaks out or if Dedmon can get back to his three point shooting ways the front court will be a huge strength. Spo gets his small ball fix with PJ Tucker but PJ though short in stature still helps take pressure off Bam with his burly frame and 7'0 wingspan. I don't think many realize how much pressure Bam was under last year having to play with Iguodala and Ariza at the 4. It was no mistake we got swept off the floor by the Bucks. This year we match up a lot better. PJ Tucker is such a pain in the ass defensively for anyone. He's a tank you can't back down and he can cover the perimeter like a bull dog.

[AirP.]

If Spo can commit to giving Bam a lot of time at PF we are going to be in a really good place. As it is now having someone like Marfieff Morris who's essentially going to be like having a true second big that can play center with Bam will help a ton. If Yurtseven breaks out or if Dedmon can get back to his three point shooting ways the front court will be a huge strength. Spo gets his small ball fix with PJ Tucker but PJ though short in stature still helps take pressure off Bam with his burly frame and 7'0 wingspan. I don't think many realize how much pressure Bam was under last year having to play with Iguodala and Ariza at the 4. It was no mistake we got swept off the floor by the Bucks. This year we match up a lot better. PJ Tucker is such a pain in the ass defensively for anyone. He's a tank you can't back down and he can cover the perimeter like a bull dog.

So you don't think Yurtseven's going to be in the D-League learning Miami's system? Bam, Tucker, Dedmon and Morris are all in front of him so if Miami wants him getting reps(which I expect they want) it's going to be in the D-League.

[IceColdCubano]

If Spo can commit to giving Bam a lot of time at PF we are going to be in a really good place. As it is now having someone like Marfieff Morris who's essentially going to be like having a true second big that can play center with Bam will help a ton. If Yurtseven breaks out or if Dedmon can get back to his three point shooting ways the front court will be a huge strength. Spo gets his small ball fix with PJ Tucker but PJ though short in stature still helps take pressure off Bam with his burly frame and 7'0 wingspan. I don't think many realize how much pressure Bam was under last year having to play with Iguodala and Ariza at the 4. It was no mistake we got swept off the floor by the Bucks. This year we match up a lot better. PJ Tucker is such a pain in the ass defensively for anyone. He's a tank you can't back down and he can cover the perimeter like a bull dog.

So you don't think Yurtseven's going to be in the D-League learning Miami's system? Bam, Tucker, Dedmon and Morris are all in front of him so if Miami wants him getting reps(which I expect they want) it's going to be in the D-League.

Exactly!!! unless Yurt is out there on the D-league showing total domination he won't be suiting up in our lineups.
Were talking he is out there scoring 25+ with 10+ rebounds along with 37-45%+ 3pt% hittin 3-5 3pt's per game. for atleast 5-10 games straight right off the bat. Miami won't even hesitate to leave him there getting reps. kinda like the whiteside factor, were he just went out there and looked like he was playing against middle schoolers. Rotation players will usually stand out, the bigger that difference the greater the potential to be pulled and be successful in the NBA. If he goes out there and just looks above average he will stay in the D-league for an entire year unless someone gets hurt and we need able bodies. Count on small ball being the go to sword in our offense until otherwise, we don't have size to play traditional.

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I hope Bosh is truly in his ear. Bam has to evolve from being a role playing aka Kenyon Martin to a go too player star like Chris Webber.

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

If Spo can commit to giving Bam a lot of time at PF we are going to be in a really good place. As it is now having someone like Marfieff Morris who's essentially going to be like having a true second big that can play center with Bam will help a ton. If Yurtseven breaks out or if Dedmon can get back to his three point shooting ways the front court will be a huge strength. Spo gets his small ball fix with PJ Tucker but PJ though short in stature still helps take pressure off Bam with his burly frame and 7'0 wingspan. I don't think many realize how much pressure Bam was under last year having to play with Iguodala and Ariza at the 4. It was no mistake we got swept off the floor by the Bucks. This year we match up a lot better. PJ Tucker is such a pain in the ass defensively for anyone. He's a tank you can't back down and he can cover the perimeter like a bull dog.

So you don't think Yurtseven's going to be in the D-League learning Miami's system? Bam, Tucker, Dedmon and Morris are all in front of him so if Miami wants him getting reps(which I expect they want) it's going to be in the D-League.

Exactly!!! unless Yurt is out there on the D-league showing total domination he won't be suiting up in our lineups.
Were talking he is out there scoring 25+ with 10+ rebounds along with 37-45%+ 3pt% hittin 3-5 3pt's per game. for atleast 5-10 games straight right off the bat. Miami won't even hesitate to leave him there getting reps. kinda like the whiteside factor, were he just went out there and looked like he was playing against middle schoolers. Rotation players will usually stand out, the bigger that difference the greater the potential to be pulled and be successful in the NBA. If he goes out there and just looks above average he will stay in the D-league for an entire year unless someone gets hurt and we need able bodies. Count on small ball being the go to sword in our offense until otherwise, we don't have size to play traditional.

Yurtseven is beyond g-league. Spo has already shown he's willing to start rookies or 2nd year players as long as it's logical to do so. Nunn and Herro are good examples. Yurtseven outplaying Tucker won't be difficult as long as he plays good defense.

[3ballbomber]

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I hope Bosh is truly in his ear. Bam has to evolve from being a role playing aka Kenyon Martin to a go too player star like Chris Webber.

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I think Bam knows what's up by now. The awareness of what we need of him to help make us compete at a higher level. The pressure is on him this season....unless that money will continue to have him comfortable. . .

Time will tell

[gom]

I wish I were excited as you guys are. Maybe preseason games will change my perspective, but I'm not seeing the path to success now. I do think we'll make the playoffs, hopefully avoiding the play-in, but getting past one of the top seeds will be very challenging unless there is dramatic progress with some of our players. Crossing my fingers.