Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[Wiltside]

A notable wrinkle in our offense that I think explains a lot.

Bam has only 6 assists through 4 games so far this season. I'm seeing a LOT less dribble hand-off, which would help explain Duncan's struggles a little too. He has been super reliant on Bam's hand-off and screen to get open and hit threes the past few seasons. Duncan is going to have to find new ways to get open and impact the game, and the coaching staff needs to get him in lineups where he can let it fly. Might mean busting out more of the Ray Allen / Wayne Ellington playbook off the curl.

We seem to be putting Bam in the role of finisher a lot more, and having him operate in the mid/low post almost exclusively. Whether this is screen and roll / screen and pop, he's getting to the bucket, hitting the foul line J or facing up. Bigs are still guarding him with space as they're more concerned with his ability to blow by them than they are with his jump shot right now. Teams will start to crowd him and wise up as his J is becoming a big part of his arsenal. They'll make him put it on the deck. Fortunately for us, he has a good handle and is good at drawing fouls, and makes his FT's at a solid rate for a big (~80%).

With Lowry now in tow, he's being (rightfully) cast as the primary playmaker, with Jimmy secondary. We're seeing Jimmy do a lot more damage in the midrange off post-ups, and also low post opportunities and short floaters/push shots. Herro is then coming in and being the other primary playmaker and shot creator, often alongside Lowry after he takes his early seat. This is all pushing Bam back to being a third level facilitator, with more of a focus on being a finisher of the play, as the coaching staff have determined our old dribble hand-off offense was a big reason why we sucked last season and ranked so poorly on the offensive end.

[dean456]

Wall isn't coming here. I'd like him here, but I don't see him coming off the bench at this point of his career.

Maybe the Nets?

The theory is if Wall signs at mid season for the min for a few months that being able to stay home in Miami while be in the playoffs is very attractive option. And next summer he gets a permanent job somewhere

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I think this is pretty key.

Things that are in our favour.
1. He lives here and works out here in offseason.
2. He played with Markieff in his final 3yrs in Washington and played with Oladipo and Tucker briefly in Houston so maybe those relationships play a part.
3. He fits the makeup of this team very well.
4. Great chance at a championship. We've already beat the breaks off the two favourites in the East so far. Already looking like the best defense in the league without adding him or Oladipo.
5. Heat have good track record of extending the careers of injured/older players.
6. He's a Kentucky guy who we know Pat loves.
7. We can offer the BAE where most other teams can only offer the Vet Min.

Things against us.
1. Not getting a starting role and sharing minutes with Lowry.
2. He's leaving somewhere up to 90mil on the table to get a buyout and would likely want an opportunity to earn a new contract.
3. Houston may just find a trade partner for him. (unlikely)

[dean456]

A notable wrinkle in our offense that I think explains a lot.

Bam has only 6 assists through 4 games so far this season. I'm seeing a LOT less dribble hand-off, which would help explain Duncan's struggles a little too. He has been super reliant on Bam's hand-off and screen to get open and hit threes the past few seasons. Duncan is going to have to find new ways to get open and impact the game, and the coaching staff needs to get him in lineups where he can let it fly. Might mean busting out more of the Ray Allen / Wayne Ellington playbook off the curl.

We seem to be putting Bam in the role of finisher a lot more, and having him operate in the mid/low post almost exclusively. Whether this is screen and roll / screen and pop, he's getting to the bucket, hitting the foul line J or facing up. Bigs are still guarding him with space as they're more concerned with his ability to blow by them than they are with his jump shot right now. Teams will start to crowd him and wise up as his J is becoming a big part of his arsenal. They'll make him put it on the deck. Fortunately for us, he has a good handle and is good at drawing fouls, and makes his FT's at a solid rate for a big (~80%).

With Lowry now in tow, he's being (rightfully) cast as the primary playmaker, with Jimmy secondary. We're seeing Jimmy do a lot more damage in the midrange off post-ups, and also low post opportunities and short floaters/push shots. Herro is then coming in and being the other primary playmaker and shot creator, often alongside Lowry after he takes his early seat. This is all pushing Bam back to being a third level facilitator, with more of a focus on being a finisher of the play, as the coaching staff have determined our old dribble hand-off offense was a big reason why we sucked last season and ranked so poorly on the offensive end.

Yeah this is true. I've noticed a significant drop off of either Lowry's ability or tendency to attack the paint and lure defenders compared to his time playing in Toronto. If Lowry was the one breaking down the defense he'd be able to kick it out to either an open Robinson or someone who can hockey assist to Robinson more.

Feel like this could be that Toronto had more bigs who could space the floor and pop on PnR's making the paint less contested for Lowry to attack. If Bam developed the ability to pop for a shot rather than roll on every pick and roll this would force more help from the corners forcing opposing teams to rotate leaving more guys open from 3. But until then as long as Bam is staying aggressive I think that leads to us winning more games than over using him as a guy to get Robinson 2-3 more made shots from 3 per game. Also think Robinson will get comfortable and adjust to his new role and improve his efficiency by the end of the year.

[Hallstar]

A notable wrinkle in our offense that I think explains a lot.

Bam has only 6 assists through 4 games so far this season. I'm seeing a LOT less dribble hand-off, which would help explain Duncan's struggles a little too. He has been super reliant on Bam's hand-off and screen to get open and hit threes the past few seasons. Duncan is going to have to find new ways to get open and impact the game, and the coaching staff needs to get him in lineups where he can let it fly. Might mean busting out more of the Ray Allen / Wayne Ellington playbook off the curl.

We seem to be putting Bam in the role of finisher a lot more, and having him operate in the mid/low post almost exclusively. Whether this is screen and roll / screen and pop, he's getting to the bucket, hitting the foul line J or facing up. Bigs are still guarding him with space as they're more concerned with his ability to blow by them than they are with his jump shot right now. Teams will start to crowd him and wise up as his J is becoming a big part of his arsenal. They'll make him put it on the deck. Fortunately for us, he has a good handle and is good at drawing fouls, and makes his FT's at a solid rate for a big (~80%).

With Lowry now in tow, he's being (rightfully) cast as the primary playmaker, with Jimmy secondary. We're seeing Jimmy do a lot more damage in the midrange off post-ups, and also low post opportunities and short floaters/push shots. Herro is then coming in and being the other primary playmaker and shot creator, often alongside Lowry after he takes his early seat. This is all pushing Bam back to being a third level facilitator, with more of a focus on being a finisher of the play, as the coaching staff have determined our old dribble hand-off offense was a big reason why we sucked last season and ranked so poorly on the offensive end.

agree with everything

[BenoUdrihFTL]

First week in the books and we're leading the league in:

- SRS
- Points differential
- Defensive rating
- Net rating
- Defensive rebounding

If that's not impressive enough, just imagine where we'd be if DemonOP wasn't allowed to start game threads

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

we're looking decent, but whats up with Yimmy? he still looks off to me

[dean456]

we're looking decent, but whats up with Yimmy? he still looks off to me

Seems better than ever to me, looking more athletic than previous years, missing some easy layups but other than that he's

23.3ppg/6.8rpg/5.3apg/3.3spg 48FG% and 33 3Pt%

[GameTime_3]

The only player that scares me right now is Duncan. Not because of the slow start but we saw alot of this last year as well. When teams press him, dont give him the open look, he just doesnt do enough of the other things. With the current roster, we aren't running the offense for Ducan to take 8-10, 3's of picks and screens. Hopefully he finds the groove that got him paid or I can see Riley at deadline making a move as Strus also looking decent as a replacement for much much cheaper

[Wiltside]

The only player that scares me right now is Duncan. Not because of the slow start but we saw alot of this last year as well. When teams press him, dont give him the open look, he just doesnt do enough of the other things. With the current roster, we aren't running the offense for Ducan to take 8-10, 3's of picks and screens. Hopefully he finds the groove that got him paid or I can see Riley at deadline making a move as Strus also looking decent as a replacement for much much cheaper

I'm hoping it's just a shooters slump more than anything else. He's too good a shooter to be bricking the looks he's getting. Dude even hit the side of the backboard on one last night.

I do get the feeling, like you, that Duncan perhaps is more a Spo thing than a Riley thing. The issue is - if he is playing like he should - he offers the spacing that we desperately need. If he's not playing he should, he's probably a negative trade asset that's hard to get replacement value/upgrade for.

If the Kings start falling back in the standings, I could see Riley looking for a Robinson for Harrison Barnes type trade. This would allow us to shift Tucker to the bench, and go with Herro at the 2.

I know a lot of us remember HB as the guy who bricked 1,000,000 open threes for the Warriors, but he has become a solid shooter over this career and is a more dynamic scoring threat than Duncan is regardless.

Lowry / Oladipo
Herro / Strus
Butler / Tucker / Okpala
Barnes / Morris
Adebayo / Dedmon / Yurtseven / Haslem

Would probably want to go buyout shopping for guard depth though.

Kings would be:

Fox / Mitchell
Haliburton / Hield
Robinson / Davis
Bagley / Harkless
Holmes / Len

Barnes has started the season red hot though, so he'd have to cool off considerably for the Kings to look at it. Even then we'd probably have to throw in more.

[RexBoyWonder]

The only player that scares me right now is Duncan. Not because of the slow start but we saw alot of this last year as well. When teams press him, dont give him the open look, he just doesnt do enough of the other things. With the current roster, we aren't running the offense for Ducan to take 8-10, 3's of picks and screens. Hopefully he finds the groove that got him paid or I can see Riley at deadline making a move as Strus also looking decent as a replacement for much much cheaper

I think he said he'll use this past offseason to work on his 2 point game - 2 dribbles pull ups from mid range, getting to the rim when people run out to him.

Not sure I've seen him do this even once yet.

[IceColdCubano]

The only player that scares me right now is Duncan. Not because of the slow start but we saw alot of this last year as well. When teams press him, dont give him the open look, he just doesnt do enough of the other things. With the current roster, we aren't running the offense for Ducan to take 8-10, 3's of picks and screens. Hopefully he finds the groove that got him paid or I can see Riley at deadline making a move as Strus also looking decent as a replacement for much much cheaper

I think he said he'll use this past offseason to work on his 2 point game - 2 dribbles pull ups from mid range, getting to the rim when people run out to him.

Not sure I've seen him do this even once yet.

Hoping that the emphasis he put on this part of the game didn’t come at a hindrance to his 3pt mechanics.

[carnageta]

[BenoUdrihFTL]

^^^

[RexBoyWonder]

“Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.”

He might not be as good, but I like his high ambitions.

As long as he plays good enough to even be in that conversation, we'll be in a damn good place as a team.

I don't think he'll ever sniff Luka's level, but if he continues to work hard I see reason to think he can't be in Young's tier. their both have physicals limitations but Herro isn't as small, Herro might be the better 3 point shooter, while young will be the better passer and ball handler.

Again, while Luka and Trae are clearly the leading men on their teams, Herro is the third/4th banana on the Heat, so as long as he's even in the conversation of being in their tier - we're in a great spot.

[RexBoyWonder]

BTW, an idea I've has since the offseason - I swear it's not because of his lateset struggles and I do believe he'll play a lot better soon enough. But stylistically how would you feel about :

Duncan Robinson + some sort of sweetener (Omer? future second rounder?)
For
Myles Turner

Reasons I've been thinking about this is :

1) I think Herro might take Duncans place at some point.
2) I think Strus can replace some of what Duncan's provides (in a different way)
3) Turner is on the trading block
4) Turner is the rare type of Center that can space the floor for Bam while providing great size and rim protection.


Basically the idea is the clear out some of the log jam at SG (Herro/Duncan/Strus/Martin) in order to improve our weakest position - the second big next to Bam (Old Tucker and unreliable Morris)

Thoughts?

[AirP.]

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[puppa bear]

BTW, an idea I've has since the offseason - I swear it's not because of his lateset struggles and I do believe he'll play a lot better soon enough. But stylistically how would you feel about :

Duncan Robinson + some sort of sweetener (Omer? future second rounder?)
For
Myles Turner

Reasons I've been thinking about this is :

1) I think Herro might take Duncans place at some point.
2) I think Strus can replace some of what Duncan's provides (in a different way)
3) Turner is on the trading block
4) Turner is the rare type of Center that can space the floor for Bam while providing great size and rim protection.


Basically the idea is the clear out some of the log jam at SG (Herro/Duncan/Strus/Martin) in order to improve our weakest position - the second big next to Bam (Old Tucker and unreliable Morris)

Thoughts?

Would be a great trade for us, but they don’t really have someone ready to slide across to PF next to Sabonis in that starting line-up. Adding Robinson would help their spacing, but create a need for some more size.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Max Strus has to miss any significant time I don't think it would be a bad idea to run out and sign James Ennis or Wes Matthews with the final roster spot. Look to trade KZ Okpala at the deadline using a 2nd in a salary dump deal.

[dshearn]

If Max Strus has to miss any significant time I don't think it would be a bad idea to run out and sign James Ennis or Wes Matthews with the final roster spot. Look to trade KZ Okpala at the deadline using a 2nd in a salary dump deal.

Wonder if Caleb Martin is for real, funny if Miami just stumbled out of the bar broke and found yet ANOTHER guy who you can just plug in and get instant energy from.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Max Strus has to miss any significant time I don't think it would be a bad idea to run out and sign James Ennis or Wes Matthews with the final roster spot. Look to trade KZ Okpala at the deadline using a 2nd in a salary dump deal.

Wonder if Caleb Martin is for real, funny if Miami just stumbled out of the bar broke and found yet ANOTHER guy who you can just plug in and get instant energy from.

He actually looked really competent. Reminds me of what DJJ brought to us. Don’t trust his three point shot though so adding another proven three point shooter on the wing as added insurance would’t be a bad idea.