Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4

[twix2500]

I have no problem with the plays that sets it up, its the decisions that Bam makes on actually passing instead using the space created by the action to score for self. The play in itself is for bam to be the decision maker and to create space for him. But he looks off his option to score for self way too often. The play is there for him to dominate but he becomes submissive

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[Heat_Down_Under]

Some people just aren't open to different views.

Just tonight, some people were dismissing Strus as nothing more than a clone of Duncan Robinson, even as Strus was showcasing his versatility, then talking about how it doesn't fix our problems, which wasn't even the original subject.

Exactly.. tonight is also proof that if you give a player a chance they will show you what they can do. Knowing how good strus played (and he did outplay duncan), spo will most likely start duncan again next game and when fans start asking for strus back they will all get flamed with “wouldn’t make a difference” (from the duncan fans). You can never win with fans.

This is insanity.

As I said you can never win with fans…

[Beenie]

Interesting development:

* Duncan shot 5-8 from 3 against the Kings.
* None of those 3PTMs came from DHOs.
* He had 1 3PTA DHO with Bam and he missed it.
* He had 1ast and it came off a Bam DHO.

So it seems that keeping Bam and Duncan separated was a good thing. The only bad thing is that Strus ended up taking Duncan's DHOs and bricked most (if not all) of them.

I don't know how you guys feel about DHOs, but I don't think they've been good for our team. I like them in theory, though, and would rather see us running curls instead of taking 3PT shots with them.

Video Link to Duncan's 3PTAs

League caught on.

It was a good run while it lasted from the Ellington years through the bubble with Duncan.

It should now be used sparingly instead of being the default.

[somerandomdude]

I have no problem with the plays that sets it up, its the decisions that Bam makes on actually passing instead using the space created by the action to score for self. The play in itself is for bam to be the decision maker and to create space for him. But he looks off his option to score for self way too often. The play is there for him to dominate but he becomes submissive

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It seems that the ball always goes into Duncan's hands and the decision is up to him. It usually leads to a Duncan 3 attempt.

I don't know how much of it is Bam, Duncan, or what the coaches want.

If it was Bam, then there's a serious issue because he barely ever does anything than pass it to Duncan.

If it was Duncan, then he's gotta do something else besides shoot 3s the majority of the time.

And the coaches would need to work with them to figure something out because it's pretty predictable what's going to happen in most cases.

IMO, it usually results in the play that it was intended for, which is a Duncan 3.

Either way, I don't think it's been a good play for us aside from some highlights. In theory, I like it, though, especially considering all the possibilities that can come from it.

[somerandomdude]

Interesting development:

* Duncan shot 5-8 from 3 against the Kings.
* None of those 3PTMs came from DHOs.
* He had 1 3PTA DHO with Bam and he missed it.
* He had 1ast and it came off a Bam DHO.

So it seems that keeping Bam and Duncan separated was a good thing. The only bad thing is that Strus ended up taking Duncan's DHOs and bricked most (if not all) of them.

I don't know how you guys feel about DHOs, but I don't think they've been good for our team. I like them in theory, though, and would rather see us running curls instead of taking 3PT shots with them.

Video Link to Duncan's 3PTAs

League caught on.

It was a good run while it lasted from the Ellington years through the bubble with Duncan.

It should now be used sparingly instead of being the default.

It's certainly no secret, but Duncan (and now Strus) just haven't been knocking down their shots when we run it. IMO, we just gotta stop forcing the issue and run it sparsely, or start looking to do something else with it besides settling for the 3.

But yeah, it was great during the Bubble, but has lost its impact because Duncan just can't knock down DHO 3s at a consistent rate that makes it worthy of eating up so many possessions.

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Can this hold water?

He used to be able to shoot them alright...It's like the Heat discouraged Wade and now him from shooting them or something.

Jimmy being able to make 3's at an even average rate makes us a completely different team. Teams having to respect him a little more on the perimeter ad all the shooters we always have around them,, will open things up for Bam considerably.

[dshearn]

Interesting development:

* Duncan shot 5-8 from 3 against the Kings.
* None of those 3PTMs came from DHOs.
* He had 1 3PTA DHO with Bam and he missed it.
* He had 1ast and it came off a Bam DHO.

So it seems that keeping Bam and Duncan separated was a good thing. The only bad thing is that Strus ended up taking Duncan's DHOs and bricked most (if not all) of them.

I don't know how you guys feel about DHOs, but I don't think they've been good for our team. I like them in theory, though, and would rather see us running curls instead of taking 3PT shots with them.

Video Link to Duncan's 3PTAs

League caught on.

It was a good run while it lasted from the Ellington years through the bubble with Duncan.

It should now be used sparingly instead of being the default.

they have been feeding the ball back to Bam for good looks lately. I would actually prefer if Bam started to slip the screen for space and go right to the rim.

They are not a terrible waste of shot clock as long as people keep moving.

[3ballbomber]

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Can this hold water?

He used to be able to shoot them alright...It's like the Heat discouraged Wade and now him from shooting them or something.

Jimmy being able to make 3's at an even average rate makes us a completely different team. Teams having to respect him a little more on the perimeter ad all the shooters we always have around them,, will open things up for Bam considerably.

I agree here. Team's more dangerous when Jimbo's hitting those treys.

Jimmy reminds me a lot of Wade's later yrs....slower, can bog the offence & not a 3pt threat. Wade used to drive me nuts. It was frustrating to watch him slow the offence & halt ball movement while defence stood there no pressure.

See it often when the ball is w/ Jimmy. He needs to make quicker decisions. Like it was in the back end of Wade's career, he is playing w/ younger, quicker players. It ain't over 40s at the local Y. Either move the ball or make a move. It is also glaringly obvious Jimmy hasn't much variation in his bag apart from the shimmy, wing p&r & being able to initiate contact at the basket to get to the line. It's truly blue collar work sort of stuff. But wears you down, especially at his age. Furthermore he can struggle vs length making his job even more tougher.

His window is closing. Wld love for us to capitalise in the next couple of seasons. We don't go deep this season Jimmy will be that hungry seasoned vet all legit contenders need. We just need to help him by adding that missing & well needed prolific scorer.......unless Riles decides to trade Jimmy for necessary pieces.

[twix2500]

Jimmy needs to hit his wide open treys. He doesn't need to be launching 6 treys. Just enough to keep the defender from cheating off him and when they do make em pay.

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[somerandomdude]

Didn't even realize this was an award

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[Slot Machine]

Interesting development:

* Duncan shot 5-8 from 3 against the Kings.
* None of those 3PTMs came from DHOs.
* He had 1 3PTA DHO with Bam and he missed it.
* He had 1ast and it came off a Bam DHO.

So it seems that keeping Bam and Duncan separated was a good thing. The only bad thing is that Strus ended up taking Duncan's DHOs and bricked most (if not all) of them.

I don't know how you guys feel about DHOs, but I don't think they've been good for our team. I like them in theory, though, and would rather see us running curls instead of taking 3PT shots with them.

Video Link to Duncan's 3PTAs

League caught on.

It was a good run while it lasted from the Ellington years through the bubble with Duncan.

It should now be used sparingly instead of being the default.

Agreed. The DHOs were a big part of the bubble run, but it’s been throughly scouted/figured out since then.

I don’t mind it as a novelty or something to use in a bind, but we’re taking forever to set up our offense when we force the issue with DHOs.

[marson]

Pretty interesting points.

TLDW
-The incident last week is concerning and has been brewing for a long time
-JB and Spo have struggled all year of direct contact on/off the court all season
-The Heat organization still supports Butler over the incident
-The Heat will play Gabe Vincent over Dipo in the PO

I have a feeling that if we blow out early in PO, one of them (JB or Spo) is gone here next season.

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Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell and Butler trade incoming?

[harlem_ball]

Pretty interesting points.

TLDW
-The incident last week is concerning and has been brewing for a long time
-JB and Spo have struggled all year of direct contact on/off the court all season
-The Heat organization still supports Butler over the incident
-The Heat will play Gabe Vincent over Dipo in the PO

I have a feeling that if we blow out early in PO, one of them (JB or Spo) is gone here next season.

Watch on YouTube

Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell and Butler trade incoming?

Butler may want to go back to play with Thibs.

Randle for Butler?

Bam
Randle
Strus
Herro
Lowry???

This is not the drama you want going into a title run.

[marson]

Pretty interesting points.

TLDW
-The incident last week is concerning and has been brewing for a long time
-JB and Spo have struggled all year of direct contact on/off the court all season
-The Heat organization still supports Butler over the incident
-The Heat will play Gabe Vincent over Dipo in the PO

I have a feeling that if we blow out early in PO, one of them (JB or Spo) is gone here next season.

Watch on YouTube

Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell and Butler trade incoming?

Butler may want to go back to play with Thibs.

Randle for Butler?

Bam
Randle
Strus
Herro
Lowry???

This is not the drama you want going into a title run.

They need to throw RJ Barrett in as well and we'll send Randle to a 3rd team lol

[somerandomdude]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Pretty interesting points.

TLDW
-The incident last week is concerning and has been brewing for a long time
-JB and Spo have struggled all year of direct contact on/off the court all season
-The Heat organization still supports Butler over the incident
-The Heat will play Gabe Vincent over Dipo in the PO

I have a feeling that if we blow out early in PO, one of them (JB or Spo) is gone here next season.

Watch on YouTube

Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell and Butler trade incoming?

Butler may want to go back to play with Thibs.

Randle for Butler?

Bam
Randle
Strus
Herro
Lowry???

This is not the drama you want going into a title run.

They need to throw RJ Barrett in as well and we'll send Randle to a 3rd team lol

I don’t think Butler is going anywhere. Maybe Spo steps down and goes into the front office.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Strus for DPOY, Duncan could never