Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bams a cornerstone of the franchise and a guy we practically view as untouchable if we wouldn’t even trade him for KD. That’s not a good comparison.

[Kobewade11]

The real outrage may be next summer when Miami can't retain Oladipo, he'll be looking to get one last big contract and it could get ugly if Herro is extended and Oladipo is a better all around player for Miami after finally being healthy and getting a real offseason in to get back to where he should be.

BTW, you're correct, RJ Barrett career average in the playoffs is 14.4 points, Herro's is 14.0. Herro has been in many more playoff games then RJ though, although RJ started.

Yea, Oladipo could look to be the better all around player. Herro could also take another leap in his game ala Booker’s 4th season. We tend to look at the ifs through the lens that we want.

[Kobewade11]

Btw I like Oladipo, if he’s a flat out better player than Herro next year all that tells me is we are going to have a damn good team. As a fan of the team, I’d welcome it.

[AirP.]

The real outrage may be next summer when Miami can't retain Oladipo, he'll be looking to get one last big contract and it could get ugly if Herro is extended and Oladipo is a better all around player for Miami after finally being healthy and getting a real offseason in to get back to where he should be.

BTW, you're correct, RJ Barrett career average in the playoffs is 14.4 points, Herro's is 14.0. Herro has been in many more playoff games then RJ though, although RJ started.

Yea, Oladipo could look to be the better all around player. Herro could also take another leap in his game ala Booker’s 4th season. We tend to look at the ifs through the lens that we want.

I look at FGA available. I've said he could end up being better next year with lesser scoring. It's why I keep saying losing a low volume shooter like Tucker and adding a higher volume shooter like Oladipo may really alter things on offense. I'm looking through the expected reality lens.

Btw I like Oladipo, if he’s a flat out better player than Herro next year all that tells me is we are going to have a damn good team. As a fan of the team, I’d welcome it.

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

[SA37]

I continue to be meh about Oladipo. I hope I am wrong, but I just think there is more hype than substance there. Don't get me wrong, I think he can definitely help Miami, but I don't think he is the quasi-All-star people hope he'll be. I'm thinking a better version of Eric Bledsoe is about as good as it is going to get.

I don't get the Crowder trade rumors. Phoenix doesn't seem to have a viable option behind him. If Phoenix can upgrade, say acquiring Barnes or Collins, sure. I don't think Bogdanovic would qualify as an upgrade, but....

I'd love to know what the Heat FO really thinks about Herro.

I know there is some speculation the Heat want another star, but is there any star that would be available beyond Lillard or SGA? Siakam?

[IceColdCubano]

I continue to be meh about Oladipo. I hope I am wrong, but I just think there is more hype than substance there. Don't get me wrong, I think he can definitely help Miami, but I don't think he is the quasi-All-star people hope he'll be. I'm thinking a better version of Eric Bledsoe is about as good as it is going to get.

I don't get the Crowder trade rumors. Phoenix doesn't seem to have a viable option behind him. If Phoenix can upgrade, say acquiring Barnes or Collins, sure. I don't think Bogdanovic would qualify as an upgrade, but....

I'd love to know what the Heat FO really thinks about Herro.

I know there is some speculation the Heat want another star, but is there any star that would be available beyond Lillard or SGA? Siakam?

Rumors from the team who have been following him is that he has been playing stars 1v1 plus private workouts and is kicking some serious Azz with lots of complements coming back like “Dipo coming at everyone hard” the team is super excited, apparently it’s been a while since they felt they this way about a player coming back from an injury in Heat free agency. Their mindset is they got glimpses las year with a rusty player showing his capabilities in small burst.

[twix2500]

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And that is why I didn't really want Gallinari. He doesn't take care of his body and a major injury waiting to happen

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[heatwillbeback]

Now that Harrell's charge has been changed to a misdemeanor, I think he is worth a discussion.

He wouldn't start next to Bam in my opinion, but as a scoring big off the bench I think it would be really nice and is something we lack.

Now, is he willing to accept that role and what would obviously be a reduced salary (we don't have realistic options to pay him more)?

[Kobewade11]

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

[twix2500]

Now that Harrell's charge has been changed to a misdemeanor, I think he is worth a discussion.

He wouldn't start next to Bam in my opinion, but as a scoring big off the bench I think it would be really nice and is something we lack.

Now, is he willing to accept that role and what would obviously be a reduced salary (we don't have realistic options to pay him more)?

I think Spo will push Harrell to start, and would be the motivation for Spo to put Bam on the 3 point line.

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[heatwillbeback]

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

Duncan+ for a PF is something that has just made sense since day 1.

I dont know if lack of a deal means nobody wants Duncan or we were holding him in a Durant deal as big potential salary going out. I hope its the second because yea Caleb as PF is more than worrisome.

[IceColdCubano]

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

[twix2500]

Sadly Tyler Herro perceived value around the league is not what we hoped it would be. The relationship between him and the organization is gonna be strained. I do feel for Herro, and not sure how the Heat will handle it. Herro will always feel he is on his way out at any moment. Heat do not want to trade draft picks unless its for a star. Ideally they want to hold fast as they get more access to picks.

As ICC metion there may be some executes who want to move Duncan so they can resign Herro. However, the main executive is not sold on Herro as that third piece of a big 3 title team.

They may have to make a non-heat like move and trade Herro for picks. Assets that are now highly desired in the traded market. I believe a team like the Charlotte Hornets may be a team that will give up picks for Herro. A backcourt of Herro and Ball should bring needed Hollywood in Charlotte. I know this will not be favorite take like usual.


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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

Thank god. If this is true Bam is going to be dominant and should get him ready to consistently carry the offensive load in the playoffs with Jimmy

[twix2500]

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

Don't like the sound of that offense. But here is the new scheme I talked about a month ago. Training camp is when new schemes are installed. Once the Heat are out of Training camp its like pulling teeth to get Spo to change scheme. After training camp the only thing Spo likes to change is rotations.

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[twix2500]

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

Thank god. If this is true Bam is going to be dominant and should get him ready to consistently carry the offensive load in the playoffs with Jimmy

I have to see it. I don't trust Spo vision of post play offense.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

Thank god. If this is true Bam is going to be dominant and should get him ready to consistently carry the offensive load in the playoffs with Jimmy

I have to see it. I don't trust Spo vision of post play offense.

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Idk, it worked with LeBron who Bams around the same size as (yes I know he’s not LeBron) and he’s physically imposing. It’s going to be match up based. He’s been working on his jumper to pull bigger guys out of the paint and then kill him with his quickness. Smaller guys he’ll bully in the post. He has the ability to do both, our best most efficient players/scorers need to be the guys taking the most shots and that’s Jimmy and Bam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam at his last season scoring rate projects to score 25 PPG if given 17 shots a game.

What’s the last championship team that didn’t have someone on the team giving at least 25 PPG? Off the top of my head I would guess the 2014 Spurs. Someone on the team outside of Jimmy taking that step would work wonders for this team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam Herro and Dipo need to be carrying the offensive load for this team. Jimmy is obviously going to get his but it would be best to build the confidence of these guys while keeping Jimmy and Lowry fresh for the playoffs.

That being said, Jimmy might just come out guns blazing on his way to a top 5 MVP finish, you just never know with him

[HeatFanLifer]

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If we win the championship without a major acquisition through trade I’ll give everyone who and-1s this $50. Make the finals I’ll give you $20. Make the ECF I’ll give you $10.

I’m not gonna and1 this cuz I don’t want your money if you’re wrong. But I don’t think you are wrong. My hopes are on Kyrie to step it up this season. Yimmy is doing it all, Bam is locked in his role, Herro is hype without substance, and Oladipo is an enigma. My expectations aren’t as optimistic as my hopes. Kudos to Riley for not selling the farm to pay the water bill tho.

HLF This is Kyle right?

Lol late night post