Bam since becoming a starter (4 years) vs Bosh Miami Heat Tenure (6 years)

[Heat_Down_Under]

And we never will lol…

You make it sound like Bosh was the clear #1 option in Toronto because he was so great. Bosh was the clear #1 because there were no other scorers on the Raptors. At this point I have to assume that people are confused because they want to be. Pretending to not understand allows them to keep repeating things that have been disproved over and over again.

The Raptors leaders in shot attempts year by year during Bosh's time there:

'03-'40: Bosh's rookie season

Vince Carter: 20 fga per game
Jalen Rose: 15
Donyell Marshall: 13.4
Chris Bosh: 9.5 ... Bosh averaged 11.5 ppg

'04-'05:

Vince Carter: 15.1
Jalen Rose: 14.3
Chris Bosh: 12.4 ... averaging 16.8 ppg
Rafer Alston: 12.2
Morris Peterson: 10.3

'05-'06: Bosh becomes the ~ #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.5 fga per game ... averaged 22.5 ppg
Mike James: 15.5
Morris Peterson: 13.4
Charlie Villanueva: 11.6

'06-'07: Bosh becomes the unquestioned #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.9 fga ... 22.6 ppg
TJ Ford: 12
Andrea Bargnani: 9.6
Anthony Parker: 9.4

'07-'08:

Chris Bosh: 15.3 fga ... 22.3 ppg
TJ Ford: 10.3
Anthony Parker: 10.1
Andrea Bargnani: 9.3

'08-'09:

Chris Bosh: 16.4 fga ... 22.7 ppg
Shawn Marion: 12.7 <--- 27 games
Andrea Bargnani: 12.3
Jermaine O'Neal: 11.3 <--- 41 games

"09-'10: Bosh's last season in Toronto

Chris Bosh: 16.5 fga ... 24.0 ppg
Andrea Bargnani: 14.3
Hedo Turkoglu: 9.1
Jose Calderon: 8.4


After Vince Carter left, Bosh had no real competition for shots. If your next best options are Mike James, TJ Ford, and Andrea Bargnani, you're going to get the ball to Bosh. You'd get the ball to Bam too.

You’re going off a hypothetical and not facts. Bam has never been the first option on a team.. you can say if bam replaces bosh on the raptors he would put up same or more numbers but it’s all hypothetical. Unless both Jimmy and Herro are out for whole season and bam becomes first option, then we can compare.

And yes bosh was great in an era where the PF position was the most stacked.. duncan, Dirk, KG, pau gasol, jermaine oneal, Sheed, Z Bo, amare, boozer, Webber etc

[contract]

Spoiler:

And we never will lol…

You make it sound like Bosh was the clear #1 option in Toronto because he was so great. Bosh was the clear #1 because there were no other scorers on the Raptors. At this point I have to assume that people are confused because they want to be. Pretending to not understand allows them to keep repeating things that have been disproved over and over again.

The Raptors leaders in shot attempts year by year during Bosh's time there:

'03-'40: Bosh's rookie season

Vince Carter: 20 fga per game
Jalen Rose: 15
Donyell Marshall: 13.4
Chris Bosh: 9.5 ... Bosh averaged 11.5 ppg

'04-'05:

Vince Carter: 15.1
Jalen Rose: 14.3
Chris Bosh: 12.4 ... averaging 16.8 ppg
Rafer Alston: 12.2
Morris Peterson: 10.3

'05-'06: Bosh becomes the ~ #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.5 fga per game ... averaged 22.5 ppg
Mike James: 15.5
Morris Peterson: 13.4
Charlie Villanueva: 11.6

'06-'07: Bosh becomes the unquestioned #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.9 fga ... 22.6 ppg
TJ Ford: 12
Andrea Bargnani: 9.6
Anthony Parker: 9.4

'07-'08:

Chris Bosh: 15.3 fga ... 22.3 ppg
TJ Ford: 10.3
Anthony Parker: 10.1
Andrea Bargnani: 9.3

'08-'09:

Chris Bosh: 16.4 fga ... 22.7 ppg
Shawn Marion: 12.7 <--- 27 games
Andrea Bargnani: 12.3
Jermaine O'Neal: 11.3 <--- 41 games

"09-'10: Bosh's last season in Toronto

Chris Bosh: 16.5 fga ... 24.0 ppg
Andrea Bargnani: 14.3
Hedo Turkoglu: 9.1
Jose Calderon: 8.4


After Vince Carter left, Bosh had no real competition for shots. If your next best options are Mike James, TJ Ford, and Andrea Bargnani, you're going to get the ball to Bosh. You'd get the ball to Bam too.

You’re going off a hypothetical and not facts. Bam has never been the first option on a team.. you can say if bam replaces bosh on the raptors he would put up same or more numbers but it’s all hypothetical. Unless both Jimmy and Herro are out for whole season and bam becomes first option, then we can compare.

And yes bosh was great in an era where the PF position was the most stacked.. duncan, Dirk, KG, pau gasol, jermaine oneal, Sheed, Z Bo, amare, boozer, Webber etc

"You can't compare Bam to Heat Bosh because in Miami he was forced to play 3rd fiddle."

"You can't compare Bam to Raptors Bosh because Bam has never been the #1 option."

"You can't prove that Bam would score more if he took more shots and played more minutes as the #1 option on a team with no other scorers."

"You can't prove that Bam would be just as effective as Bosh playing with two great passers who drew all the defensive attention and could create a ton of easy buckets for him."

"You can't compare Bam to post-Lebron Heat Bosh who was in a similar situation to Bam now because Bosh went on to develop blood clots."

"You can't use stats to compare Bam and Bosh because they didn't play at the exact same time in the exact same situation."

"You can only use memory and the eye test to compare the two players and it has to be my memory and my eye."

[3ballbomber]

Imagine spending your entire day desperately proving to everyone how good a player is even tho majority forum's opinions are well established & picking only a certain time, occasion & circumstance to try & gain certain advantage knowing overall there's no real argument



Let's not forget what numbers the compared players were drafted w/one 4th over all in a strong draft class that includes Wade, Lebron & Carmelo & the other 14th. Watch that be dismissed like 11 all-stars in 13 seasons because that strong fact can't play a role in establishing who's better

[Heat_Down_Under]

Spoiler:

You make it sound like Bosh was the clear #1 option in Toronto because he was so great. Bosh was the clear #1 because there were no other scorers on the Raptors. At this point I have to assume that people are confused because they want to be. Pretending to not understand allows them to keep repeating things that have been disproved over and over again.

The Raptors leaders in shot attempts year by year during Bosh's time there:

'03-'40: Bosh's rookie season

Vince Carter: 20 fga per game
Jalen Rose: 15
Donyell Marshall: 13.4
Chris Bosh: 9.5 ... Bosh averaged 11.5 ppg

'04-'05:

Vince Carter: 15.1
Jalen Rose: 14.3
Chris Bosh: 12.4 ... averaging 16.8 ppg
Rafer Alston: 12.2
Morris Peterson: 10.3

'05-'06: Bosh becomes the ~ #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.5 fga per game ... averaged 22.5 ppg
Mike James: 15.5
Morris Peterson: 13.4
Charlie Villanueva: 11.6

'06-'07: Bosh becomes the unquestioned #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.9 fga ... 22.6 ppg
TJ Ford: 12
Andrea Bargnani: 9.6
Anthony Parker: 9.4

'07-'08:

Chris Bosh: 15.3 fga ... 22.3 ppg
TJ Ford: 10.3
Anthony Parker: 10.1
Andrea Bargnani: 9.3

'08-'09:

Chris Bosh: 16.4 fga ... 22.7 ppg
Shawn Marion: 12.7 <--- 27 games
Andrea Bargnani: 12.3
Jermaine O'Neal: 11.3 <--- 41 games

"09-'10: Bosh's last season in Toronto

Chris Bosh: 16.5 fga ... 24.0 ppg
Andrea Bargnani: 14.3
Hedo Turkoglu: 9.1
Jose Calderon: 8.4


After Vince Carter left, Bosh had no real competition for shots. If your next best options are Mike James, TJ Ford, and Andrea Bargnani, you're going to get the ball to Bosh. You'd get the ball to Bam too.

You’re going off a hypothetical and not facts. Bam has never been the first option on a team.. you can say if bam replaces bosh on the raptors he would put up same or more numbers but it’s all hypothetical. Unless both Jimmy and Herro are out for whole season and bam becomes first option, then we can compare.

And yes bosh was great in an era where the PF position was the most stacked.. duncan, Dirk, KG, pau gasol, jermaine oneal, Sheed, Z Bo, amare, boozer, Webber etc

"You can't compare Bam to Heat Bosh because in Miami he was forced to play 3rd fiddle."

"You can't compare Bam to Raptors Bosh because Bam has never been the #1 option."

"You can't prove that Bam would score more if he took more shots and played more minutes as the #1 option on a team with no other scorers."

"You can't prove that Bam would be just as effective as Bosh playing with two great passers who drew all the defensive attention and could create a ton of easy buckets for him."

"You can't compare Bam to post-Lebron Heat Bosh who was in a similar situation to Bam now because Bosh went on to develop blood clots."

"You can't use stats to compare Bam and Bosh because they didn't play at the exact same time in the exact same situation."

"You can only use memory and the eye test to compare the two players and it has to be my memory and my eye."

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

[gom]

The draft rank is hardly the most important issue. My opinion would change a lot when he has a ring on his finger. I don't doubt it's coming but talk to me then.

[3ballbomber]

The draft rank is hardly the most important issue. My opinion would change a lot when he has a ring on his finger. I don't doubt it's coming but talk to me then.

Draft numbers can be wrong at times but in this particular case It's a clear indication on who's the better talent which is what i believe this is about. The ring argument unfortunately may be dismissed here w/ Bosh playing in superteam beside 2 elite players in their absolute peak. Bosh did average 20.5pts, 9 rebounds & 3 assists in Toronto in the playoffs & in spite of playing 3rd fiddle averaged 14.9pts, 7.3 rebounds & 1.1 blocks in Miami. Any idiot can see what's up here. But i can agree when Bam does win a ring then can dig up this thread. For now this was never needed lol

[contract]

Spoiler:

You’re going off a hypothetical and not facts. Bam has never been the first option on a team.. you can say if bam replaces bosh on the raptors he would put up same or more numbers but it’s all hypothetical. Unless both Jimmy and Herro are out for whole season and bam becomes first option, then we can compare.

And yes bosh was great in an era where the PF position was the most stacked.. duncan, Dirk, KG, pau gasol, jermaine oneal, Sheed, Z Bo, amare, boozer, Webber etc

"You can't compare Bam to Heat Bosh because in Miami he was forced to play 3rd fiddle."

"You can't compare Bam to Raptors Bosh because Bam has never been the #1 option."

"You can't prove that Bam would score more if he took more shots and played more minutes as the #1 option on a team with no other scorers."

"You can't prove that Bam would be just as effective as Bosh playing with two great passers who drew all the defensive attention and could create a ton of easy buckets for him."

"You can't compare Bam to post-Lebron Heat Bosh who was in a similar situation to Bam now because Bosh went on to develop blood clots."

"You can't use stats to compare Bam and Bosh because they didn't play at the exact same time in the exact same situation."

"You can only use memory and the eye test to compare the two players and it has to be my memory and my eye."

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

And just like that all the objections over space and time and circumstances will disappear, huh? OK, lets do that.

At age 25 on a per minute basis ...

Bosh averaged 23.9 points on 16.5 fga per 36 minutes played ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 21.2 points on 15.4 fga per 36 minutes played ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

And now per possession at that same age ...

Bosh averaged 34.3 points on 23.6 fga per 100 possessions ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 29.3 points on 21.4 fga per 100 possessions ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

So there you go. Bam's best season so far vs the best season of Bosh's entire career. Totally ignoring their respective roles on their teams at the time.

Happy?

[contract]

The draft rank is hardly the most important issue. My opinion would change a lot when he has a ring on his finger. I don't doubt it's coming but talk to me then.

I'm sorry ... Bosh gets credit for playing with two of the all time greats? Bosh won a total of 3 playoff games in 7 seasons before he got to Miami. Not series ... games.

[Heat_Down_Under]

"You can't compare Bam to Heat Bosh because in Miami he was forced to play 3rd fiddle."

"You can't compare Bam to Raptors Bosh because Bam has never been the #1 option."

"You can't prove that Bam would score more if he took more shots and played more minutes as the #1 option on a team with no other scorers."

"You can't prove that Bam would be just as effective as Bosh playing with two great passers who drew all the defensive attention and could create a ton of easy buckets for him."

"You can't compare Bam to post-Lebron Heat Bosh who was in a similar situation to Bam now because Bosh went on to develop blood clots."

"You can't use stats to compare Bam and Bosh because they didn't play at the exact same time in the exact same situation."

"You can only use memory and the eye test to compare the two players and it has to be my memory and my eye."

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

And just like that all the objections over space and time and circumstances will disappear, huh? OK, lets do that.

At age 25 on a per minute basis ...

Bosh averaged 23.9 points on 16.5 fga per 36 minutes played ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 21.2 points on 15.4 fga per 36 minutes played ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

And now per possession at that same age ...

Bosh averaged 34.3 points on 23.6 fga per 100 possessions ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 29.3 points on 21.4 fga per 100 possessions ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

So there you go. Bam's best season so far vs the best season of Bosh's entire career. Totally ignoring their respective roles on their teams at the time.

Happy?

I mean I do find it a little cute you bumped up bams scoring average stats but that’s ok gotta do what you gotta do.. and yes that’s perfect!!!!! Because all ya’ll did was ignore their respective roles with the comparisons anyway when you created this thread..

Oh and I like that little dig with bams best season so far Vs bosh’s best season of entire career that was a nice one.. when bam goes and teams up with 2 superstars next season We can keep the comparisons rolling…

[contract]

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

And just like that all the objections over space and time and circumstances will disappear, huh? OK, lets do that.

At age 25 on a per minute basis ...

Bosh averaged 23.9 points on 16.5 fga per 36 minutes played ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 21.2 points on 15.4 fga per 36 minutes played ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

And now per possession at that same age ...

Bosh averaged 34.3 points on 23.6 fga per 100 possessions ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 29.3 points on 21.4 fga per 100 possessions ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

So there you go. Bam's best season so far vs the best season of Bosh's entire career. Totally ignoring their respective roles on their teams at the time.

Happy?

I mean I do find it a little cute you bumped up bams scoring average stats but that’s ok gotta do what you gotta do.. and yes that’s perfect!!!!! Because all ya’ll did was ignore their respective roles with the comparisons anyway when you created this thread..

Oh and I like that little dig with bams best season so far Vs bosh’s best season of entire career that was a nice one.. when bam goes and teams up with 2 superstars next season We can keep the comparisons rolling…

I didn't bump up anything. You just don't like the numbers. No matter how many ways the Bam detractors try to spin Bosh being the better player, they just can't get the data to support that assertion.

The assertion that Bosh was a much better offensive player cannot be backed up with data. Bosh played more minutes, which resulted in more shots taken, which resulted in a higher scoring average. He was not more effective at putting the ball in the bucket overall. He was better from deep, but less effective in close. Those are just the facts. Like 'em, don't like 'em, it doesn't matter.

I made the assertion that Bam is hated despite being a better player than the much loved Chris Bosh (Heat Bosh). That is how this whole thing got started. And that has now been debated and data'ed to death. The fans saying that is not true have responded with lols and ridicule and growing anger ... because they can't put together a case to refute my assertion.

This "civil" debate has grown less and less civil, and more and more pointless.

[Enso]

I’m talking overall scoring efficiency and True Shooting %. Bosh scored less points on more shot attempts on worse efficiency. I’m saying you would think since he’s a more well rounded scorer, not player, that he would be able to find ways to score more efficiently especially considering the attention LeBron and Wade draw and the fact they’re elite passers.

Looking at Bosh's stats now he took way more shots from 16ft out. Just between 16ft and the 3pt line was about 1/3 of his shots. and towards the second half of his stint about .250 % of his shots were 3 pointers. Makes sense that he was gonna be less efficient.

That’s hopefully the next step for Bams game. Not necessarily the deep 2 but the 3s. I don’t care about the deep mid range, those should just be bail out shots tbh

Yeah those shots were considered fine back then vs now where they’re frowned upon

[3ammy3uck3ts]

LMAO do some research before you make a claim.. bosh played 44 games in first season (post big 3 era) and played 53 in the second one

You’re right, he missed 8 games not 7 PRIOR to finding out he had the blood clots that had no effect on his game PRIOR to shutting it down for the remainder of the season.

My bad for being off 1 game, work on your reading comprehension if you think I was saying he only missed 7 games for the entire season

LMAO this is comical.. how many games did he miss all season both those seasons? let me repost what I said so you can read it again and check your own reading skills…

“Lol it’s cringe to even compare bam to bosh’s post big 3 era seasons as he already had the blood clots and was injured aswell those last 2 seasons and missed a chunk of games… but whatever helps your agenda..”

Where do I say that bosh’s game was affected when he was playing? I’m talking about chunks of games he didn’t play..

You’re trying to make it seem like the games he missed effected his game, they didn’t.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine spending your entire day desperately proving to everyone how good a player is even tho majority forum's opinions are well established & picking only a certain time, occasion & circumstance to try & gain certain advantage knowing overall there's no real argument



Let's not forget what numbers the compared players were drafted w/one 4th over all in a strong draft class that includes Wade, Lebron & Carmelo & the other 14th. Watch that be dismissed like 11 all-stars in 13 seasons because that strong fact can't play a role in establishing who's better

You’ve gotta be the biggest troll on here and also the least knowledgeable poster. Jokic was a 2nd round pick and is far better than Bam and Bosh. Anthony Bennet was drafted first and is way worse than all of them.

Wtf kind of point was this

This is the type of thing I’m saying, you guys legit can’t come up with even some sort of a reasonable argument against it that isn’t this trolling ish.

That should tell you something…

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

You’re going off a hypothetical and not facts. Bam has never been the first option on a team.. you can say if bam replaces bosh on the raptors he would put up same or more numbers but it’s all hypothetical. Unless both Jimmy and Herro are out for whole season and bam becomes first option, then we can compare.

And yes bosh was great in an era where the PF position was the most stacked.. duncan, Dirk, KG, pau gasol, jermaine oneal, Sheed, Z Bo, amare, boozer, Webber etc

"You can't compare Bam to Heat Bosh because in Miami he was forced to play 3rd fiddle."

"You can't compare Bam to Raptors Bosh because Bam has never been the #1 option."

"You can't prove that Bam would score more if he took more shots and played more minutes as the #1 option on a team with no other scorers."

"You can't prove that Bam would be just as effective as Bosh playing with two great passers who drew all the defensive attention and could create a ton of easy buckets for him."

"You can't compare Bam to post-Lebron Heat Bosh who was in a similar situation to Bam now because Bosh went on to develop blood clots."

"You can't use stats to compare Bam and Bosh because they didn't play at the exact same time in the exact same situation."

"You can only use memory and the eye test to compare the two players and it has to be my memory and my eye."

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

What’s funny is their seasons at 25 aren’t too far off each other. So when Bam is 28 and his numbers completely **** on Boshs numbers at 28 what is the excuse going to be at that point?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The draft rank is hardly the most important issue. My opinion would change a lot when he has a ring on his finger. I don't doubt it's coming but talk to me then.

Fair enough.

Production vs production is easily Bam.

Championships it’s Bosh. Unfortunately we’ve refused to maximize the roster but let’s hope by next season he’s surrounded by 2 elite perimeter stars and a good fit at the 4 to push for a championship

[3ammy3uck3ts]

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

And just like that all the objections over space and time and circumstances will disappear, huh? OK, lets do that.

At age 25 on a per minute basis ...

Bosh averaged 23.9 points on 16.5 fga per 36 minutes played ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 21.2 points on 15.4 fga per 36 minutes played ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

And now per possession at that same age ...

Bosh averaged 34.3 points on 23.6 fga per 100 possessions ... 51.8FG% - 36.4% 3pt - 79.7% FT - 52.2eFG% - 59.2TS%

Bam averaged 29.3 points on 21.4 fga per 100 possessions ... 54.0FG% - 8.3% 3pt - 80.6% FT - 54.1eFG% - 59.2TS%

So there you go. Bam's best season so far vs the best season of Bosh's entire career. Totally ignoring their respective roles on their teams at the time.

Happy?

I mean I do find it a little cute you bumped up bams scoring average stats but that’s ok gotta do what you gotta do.. and yes that’s perfect!!!!! Because all ya’ll did was ignore their respective roles with the comparisons anyway when you created this thread..

Oh and I like that little dig with bams best season so far Vs bosh’s best season of entire career that was a nice one.. when bam goes and teams up with 2 superstars next season We can keep the comparisons rolling…

Ignored their roles? The thread was made BASED ON THEIR SIMILAR ROLES.

Where is this getting lost in confusion? Bam and Bosh had identical FGAs and usage as 3rd options on the Heat, Bam has outplayed Bosh on that role relatively easy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And just like that all the objections over space and time and circumstances will disappear, huh? OK, lets do that.







So there you go. Bam's best season so far vs the best season of Bosh's entire career. Totally ignoring their respective roles on their teams at the time.

Happy?

I mean I do find it a little cute you bumped up bams scoring average stats but that’s ok gotta do what you gotta do.. and yes that’s perfect!!!!! Because all ya’ll did was ignore their respective roles with the comparisons anyway when you created this thread..

Oh and I like that little dig with bams best season so far Vs bosh’s best season of entire career that was a nice one.. when bam goes and teams up with 2 superstars next season We can keep the comparisons rolling…

I didn't bump up anything. You just don't like the numbers. No matter how many ways the Bam detractors try to spin Bosh being the better player, they just can't get the data to support that assertion.

The assertion that Bosh was a much better offensive player cannot be backed up with data. Bosh played more minutes, which resulted in more shots taken, which resulted in a higher scoring average. He was not more effective at putting the ball in the bucket overall. He was better from deep, but less effective in close. Those are just the facts. Like 'em, don't like 'em, it doesn't matter.

I made the assertion that Bam is hated despite being a better player than the much loved Chris Bosh (Heat Bosh). That is how this whole thing got started. And that has now been debated and data'ed to death. The fans say that is not true have responded with lols and ridicule and growing anger ... because they can't put together a case to refute my assertion.

This "civil" debate has grown less and less civil, and more and more pointless.

Good work brother, you’re spitting nothing but facts

[SerialChiller]

If you are looking for a 1/2 option with above average D you go Bosh, if you are looking for a 3rd option with elite defense you go Bam. Bosh' ability to stretch the floor/size and create his own shot imo give him the edge between the 2 but there would be some teams where Bam would help more.

Good post this nicely sums up my opinion on this debate as well. Although I don't think you are going anywhere with Bosh as a number 1, he's a geat 2 or amazing 3 imo.

I've been reading through this without getting involved so far just out of curiosity. I like both players but not enough to get into heated debates defending either one, and I don't particularly care for one over the other as a fan. Bosh helped us win a few titles behind Lebron and Wade but he also used to frustrate me with his play at times as well (mainly his lack of rebounding and softness inside for a near 7footer). Just as Bam has helped us reach the finals behind Butler and Dragic, he also has frustrated me with his lack of aggression offensively. However I do think that Spo's dumb*** requires him to do too much on defense and doesn't feature him enough down low on offense. But with Bosh being able to space the floor and really just score from anywhere the fact of the matter is it was just much easier to get him shots.

The bottom line for me is this...

This comparison is close enough that I don't see the problem with having it. The most embarrassing thing I've seen in this thread isn't the thread itself but the ring arguments hahaha. I'm sorry but people purely using that aren't capable of using context and are pointless to debate with right off the bat. I've dealt with many Kobe fanboys in the past who would just repeat that nonsense over and over again in debates about which player between him and Wade had the best peak (not career). So I'm sick to death of even entertaining that crap anymore.

Anyways with all that said and in spite of the numbers leaning Bams way, I'd still rather Bosh if given the choice between the 2 players in general. I just think his versatility on both ends is just too hard to pass up. I also think that in this 3pt crazy current NBA landscape Bosh would be the ideal big on any team. Bosh can be a number 2 or 3 option on a title team imo, Bam as of now I feel like is a great 3rd option, but I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on him offensively as a number 2. He relies on athleticism more than skill so far on that end. But I do feel depending on a team's makeup that Bam could be the better choice in some situations.

Defensively Bam definitely has the edge, but Bosh was very good for us there as well. Bam has elite lateral quickness for a big and can guard 1-5, but it does come at the cost of height. I do think he can get overwhelmed at times by big centers who know how to score under the rim, but there really aren't many of those anymore. With Bosh he was very good in pick and roll coverage, and moved quite well at 6'11. But he was slender and could also get overwhelmed inside and did often by the likes of Hibbert, West, Noah, Boozer, Duncan, KG, etc.

I live just north of Toronto and I've seen plenty of that Bosh as well even though that has nothing to do with this comparison. Something some might not know or remember just a fun fact, when Bosh had his 24/11 season his last year there he had put on weight and was up to 250lbs. But his knees couldn't support it and he had to lose muscle mass after that.

https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10417/bosh-bulked-up-but-is-that-a-good-thing

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"You can't compare Bam to Heat Bosh because in Miami he was forced to play 3rd fiddle."

"You can't compare Bam to Raptors Bosh because Bam has never been the #1 option."

"You can't prove that Bam would score more if he took more shots and played more minutes as the #1 option on a team with no other scorers."

"You can't prove that Bam would be just as effective as Bosh playing with two great passers who drew all the defensive attention and could create a ton of easy buckets for him."

"You can't compare Bam to post-Lebron Heat Bosh who was in a similar situation to Bam now because Bosh went on to develop blood clots."

"You can't use stats to compare Bam and Bosh because they didn't play at the exact same time in the exact same situation."

"You can only use memory and the eye test to compare the two players and it has to be my memory and my eye."

be fair and start a debate who is/was better, bam at 25 or bosh when he was 25..who would you rather have on your team 25 year old bam or 25 year old bosh.. no nit picking different times in their careers, same age, good luck!

What’s funny is their seasons at 25 aren’t too far off each other. So when Bam is 28 and his numbers completely **** on Boshs numbers at 28 what is the excuse going to be at that point?

Yawn…. Where’s the fact in that? You’re going off hypotheticals.. just like saying don’t worry bam will start making 3s.. how do we know this? bam is the best defender in the world this and that.. according to who you?

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And just like that all the objections over space and time and circumstances will disappear, huh? OK, lets do that.







So there you go. Bam's best season so far vs the best season of Bosh's entire career. Totally ignoring their respective roles on their teams at the time.

Happy?

I mean I do find it a little cute you bumped up bams scoring average stats but that’s ok gotta do what you gotta do.. and yes that’s perfect!!!!! Because all ya’ll did was ignore their respective roles with the comparisons anyway when you created this thread..

Oh and I like that little dig with bams best season so far Vs bosh’s best season of entire career that was a nice one.. when bam goes and teams up with 2 superstars next season We can keep the comparisons rolling…

I didn't bump up anything. You just don't like the numbers. No matter how many ways the Bam detractors try to spin Bosh being the better player, they just can't get the data to support that assertion.

The assertion that Bosh was a much better offensive player cannot be backed up with data. Bosh played more minutes, which resulted in more shots taken, which resulted in a higher scoring average. He was not more effective at putting the ball in the bucket overall. He was better from deep, but less effective in close. Those are just the facts. Like 'em, don't like 'em, it doesn't matter.

I made the assertion that Bam is hated despite being a better player than the much loved Chris Bosh (Heat Bosh). That is how this whole thing got started. And that has now been debated and data'ed to death. The fans saying that is not true have responded with lols and ridicule and growing anger ... because they can't put together a case to refute my assertion.

This "civil" debate has grown less and less civil, and more and more pointless.

It’s not hard to do a search and see bams actual scoring average.. but as it’s been said put this up on general board and get your third party response coz apparently we are bam haters and trolls… unless your afraid of the replies you will get?