Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Regarding Dame, players that declare their intention get to their destination. Players that don’t, end up in Cleveland. If Dame really wants out (i’m not convinced he does), he has to make it known and where he wants to be through the proper channels

KD tried that, and the Nets refused to trade him to us because they didnt want our package

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There’s a lot of things that annoyed me last night but I can’t get over the Zeller minutes.

The Kevin Love lineup that started the 2nd quarter when Bam rested had a +33 net rating, the Zeller lineup to start the 4th had a -250 net rating.

Very small sample size I know but there was literally no reason not to run that Love lineup out there again, none at all. We won those non bam minutes in the 2nd by 3 points over 3 minutes, we lost the non bam minutes with Zeller in there to start the 4th by 5 in 1 minute.

Just a complete brain fart from Spo

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Or if we’re being completely honest Bam shouldn’t have even came out of the game. No reason at all. Dude literally sat down and then got right up and walked to the scorers table to check in

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Regarding Dame, players that declare their intention get to their destination. Players that don’t, end up in Cleveland. If Dame really wants out (i’m not convinced he does), he has to make it known and where he wants to be through the proper channels

KD tried that, and the Nets refused to trade him to us because they didnt want our package

Nah, KDs preferred destination was always the Suns over everyone else. From the very start.

[QUIZ]

There’s a lot of things that annoyed me last night but I can’t get over the Zeller minutes.

The Kevin Love lineup that started the 2nd quarter when Bam rested had a +33 net rating, the Zeller lineup to start the 4th had a -250 net rating.

Very small sample size I know but there was literally no reason not to run that Love lineup out there again, none at all. We won those non bam minutes in the 2nd by 3 points over 3 minutes, we lost the non bam minutes with Zeller in there to start the 4th by 5 in 1 minute.

Just a complete brain fart from Spo

Wrong thread, please post this in the game thread.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yeah. Dame is the new KD. Heat FO are gonna be focused on that before exploring other moves. Hopefully it's not a drama and we get clarity soon. I think this would have to go down draft day so Heat can include current pick. If this doesn't happen on draft night, I'd be skeptical of it happening at all

Can’t be traded until July 9th but we should still get a good idea based on what the blazers do with the pick on draft day

What you mean by can't be traded until July 9th? You talking about our pick or Lillard?

Dame can’t be traded until July 9th because of the extension he signed

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There’s a lot of things that annoyed me last night but I can’t get over the Zeller minutes.

The Kevin Love lineup that started the 2nd quarter when Bam rested had a +33 net rating, the Zeller lineup to start the 4th had a -250 net rating.

Very small sample size I know but there was literally no reason not to run that Love lineup out there again, none at all. We won those non bam minutes in the 2nd by 3 points over 3 minutes, we lost the non bam minutes with Zeller in there to start the 4th by 5 in 1 minute.

Just a complete brain fart from Spo

Wrong thread, please post this in the game thread.

You can move it or delete if you want

[dean456]

Can’t be traded until July 9th but we should still get a good idea based on what the blazers do with the pick on draft day

What you mean by can't be traded until July 9th? You talking about our pick or Lillard?

Dame can’t be traded until July 9th because of the extension he signed

Is this applicable to Dame? Because what I'm reading states anyone signing a veteran extension contract after August 9, 2022 are legally and contractually unable to be traded at any point during the regular season.

Dame signed his 2yr extension on July 29th.

[Kobewade11]

Regarding Dame, players that declare their intention get to their destination. Players that don’t, end up in Cleveland. If Dame really wants out (i’m not convinced he does), he has to make it known and where he wants to be through the proper channels

KD tried that, and the Nets refused to trade him to us because they didnt want our package

KD wanted to be in Phoenix, thats where he got traded.

[QUIZ]

What an emotional roller coaster this playoff run was man. I think we should obviously take a ton of positives from it. First, this core looked finished and it looked like we needed a major overhaul to just compete in the East. While we still need big changes it was awesome to see how close we still are so long as we have Jimmy and Bam.

Second, Lowry and Duncan entered the playoffs with two of the worst contracts in the league. Now though? I think Lowry is a very attractive expiring (cheaper and better than Westbrook was imo, with the added benefit that he’s a good locker room guy). Obviously now is the time to cash in if possible and not be emotional about the roster after this run. Dangle Duncan and Lowry out there and see if there’s anyone willing to bite and take them as is with no assets attached to them. Kind of like Portland did with Whiteside. In an ideal world you can turn Lowry and/or Duncan’s contract into a big wing or two that can play next to Bam.

Third, obviously the Herro question. He’s our best asset so the fact that he’s dangled in trade rumors is no slight to him, just think out of Jimm/Bam/Tyler, Tyler is the obvious expendable one. I wouldn’t move him just to move him but the goal should be to see what Herro plus 3 first round picks and Lowry or Duncan as salary filler potentially could get you. With the new CBA penalties starting in the 24/25 season, the goal should be to reshape this roster to make sure that it makes more sense. Right now too much money is being paid to guys who either don’t start or don’t finish games for us.

Finally, I think there is more that Caleb has to offer that Spo can unlock. In an ideal world we get a real PF so that Caleb and focus on being a big SG which is what he’s always been. I’d also be interested in seeing if Charlotte would be willing to trade us Cody Martin on the cheap. Maybe in a sign and trade for Strus or something.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Regarding Dame, players that declare their intention get to their destination. Players that don’t, end up in Cleveland. If Dame really wants out (i’m not convinced he does), he has to make it known and where he wants to be through the proper channels

KD tried that, and the Nets refused to trade him to us because they didnt want our package

KD wanted to be in Phoenix, thats where he got traded.

hmm, i thought there was a small time frame where he was pushing miami before he gave up

unless the ICC insider posts were fake?

[contract]

There’s a lot of things that annoyed me last night but I can’t get over the Zeller minutes.

No one ever truly recovers from Zeller minutes.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What you mean by can't be traded until July 9th? You talking about our pick or Lillard?

Dame can’t be traded until July 9th because of the extension he signed

Is this applicable to Dame? Because what I'm reading states anyone signing a veteran extension contract after August 9, 2022 are legally and contractually unable to be traded at any point during the regular season.

Dame signed his 2yr extension on July 29th.

It’s a certain time period starting from the day the extension is signed, that number of days ends on July 9th based on the timing for Dame per Spotrac

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

What an emotional roller coaster this playoff run was man. I think we should obviously take a ton of positives from it. First, this core looked finished and it looked like we needed a major overhaul to just compete in the East. While we still need big changes it was awesome to see how close we still are so long as we have Jimmy and Bam.

Second, Lowry and Duncan entered the playoffs with two of the worst contracts in the league. Now though? I think Lowry is a very attractive expiring (cheaper and better than Westbrook was imo, with the added benefit that he’s a good locker room guy). Obviously now is the time to cash in if possible and not be emotional about the roster after this run. Dangle Duncan and Lowry out there and see if there’s anyone willing to bite and take them as is with no assets attached to them. Kind of like Portland did with Whiteside. In an ideal world you can turn Lowry and/or Duncan’s contract into a big wing or two that can play next to Bam.

Third, obviously the Herro question. He’s our best asset so the fact that he’s dangled in trade rumors is no slight to him, just think out of Jimm/Bam/Tyler, Tyler is the obvious expendable one. I wouldn’t move him just to move him but the goal should be to see what Herro plus 3 first round picks and Lowry or Duncan as salary filler potentially could get you. With the new CBA penalties starting in the 24/25 season, the goal should be to reshape this roster to make sure that it makes more sense. Right now too much money is being paid to guys who either don’t start or don’t finish games for us.

Finally, I think there is more that Caleb has to offer that Spo can unlock. In an ideal world we get a real PF so that Caleb and focus on being a big SG which is what he’s always been. I’d also be interested in seeing if Charlotte would be willing to trade us Cody Martin on the cheap. Maybe in a sign and trade for Strus or something.

agree on cody martin.

Duncan actually played well for us... made his contract look fine in the playoffs.


But yes we need a reliable scorer. Denver had TWO in Murray and Jokic. We had 0, as Bam is not a reliable scorer, and Jimmy doesnt like to do it anyway.

[dean456]

KD tried that, and the Nets refused to trade him to us because they didnt want our package

KD wanted to be in Phoenix, thats where he got traded.

hmm, i thought there was a small time frame where he was pushing miami before he gave up

unless the ICC insider posts were fake?

It started as him wanting PHX or MIA but I believe it came out after that PHX was KD's preferred destination. Also PHX made a lot more sense from an asset perspective as Miami had only 2FRPs to trade and PHX had 4, Herro's extension hadn't kicked in, not to mention all our players lost value with Kyle being injured in the playoffs, Robinson becoming unplayable.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

KD wanted to be in Phoenix, thats where he got traded.

hmm, i thought there was a small time frame where he was pushing miami before he gave up

unless the ICC insider posts were fake?

It started as him wanting PHX or MIA but I believe it came out after that PHX was KD's preferred destination. Also PHX made a lot more sense from an asset perspective as Miami had only 2FRPs to trade and PHX had 4, Herro's extension hadn't kicked in, not to mention all our players lost value with Kyle being injured in the playoffs, Robinson becoming unplayable.

ehh, sounds about right for KD. That chump is so stupid. He keeps putting himself in the hands of wack franchises (compared to Miami) instead of just putting himself in Pat and Spo's hands.

At this point we dont want him, hes not fit for our jersey.


Give us DAME!

[al bondiga]

jeje...cancun... Haven't been there in decades... Okay place, but From what i've heard, these days you can easily get an std

We heat fans, team/org should keep it in our pants, Our sex drive is huge

Judging from this post season AND The last two decades it is the biggest one by far in the NBA

ja... I guess everything comes with a price tag to be paid

[contract]

Finally, I think there is more that Caleb has to offer that Spo can unlock. In an ideal world we get a real PF so that Caleb and focus on being a big SG which is what he’s always been. I’d also be interested in seeing if Charlotte would be willing to trade us Cody Martin on the cheap. Maybe in a sign and trade for Strus or something.

I don't think Martin handles the ball well enough to be a wing. Certainly not a back court player. I think his future is pretty much what it was this season. Scrapping with bigger players, mostly as a backup.

[dean456]

Dame can’t be traded until July 9th because of the extension he signed

Is this applicable to Dame? Because what I'm reading states anyone signing a veteran extension contract after August 9, 2022 are legally and contractually unable to be traded at any point during the regular season.

Dame signed his 2yr extension on July 29th.

It’s a certain time period starting from the day the extension is signed, that number of days ends on July 9th based on the timing for Dame per Spotrac

I'm not sure this is correct.

I found this,

"That’s not necessarily the case for a player who signs a veteran contract extension. A player who signs a veteran extension that locks him up for more than three total years (including his current contract) and/or includes a raise higher than 5% become ineligible to be traded for the next six months"

And on Spotrack it says this.

"Players that signed a free agent contract after November 9, 2022 or a veteran extension contract after August 9, 2022 are legally and contractually unable to be traded at any point during the regular season. Free agent signings come with a 3-month trade restriction from the day of signing. Certain veteran extension signings, that are above the extend-and-trade rules, come with a 6-month trade restriction. Players that signed one of these contracts after those specific dates listed above would have their trade restriction lifted beyond the NBA Trade Deadline on February 9th."

So seems like the rule is, if you sign an extension before August 9th you are eligible to be traded in 6 months or by the trade deadline of that season but if you sign your extension after August 9th you are not eligible to be traded the whole season until the following offseason.

[al bondiga]

Great posts guys... It made the the season a lot more fun... Will miss you