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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0 

Post#81 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:58 pm

Wiltside wrote:Caruso ain’t worth Caleb plus a pick. Caleb alone, probably, given JJJ looks capable.

Caruso has a partial guarantee for next season and then becomes a UFA in 2025 offseason. If we traded him for Caleb straight up I see that as a win, since were overcrowded on the wings, JJJ all the back up SF minutes we can there. Your probable losing Caleb in free agency next year. You get one more year of a very aggressive defender in a position of need.

You would see those Caruso, Jimmy, JJJ, Highsmith, Bam shutdown lineups at end of games.
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Post#82 » by Wiltside » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:00 pm

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Wiltside wrote:Caruso ain’t worth Caleb plus a pick. Caleb alone, probably, given JJJ looks capable.

Caruso has a partial guarantee for next season and then becomes a UFA in 2025 offseason. If we traded him for Caleb straight up I see that as a win, since were overcrowded on the wings, JJJ all the back up SF minutes we can there. Your probable losing Caleb in free agency next year. You get one more year of a very aggressive defender in a position of need.

You would see those Caruso, Jimmy, JJJ, Highsmith, Bam shutdown lineups at end of games.


I agree with you ICC. I’d probably do it.
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Post#83 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:20 pm

Kyle Lowry has a serious medical condition, he eats too many doughnuts. He needs to medically retire and NBA give us salary cap space
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Post#84 » by oreon » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:40 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I hope Herro can get out of this cycle and stay healthy when he gets back because we need him healthy and we need him playing at a high level.

Time will tell though and if he’s in and out all year and hurt when the playoffs come around that label is sticking lol


The last 2 injuries were contact injuries. He was just unlucky, could have happened to anyone


Right but it didn’t lol it happened to a player on our team that is prone to timely injuries.


That's why he's unlucky. This isn't the first time a player has stepped on another foot and turned an ankle. It happens all the time. Prime Lebron and Giannis are the only two I've seen being able to shake an ankle sprain off in a game and not miss time. Most players will miss time. And the finger thing, I don't know what the hell he did. That one, maybe we can put on him. He should have been smarter and let it go.
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Post#85 » by oreon » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:45 pm

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Wiltside wrote:Caruso ain’t worth Caleb plus a pick. Caleb alone, probably, given JJJ looks capable.

Caruso has a partial guarantee for next season and then becomes a UFA in 2025 offseason. If we traded him for Caleb straight up I see that as a win, since were overcrowded on the wings, JJJ all the back up SF minutes we can there. Your probable losing Caleb in free agency next year. You get one more year of a very aggressive defender in a position of need.

You would see those Caruso, Jimmy, JJJ, Highsmith, Bam shutdown lineups at end of games.


Nah. We just saw Caleb be the best player in the ECF in a series with Tatum, Jaylen, Butler, Bam. He's a far higher ceiling than Caruso and our current wings outside Butler. In terms of top end talent, I don't think we are top 5 in the league. To win it all, you're gonna need a role player above his usual capacity. Caleb can do that. Caruso is nice but I don't see him having an elite offensive performance in a series.
I'm sure we will loose him next summer because of his contract but I'd like to have him going into this playoffs. He's shown in a game or in a series he can play to an all star level.
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Post#86 » by Wiltside » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:02 am

Is this Duncan’s best season since his breakout 19-20 season?
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Post#87 » by DayofMourning » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:09 am

Wiltside wrote:Is this Duncan’s best season since his breakout 19-20 season?


I hope so.
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Post#88 » by dshearn » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:33 am

Hi guys, Happy Monday


Just wanted to drop in and remind everyone that Bam is finally worthy of 3ammy's praise and looks insanely good, the young guy we forgot to trade in the offseason looks like a steal....and Duncan is worth his salary again.....

Even Dru should not be traded for a bag of chips....

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Post#89 » by gom » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:43 am

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Wiltside wrote:Caruso ain’t worth Caleb plus a pick. Caleb alone, probably, given JJJ looks capable.

Caruso has a partial guarantee for next season and then becomes a UFA in 2025 offseason. If we traded him for Caleb straight up I see that as a win, since were overcrowded on the wings, JJJ all the back up SF minutes we can there. Your probable losing Caleb in free agency next year. You get one more year of a very aggressive defender in a position of need.

You would see those Caruso, Jimmy, JJJ, Highsmith, Bam shutdown lineups at end of games.


Wait. You want to trade Caleb Martin? That's whacky.

You cannot have too many wings in the NBA.
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Post#90 » by Wiltside » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:20 am

gom wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:
Wiltside wrote:Caruso ain’t worth Caleb plus a pick. Caleb alone, probably, given JJJ looks capable.

Caruso has a partial guarantee for next season and then becomes a UFA in 2025 offseason. If we traded him for Caleb straight up I see that as a win, since were overcrowded on the wings, JJJ all the back up SF minutes we can there. Your probable losing Caleb in free agency next year. You get one more year of a very aggressive defender in a position of need.

You would see those Caruso, Jimmy, JJJ, Highsmith, Bam shutdown lineups at end of games.


Wait. You want to trade Caleb Martin? That's whacky.

You cannot have too many wings in the NBA.


He’s likely to price himself out of our range this offseason gom. Caruso can play wing too, he’s a similar size to Caleb. Plus we have JJJ and Cain in the wings too.

Caruso is owed $9.8m next season, and I’ll bet that Caleb gets a deal at the mid level at a minimum. He’s going to get Strus money in most likelihood.

Mind you, would like to have Caleb back and healthy soon. He’s an importance piece we haven’t seen really at all this year so far.
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Post#91 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:43 am

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gom wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:Caruso has a partial guarantee for next season and then becomes a UFA in 2025 offseason. If we traded him for Caleb straight up I see that as a win, since were overcrowded on the wings, JJJ all the back up SF minutes we can there. Your probable losing Caleb in free agency next year. You get one more year of a very aggressive defender in a position of need.

You would see those Caruso, Jimmy, JJJ, Highsmith, Bam shutdown lineups at end of games.


Wait. You want to trade Caleb Martin? That's whacky.

You cannot have too many wings in the NBA.


He’s likely to price himself out of our range this offseason gom. Caruso can play wing too, he’s a similar size to Caleb. Plus we have JJJ and Cain in the wings too.

Caruso is owed $9.8m next season, and I’ll bet that Caleb gets a deal at the mid level at a minimum. He’s going to get Strus money in most likelihood.

Mind you, would like to have Caleb back and healthy soon. He’s an importance piece we haven’t seen really at all this year so far.

Mid level exception next year is 13 mil, someone will probably offer him that.
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Post#92 » by VaDe255 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:16 am

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Wiltside wrote:
gom wrote:
Wait. You want to trade Caleb Martin? That's whacky.

You cannot have too many wings in the NBA.


He’s likely to price himself out of our range this offseason gom. Caruso can play wing too, he’s a similar size to Caleb. Plus we have JJJ and Cain in the wings too.

Caruso is owed $9.8m next season, and I’ll bet that Caleb gets a deal at the mid level at a minimum. He’s going to get Strus money in most likelihood.

Mind you, would like to have Caleb back and healthy soon. He’s an importance piece we haven’t seen really at all this year so far.

Mid level exception next year is 13 mil, someone will probably offer him that.


Heat might just resign him.
Right now there is not much incentive to do a trade, the roster looks fine, all roles/positions are pretty much accounted for with Dru looking like a solid backup.

Bam / Love / Bryant
Highsmith / JJJ
Jimmy / Caleb
Herro / Duncan
Lowry / JRich / Dru

I don't know how much of an upgrade a guy like Tyus / Morris, who might be available later would be. In the playoffs you might even want Lowry due to his experience and hustle.

Heat probably just let Lowry expire and have more options next year (including resigning Caleb). Maybe some really good players become available at trade deadline, but it looks like they won't make any trades at all.
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Post#93 » by Pokuokic » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:08 am

Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......
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Post#94 » by KingDavid » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:56 pm

Pokuokic wrote:Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.
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Post#95 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:03 pm

KingDavid wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.

Its not a single offseason off work, you could tell he started to implement these things like 2 years ago, and we were laughing because it looked really bad when he first did them, I remember the fanbase screaming just shoot threes and stop driving to the basket. Repetition, and last years playoffs proved that that he is getting better at it.
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Post#96 » by KingDavid » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:32 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
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Pokuokic wrote:Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.

Its not a single offseason off work, you could tell he started to implement these things like 2 years ago, and we were laughing because it looked really bad when he first did them, I remember the fanbase screaming just shoot threes and stop driving to the basket. Repetition, and last years playoffs proved that that he is getting better at it.

I'm guessing this is why Bam is still shy to let the 3s fly. Developing new skills takes much more work and time than I initially thought. It was probably there for Duncan, but not at a polished NBA professional level.

I was one of the goofs saying he should stick to shooting 3s. Clearly he and the staff know what they're doing.

I mean, look at Bam. He's glorious. I didn't see this coming when we drafted him. But it took YEARS.
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Post#97 » by gom » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:46 pm

KingDavid wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.


He was a point guard until he was 17.
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Post#98 » by gom » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:48 pm

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Wiltside wrote:
gom wrote:
Wait. You want to trade Caleb Martin? That's whacky.

You cannot have too many wings in the NBA.


He’s likely to price himself out of our range this offseason gom. Caruso can play wing too, he’s a similar size to Caleb. Plus we have JJJ and Cain in the wings too.

Caruso is owed $9.8m next season, and I’ll bet that Caleb gets a deal at the mid level at a minimum. He’s going to get Strus money in most likelihood.

Mind you, would like to have Caleb back and healthy soon. He’s an importance piece we haven’t seen really at all this year so far.

Mid level exception next year is 13 mil, someone will probably offer him that.


Once Lowry expires Miami has a non-taxpayer mle.
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Post#99 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:49 pm

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twix2500 wrote:
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If Harden was still any good, he wouldn't have been a good fit for us due to his style of play.

Lillard is Lowry 2.0. Would be a good asset but not for what he's being paid. At this stage of his career, he should be making no more than 20M/yr
Damn boi yall are ruthless. Yall expecting these guys to be plug and play.

Right, I do remember a time where Miami added LeBron and Bosh and it took them a while to figure it out. I think those 3 started out somewhere around 9-8?


Yep just pointed this same thing out in the around the nba thread. A lot of knee jerk reactions on 5 game sample sizes for guys like Harden Dame and Beal, it takes time.

Dame for example, if he were here he would be running the entire show offensively basically. We would be spamming 2 man actions with him and Bam while Jimmy is slashing like Wade used to and spotting up as he’s clearly worked on his 3. We would at minimum have like 2 more wins and Dame would be in the MVP race.

Like you said too, you can’t make judgements on guys 5 games in and you also can’t compare what guys are doing with a certain coach and make assumptions Spo wouldn’t make them better.

Honestly think Dame is depressed, he does not look happy at all in Milwaukee. I think it’s several things, he saw his years of loyalty meant literally nothing to the Blazers as they wouldn’t listen to his requests. Then the Blazers were about to send him to Toronto so he panicked and accepted a deal to the Bucks when he was adamant on only wanting Miami. He’s not being used right in Milwaukee and he’s more of a decoy.

On top of all this he’s also going through a divorce, these guys are human too.
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Post#100 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:50 pm

oreon wrote:
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The last 2 injuries were contact injuries. He was just unlucky, could have happened to anyone


Right but it didn’t lol it happened to a player on our team that is prone to timely injuries.


That's why he's unlucky. This isn't the first time a player has stepped on another foot and turned an ankle. It happens all the time. Prime Lebron and Giannis are the only two I've seen being able to shake an ankle sprain off in a game and not miss time. Most players will miss time. And the finger thing, I don't know what the hell he did. That one, maybe we can put on him. He should have been smarter and let it go.
If these 2 freak happened to anyone else on the team, they're missing time.


Hopefully this is the last one and he can build on his start to the season with it also resulting in wins!!
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