Question: Trade #2 Pick to the Bulls?

[Wingy]

2#Beasley- Marion,Banks For Dirk,Stackhouse,2009 First(top 3 protected).

You're a Heat fan right??

[Heat11114]

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I don't either. I think you take Beasley and go home smiling. Second most likely would be to trade down with MN to grab Mayo and an asset.

What other kinds of packages do you think you might be able to get if a trade were considered and Riley wants to go the more veteran route?

Something built around Brand? Dirk perhaps if Dallas wants to blow it up? What do you think might possibly be out there?

I'm probably the biggest proponent of getting Brand here, I firmly believe he'll return to his 20-10-2.5 block self and I would consider Brand and thus a 20-10-2.5 player the minimum of trading #2.

[Heat11114]

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I don't either. I think you take Beasley and go home smiling. Second most likely would be to trade down with MN to grab Mayo and an asset.

What other kinds of packages do you think you might be able to get if a trade were considered and Riley wants to go the more veteran route?

Something built around Brand? Dirk perhaps if Dallas wants to blow it up? What do you think might possibly be out there?

posted that twice...

[GameTime_3]

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You're a Heat fan right??

C-Blount
PF-Dirk
SF-Dorrel-Stack
SG-Wade-Cook
PG-(FA)-

2009 we go after a Max player with Stack coming off the books. Remember we lose Banks Contract and get a 1st from dallas, I see them as a team going down.

[BBallFreak]

I'm probably the biggest proponent of getting Brand here, I firmly believe he'll return to his 20-10-2.5 block self and I would consider Brand and thus a 20-10-2.5 player the minimum of trading #2.

Wow, you and I agree.

But Wingy, go look at your board. You have a wide majority of people over there saying Wade isn't worth the number 1, and a handful saying that he is, but the only filler they'd give is Larry freaking Hughes.

Why are we even discussing a deal that sees us giving up a pick that holds pretty much the same value for your scraps?

[Wingy]

But Wingy, go look at your board. You have a wide majority of people over there saying Wade isn't worth the number 1, and a handful saying that he is, but the only filler they'd give is Larry freaking Hughes.

Why are we even discussing a deal that sees us giving up a pick that holds pretty much the same value for your scraps?

There's a couple factors here. One is that we are one of the most active/highly populated boards...we have a ton of people that know what they're talking about...but on the other hand we have a lot that do not. The Rose/Chicago thing also factors in I'm sure. I'm not from there so that doesn't affect my opinions.

Then there's the trash/treasure thing we've touched on a few posts back. Guys you see as "scraps", we see as nice prospects that we hold in high regard. People are concerned about Wade's health and why shouldn't they be? He's been nicked up a lot so early in his career and his style of play leads to a ton of punishment. That combined with the way we view our guys....it looks like we could be mortgaging out entire future for a guy who is yes, absolutely spectacular...but could be missing major time year in and year out.

Basically, it comes down to end of discussion. I understand that you guys will always see our proposals as weak because we value our young guys way more than you possibly could from your pov.

[MartyConlonJr]

Wade's injuries are so overblown. He's missed, over the last 4 seasons, 13 games due to various small injuries, on top of the one major injury he sustained (the shoulder dislocation and subsequent left knee issues from coming back too soon). He sustained that major injury on a swipe going for a steal, it was a fluke injury that had nothing to do with his reckless style of slashing to the basket, but people still think he gets injured every second game on drives.

He does get sprains here and there and misses a game or two, but that is not a major deal. Here are all of his missed games through his career:

03-04
Sprained right foot 3 games
Sprained left foot 2 games
Sprained right wrist 1 game
Bruised right wrist 13 games
Right hip pointer 2 games

04-05
Sat out last game of season (healthy) 1 game
Back spasms/Rib contusion 2 games
Sprained left ankle 2 games

05-06
Sat out last 2 games of season (healthy) 2 games
Flu 1 game
Sprained right wrist 2 games
Left shin contusion 1 game
Unknown 1 game

06-07
Wisdom teeth removed 2 games
Sprained right wrist 4 games
Sprained left ankle 1 game
Dislocated left shoulder 23 games
Sat out last game of season (healthy) 1 game

07-08
Offseason surgery 7 games
Left knee injury 23 games
Flu 1 game

He's essentially missed 53 games to one injury and 7 games to various non injury related things (skipping final games before playoffs, wisdom teeth, the flu) He missed a further 13 games his first year to a bruised right wrist. Other than that it's been 22 games missed in his career (4.4 games per season) to various niggling sprains.

But I don't need to sell you on Wade's health.

[cavsfan_osiris]

Miami would be making a huge mistake to trade the #2 for a bunch of mediocre players. I'd rather roll the dice and possibly get a future star. Miami is rebuilding, the worst thing they can do is trade a high draft pick.

Also it might be a taboo subject to talk about but there is no guarantee Wade will get his explosiveness back. He might get it back, he's still young. Even if the doesn't get it back he's still a good player, but there is a chance he can't be Flash again. With that possibility and Marion most likely not a part of the future the Heat shouldn't even be thinking about trading the #2, especially not before the draft.

[TheGreatPooter]

Miami would be making a huge mistake to trade the #2 for a bunch of mediocre players. I'd rather roll the dice and possibly get a future star. Miami is rebuilding, the worst thing they can do is trade a high draft pick.

Also it might be a taboo subject to talk about but there is no guarantee Wade will get his explosiveness back. He might get it back, he's still young. Even if the doesn't get it back he's still a good player, but there is a chance he can't be Flash again. With that possibility and Marion most likely not a part of the future the Heat shouldn't even be thinking about trading the #2, especially not before the draft.

wade will be fine. and so will our team. thanks.

[BBallFreak]

wade will be fine. and so will our team. thanks.

No need to be curt. He made some valid points, and did so respectfully.

I don't think that it's that we shouldn't trade the pick as much as we damn well better be sure about what we're getting for that pick, be it a sure fire prospect or a young star player in trade.

[Dexmor]

Mayo is a great third option but Beasley is the 2nd pick. He would be a great first pick if Rose wasn't the next best pg in the game along with Paul.

[Heat11114]

Mayo is a great third option but Beasley is the 2nd pick. He would be a great first pick if Rose wasn't the next best pg in the game along with Paul.

When in the hell did Rose become god?

[Dieselbound&Down]

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When in the hell did Rose become god?

On the Bulls board, he became god on 5/20/08 at about 8:25 EST.

Keep the pick, take Beasley and enjoy having a spectacular team.