Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[Heat_Fan_87]

bam will have to play center if he is reeds replacement. he's playing in summer league so we should get an early idea where the heat see him.

edit-meant to quote bish

[RJM]

I hope Bam focuses on being a PF. He's sized for it and can do more to help Miami next to Whiteside as the best PF he can be.

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Just got waived. Cheap backup center.

[leoshes]

I have seen this, I interpret it as him being a versatile 5. Not sure I can believe we scouted him last year with the belief he can up and play the 4. Type of versatility Tristan Thompson brings in a 3-pt centric league is a great example of how he can attribute. He and Whiteside could make us a real threat on the boards and he could fill in, in match-ups, where Whiteside can't stay on the floor

You & most HEAT fans care more about offense then defense, but this team cares more about defense, then offense.

& thats why there are always so many HEAT fans crying about one thing or another.

Until we're talking about Winslow Leo, I'm not sure you even understand what we're talking about but you wanted a response so here

What i meant was that Pat believes that you can play whatever position you can defend.

[Bishop45]

You & most HEAT fans care more about offense then defense, but this team cares more about defense, then offense.

& thats why there are always so many HEAT fans crying about one thing or another.

Until we're talking about Winslow Leo, I'm not sure you even understand what we're talking about but you wanted a response so here

What i meant was that Pat believes that you can play whatever position you can defend.

Never refuted that, he can guard both front court positions

[contract]

I hope Bam focuses on being a PF. He's sized for it and can do more to help Miami next to Whiteside as the best PF he can be.

Spoiler:

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Just got waived. Cheap backup center.

We just drafted one. Until our offense (and talent) changes, our PFs need to be stretch 4s. That ain't Bam.

[JLop]

lol, where did you see this?

"According to Raymona Shelbourne."

-Mike Ryan, The Dan Lebatard Show

well, she is more connected than any of us, so thats good

i also read that PG wants to play with hayward.

a core of dragic, pg, hayward and whiteside is interesting.

right now i have is at 32.2mil in space available. following cuts add;
ellington- 6.2mil
bob stretch -4mil.

so we get an additional 10mil by stretching bob and not bringing ellington back.

thats just over 40mil in space,

not sure the trade would work but we would have to move tj+parts for Paul george, also probably inclue a future pick but thats an interesting squad

dragic
hayward
PG
james johnson
whiteside

other option would be trading dragic for PG and clearing up more space for cp3

cp3
haywrd
pg
?
whiteside

i can see hayward taking a little less to field a contender and also the lack of state tax helps.

If we signed Chris Paul, the ideal power forward for that group could be Carmelo Anthony. The best case scenario should be a trade to acquire Paul George around the month of January (as long as he is ok with it). This way $11,888,886 is all the salary space that we need (Tyler Johnson $5,881,260 + Edrice Adebayo $2,075,300 + Justise Winslow $2,705,040 and Luke Babbitt $1,227,286). We could sign Luke Babbitt using his early bird rights for the amount of $8,000,000.

Hassan Whiteside (age 27)-----------$23,775,506
Carmelo Anthony (age 33)-----------(a contract buyout)
Paul George (age 27)------------------$11,888,886 (salary space that we need) ($19,508,958 after the trade)
Gordon Hayward (age 27)------------$29,700,000
Chris Paul (age 32)---------------------$28,000,000
Total--------------------------------------$93,364,392

[contract]

You & most HEAT fans care more about offense then defense, but this team cares more about defense, then offense.

& thats why there are always so many HEAT fans crying about one thing or another.

Until we're talking about Winslow Leo, I'm not sure you even understand what we're talking about but you wanted a response so here

What i meant was that Pat believes that you can play whatever position you can defend.

I'm not sure Spo agrees with that. He did put Babbitt out there most of the year. We could just as easily have found some hard hat journeyman PF for the minimum.

[leoshes]

Until we're talking about Winslow Leo, I'm not sure you even understand what we're talking about but you wanted a response so here

What i meant was that Pat believes that you can play whatever position you can defend.

I'm not sure Spo agree with that. He did put Babbitt out there most of the year. We could just as easily have found some hard hat journeyman PF for the minimum.

Yeah Spo does like his small ball, but Pat like his big men. Either way its good to be able to switch depending on the competition.

It will all depend, on Bams quickness, ball handling, & range. If he can develop them then i dont see why he cant play some PF.

[Bishop45]

What i meant was that Pat believes that you can play whatever position you can defend.

I'm not sure Spo agree with that. He did put Babbitt out there most of the year. We could just as easily have found some hard hat journeyman PF for the minimum.

Yeah Spo does like his small ball, but Pat like his big men. Either way its good to be able to switch depending on the competition.

It will all depend, on Bams quickness, ball handling, & range. If he can develop them then i dont see why he cant play some PF.

The *ifs are what we were discussing, they're large enough to imagine that we didn't drafted him for his PF potential. Especially when there were other PF's (That played PF) with similar tools and much more PF experience

[HeatIn5]

One of the things that Pat talked about when talking about Bam's fit is that they need more depth in the front court. I think that there is a very good chance that unless we get one of the big fish (Griffin, Hayward) that we try to bring Weed back with our MLE to be our backup 5. If we bring back Waiters/JJ/Ellington I could see them starting Bam and bringing JJ off the bench with TJ. Something like this:

Dragic/TJ/Richardson
Waiters/Ellington/Williams (SL)
McGruder/Winslow/White
Bam/JJ/McBob
Hassan/Reed/Haslem

I think that some variation of this (switch Williams out with any other wing name) is the most likely candidate to be our roster next year.

That 2nd unit is downright scary with another year of chemistry between them and adding Winslow to it. The front court in our first unit is also improved tremendously on the defensive end.

[leoshes]

I'm not sure Spo agree with that. He did put Babbitt out there most of the year. We could just as easily have found some hard hat journeyman PF for the minimum.

Yeah Spo does like his small ball, but Pat like his big men. Either way its good to be able to switch depending on the competition.

It will all depend, on Bams quickness, ball handling, & range. If he can develop them then i dont see why he cant play some PF.

The *ifs are what we were discussing, they're large enough to imagine that we didn't drafted him for his PF potential. Especially when there were other PF's (That played PF) with similar tools and much more PF experience

No i believe that they did draft him to play PF. Just not off the bat. I think that he will get most his min as a replacement for Reed, & as he learns the offense & becomes more comfortable with his own game then he will start playing more at PF. Either way at least he can already play both positions defensively.

[twix2500]

They drafted him to play PF/C. Thats what they were looking for

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[radikalBaller]

I don't know why we think Bam can play PF next to whiteside, his foot reaction time is to slow to play PF in today's nba, plus he would kill any spacing we could have as he is an unproven 3pt shooter and shot free throws at a 60% conversion rate like Joel Anthony.

We need to cop with reality here, we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center, that's it, that's all, basketball !

We are still weak at PF, we need to find another versatile big wing like JJ, all our other wings are 6-6 and under...not a good look

[radikalBaller]

What is weird is Reed doing all the right things welcoming Bam to the team and attending all those workouts at the AAA while Riley does not even mention him in his press conference, they even said that until they drafted Bam, UD was our only option at backup C.

I wish Willie did not play himself out of our budget and that we went for a big wing on draft night. My only explanation to this pick is that Pat already has a deal agreed with Hayward and that he needed to clear Reed potential 10 milliuon salary to bring back JJ and Dion.

If not, Pat has lost it and still lives in the 80s/90s thinking we could play Bam at PF next to Whiteside lol

[Hallstar]

I don't believe you draft a backup center in the lottery. That would be crazy imo. If he shows anything, Hassan is likely in play. That's how I justify the pick. That's what keeps me from throwing furniture.

And UD is not our backup C, not for us or any NBA team, he's a name collecting a vet min check.

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[radikalBaller]

I hope I am wrong and I love Bam he seems to be a great kid, but there is not a single expert that wasn't scratching their head at our selection in term of need.

[Mukesh]

Rubio off the bench would be cool, but no way will the Teen Wolves want tj and his contract and mcbob without taking picks in return.

Rubio starts, TJ off bench.

I would trade Dragic and McRoberts for Rubio and an unprotected 1st round pick. Rubio played really well the 2nd half of rhe season.

Adebayo's future will probably be at PF but he needs to work on his shot some more. We should sign a good shooter like Omri Casspi to play PF for the short term.

PG Rubio / TJ / Richardson
SG Waiters / Ellington / Williams (SL)
SF McGruder / Winslow / White
PF Casspi (FA) / JJ / Babbitt
C Whiteside / Adebayo / Haslem

[Sgt P]

I would like to see summer league before making any judgment on weather Bam can play 4... So far on defensive side he is a good fit next to Hassan. We have too many natural 2 & 3. Also given our history with injuries this past season; I like that FO did not take a risk on any players with injury issues.

[HeatFanLifer]

I hope I am wrong and I love Bam he seems to be a great kid, but there is not a single expert that wasn't scratching their head at our selection in term of need.

In the Heats opinion, he was best player available. Doesn't matter that he's in a position of less priority. If he has solid talent, but the Heat can't find a way for him and Whiteside to work together then they could always trade him for probably more value than just the 14th pick in the draft would have given them.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Even if we pretty much only resign Waiters and JJ we could always add one or both of them in a trade involving our 2019 1st rounder and maybe another 1st rounder(2023?) in 2018 for a true whale. Westbrook to the Heat in 2018?