Offseason Thread VOL 5 - I WILL BRING LIGHT

[Rapaz]

I do not condone such vile inappropriate mention of penis's related discussions amongst a thread that can potentially land KD.

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What we want: Snek
What we can afford: Millsap
What we deserve: Small pp

[dagger151]

My prediction: Heat sign Herro to 4/100 deal and grab a filler at PF, then make a big trade at the deadline mid season. This is the better path. Of course, Id prefer to land a whale now and not give up BAM or Jimmy, but the costs seem too high right now for an impact player.

Riley will deliver, he wont stand Pat...pun intended. Patience my friends, let this play out and support the team. Duncan cant be much worse and someone will need a sharpshooter to replace an injured one and its then when value is potentially higher. Dipo is going to be better, Lowry still has value as long as he isnt fat, Jovic will get some experience, BAM/Herro take a step forward and Jimmy will be Jimmy.

Maybe im being an optimist, but I have faith this team will continue to grow and improve and Riley will pounce when teams are more desperate.

[greg4012]

Y’all are in the denial stage accept it

No one’s in denial, the goal was always KD.

Let’s not act like multiple posters didn’t want Mitchell..some even preferred Mitchell over KD

Context matters. Some posters preferred Mitchell if it was cheaper than KD.

I always preferred the immediate option of KD, knowing that we'd have an optimal shot at Mitchell or other similar caliber star still in his prime in 3 years at the end of Butler and KD contracts

[IceColdCubano]

Alright boys, sauces came early today!!! Hot of the presses...

1. Utah/Donovan - Miami gave their best offer yesterday during the presentation in the afternoon. They will not be leveraged anymore to one up New York's current proposal. A couple of things, my boy was actually able to scan through the actual power point presentation and was impressed. It was tailored made to showcase Herro, on the benefits to their team, contractually based on his projections vs cost, actually had algorithms and analytics based on social media impacts on his fanbase, etc, essentially some sort of algorithms of what players pulls more fans than others, kinda cool to know the team is that in depth. The team feels their is interest there for Herro from Ainge, however he is asking for way too much. In fact based on conversation with New Yorks GM, their offer is still off even though they are in the lead from anybody else on picks. Miami feels like Ainge might hold New York hostage and let this ride into the season hope they get desperate and offload everything they have to make a mid season trade. Miami is walking away at the moment unless Utah comes back and shows more interest in getting Miami back into the fold.

2. Brooklyn/Durant - Across the league Brooklyn continues to make calls and have conversations only a few teams are still showing some interest but there isn't anything out there sent back to Miami to Negotiate higher, in fact a lot of teams have very good communication and some GM's are transparent as far where they are package wise without giving up specifics as nobody wants to outbid a ghost for Durant, so teams do not want to set a precedence where they are taken advantage off based on the Gobert trade which Mini essentially outbid a ghost package that was never on the table. Durant is not backing down on wanting to be traded, if he had Brooklyn would have started used this tactic already to drive up the Durant price, in fact their GM has been very transparent on all communication to a degree which is good. This is taking a while due to the expectations that were set early on, the league/media kept selling the biggest return package in History of basketball and it just has not been the case. Expectations around the league is that Indiana has given Phoenix until the end of this week to find the mythical 4 team trade to get Durant, which has not materialized, there are talks from owners right now that Durant has set this precedence that is unacceptable and they are not playing ball to help him go to any preferred destination its gonna have to be an organization that has a good relationship willing to help a superstar get out of playing his 4 year contract. Miami luckily already has their ducks in a row with the final presentation in place. All things look to have Miami as lock to get Durant, without every getting Bam involved which is good news for the fan base.

3. There are 2-3 trades available once the Durant/Mitchell saga passes if Miami is unable to land either. The teams are respectful of Miami's all in approach and are awaiting the negotiations to be finalized to move Duncan, Picks, Yurt to get a starting level PF. There is another high to mid level profile trade available also using Herro with Duncan, Yurt, Picks to receive a multi player assortment to load up our Depth for quality role players if they want to go that route.

4. Bam & Jimmy have been doing a really good job of recruiting both Durant & Donovan this offseason they are in their ear constantly. Miami really appreciates this and knows how important player to player communication can be to offseason success.

[greg4012]

Alright boys, sauces came early today!!! Hot of the presses...

1. Utah/Donovan - Miami gave their best offer yesterday during the presentation in the afternoon. They will not be leveraged anymore to one up New York's current proposal. A couple of things, my boy was actually able to scan through the actual power point presentation and was impressed. It was tailored made to showcase Herro, on the benefits to their team, contractually based on his projections vs cost, actually had algorithms and analytics based on social media impacts on his fanbase, etc, essentially some sort of algorithms of what players pulls more fans than others, kinda cool to know the team is that in depth. The team feels their is interest there for Herro from Ainge, however he is asking for way too much. In fact based on conversation with New Yorks GM, their offer is still off even though they are in the lead from anybody else on picks. Miami feels like Ainge might hold New York hostage and let this ride into the season hope they get desperate and offload everything they have to make a mid season trade. Miami is walking away at the moment unless Utah comes back and shows more interest in getting Miami back into the fold.

2. Brooklyn/Durant - Across the league Brooklyn continues to make calls and have conversations only a few teams are still showing some interest but there isn't anything out there sent back to Miami to Negotiate higher, in fact a lot of teams have very good communication and some GM's are transparent as far where they are package wise without giving up specifics as nobody wants to outbid a ghost for Durant, so teams do not want to set a precedence where they are taken advantage off based on the Gobert trade which Mini essentially outbid a ghost package that was never on the table. Durant is not backing down on wanting to be traded, if he had Brooklyn would have started used this tactic already to drive up the Durant price, in fact their GM has been very transparent on all communication to a degree which is good. This is taking a while due to the expectations that were set early on, the league/media kept selling the biggest return package in History of basketball and it just has not been the case. Expectations around the league is that Indiana has given Phoenix until the end of this week to find the mythical 4 team trade to get Durant, which has not materialized, there are talks from owners right now that Durant has set this precedence that is unacceptable and they are not playing ball to help him go to any preferred destination its gonna have to be an organization that has a good relationship willing to help a superstar get out of playing his 4 year contract. Miami luckily already has their ducks in a row with the final presentation in place. All things look to have Miami as lock to get Durant, without every getting Bam involved which is good news for the fan base.

3. There are 2-3 trades available once the Durant/Mitchell saga passes if Miami is unable to land either. The teams are respectful of Miami's all in approach and are awaiting the negotiations to be finalized to move Duncan, Picks, Yurt to get a starting level PF. There is another high to mid level profile trade available also using Herro with Duncan, Yurt, Picks to receive a multi player assortment to load up our Depth for quality role players if they want to go that route.

4. Bam & Jimmy have been doing a really good job of recruiting both Durant & Donovan this offseason they are in their ear constantly. Miami really appreciates this and knows how important player to player communication can be to offseason success.

Good stuff ICC.

As some of us have said countless times throughout this offseason--trades are happening to renovate this roster one way or another. Staring at free agent lists was always a waste of time and energy (while inducing unneeded stress). Ideal is catching a whale like KD--which is still on the table as KD is OUT of BKN. But if not, the assets that Miami is ready to move will find us our 4 either in offseason or during season.

[HEATVols865]

I check this thread more than my work email

Unfortunately mr bbw has salted this.

FIXED IT!!!



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[greg4012]

I doubted the Mitchell to NYK viability because I foolishly assumed the Knicks would function as a reasonable operator. The proposed trade gives the Knicks some buzz and upgrades their team to playoff level in the short term while keeping them in the same cycle of struggle for the long term. In retrospect, mortgaging their future for a short term boost that doesn't equate to real contender is so knicks of them.

But, if the knicks are actually gonna make that move, then I'm ready to move on from Mitchell. Not viable for us at this time.

If we can get KD, Mitchell will be there for us once he goes through a couple years of the Knicks and Thibs experience. The Knicks will fall short and disappoint. Mitchell won't have a DPOY to balance out the team with his offense. Thibs will do what Thibs does and wear out his welcome and lose the team within the next 2 years and Mitchell will either (1) leave in FA or (2) seek a trade after 2 years where he will only have one more guaranteed year left on his contract and it will benefit the Knicks to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing in FA.

So let's get KD now and Mitchell in 2 years time on the cheap.

[marson]

Darkhorse team to land the snek. Wiseman/Wiggins/Moody/Kuminga plus picks would beat any offers in the league.

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[HEATVols865]

Alright boys, sauces came early today!!! Hot of the presses...

1. Utah/Donovan - Miami gave their best offer yesterday during the presentation in the afternoon. They will not be leveraged anymore to one up New York's current proposal. A couple of things, my boy was actually able to scan through the actual power point presentation and was impressed. It was tailored made to showcase Herro, on the benefits to their team, contractually based on his projections vs cost, actually had algorithms and analytics based on social media impacts on his fanbase, etc, essentially some sort of algorithms of what players pulls more fans than others, kinda cool to know the team is that in depth. The team feels their is interest there for Herro from Ainge, however he is asking for way too much. In fact based on conversation with New Yorks GM, their offer is still off even though they are in the lead from anybody else on picks. Miami feels like Ainge might hold New York hostage and let this ride into the season hope they get desperate and offload everything they have to make a mid season trade. Miami is walking away at the moment unless Utah comes back and shows more interest in getting Miami back into the fold.

2. Brooklyn/Durant - Across the league Brooklyn continues to make calls and have conversations only a few teams are still showing some interest but there isn't anything out there sent back to Miami to Negotiate higher, in fact a lot of teams have very good communication and some GM's are transparent as far where they are package wise without giving up specifics as nobody wants to outbid a ghost for Durant, so teams do not want to set a precedence where they are taken advantage off based on the Gobert trade which Mini essentially outbid a ghost package that was never on the table. Durant is not backing down on wanting to be traded, if he had Brooklyn would have started used this tactic already to drive up the Durant price, in fact their GM has been very transparent on all communication to a degree which is good. This is taking a while due to the expectations that were set early on, the league/media kept selling the biggest return package in History of basketball and it just has not been the case. Expectations around the league is that Indiana has given Phoenix until the end of this week to find the mythical 4 team trade to get Durant, which has not materialized, there are talks from owners right now that Durant has set this precedence that is unacceptable and they are not playing ball to help him go to any preferred destination its gonna have to be an organization that has a good relationship willing to help a superstar get out of playing his 4 year contract. Miami luckily already has their ducks in a row with the final presentation in place. All things look to have Miami as lock to get Durant, without every getting Bam involved which is good news for the fan base.

3. There are 2-3 trades available once the Durant/Mitchell saga passes if Miami is unable to land either. The teams are respectful of Miami's all in approach and are awaiting the negotiations to be finalized to move Duncan, Picks, Yurt to get a starting level PF. There is another high to mid level profile trade available also using Herro with Duncan, Yurt, Picks to receive a multi player assortment to load up our Depth for quality role players if they want to go that route.

4. Bam & Jimmy have been doing a really good job of recruiting both Durant & Donovan this offseason they are in their ear constantly. Miami really appreciates this and knows how important player to player communication can be to offseason success.

As I decide to post London, ICC drops these nuggets. BBWs deliver!!!!


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[Daffy]

If we land KD that means Herro is definitely gone. My question is do we start Dipo of bench him. I'm thinking we keep him in a 6th man role. You guys confident in his offense bouncing back as our true 6th man? How much ppg you think he'd average?

[greg4012]

Darkhorse team to land the snek. Wiseman/Wiggins/Moody/Kuminga plus picks would beat any offers in the league.

Read on Twitter

I buy into the idea that KD's primary motivation in all this is largely to prove to all that he can win a ring without Steph and GS. Things did not end amicably there, if i recall.

[IceColdCubano]

Darkhorse team to land the snek. Wiseman/Wiggins/Moody/Kuminga plus picks would beat any offers in the league.

Read on Twitter

I buy into the idea that KD's primary motivation in all this is largely to prove to all that he can win a ring without Steph and GS. Things did not end amicably there, if i recall.

This is one of those my boy said was BS and Brooklyn leaked this to drive up effort from Phoenix and Miami to up their offer. Durant from everything known around the league is he is worried about his legacy, going back to GSW will surely make him a big ring chaser. Imagine social media on a player going back to the same team consecutively after they win a title or go on a once in a lifetime run.

[HEATVols865]

London Andrews laughs at Tyler Herro naked.


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[HEATVols865]

ICC, is Lowry gone if we get KD?
Did your boy say who are some of the players we’d turn to if the KD deal falls apart?


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[HEATVols865]

IF there’s a way we keep Lowry and he’s in shape AND IF Dipo gets back to his old self, there is no better starting 5 than this:

Lowry
Dipo
Butler
KD
Bam


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[IceColdCubano]

ICC, is Lowry gone if we get KD?
Did your boy say who are some of the players we’d turn to if the KD deal falls apart?


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From the conversations I have had, Lowry would be gone if we trade for Durant or Mitchell, however if not he will be staying and the plan is to use Duncan's salary to go for a PF. Lowry seems to be committed to getting in real Heat shape so I doubt they use him if a big Whale is not caught.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we land KD that means Herro is definitely gone. My question is do we start Dipo of bench him. I'm thinking we keep him in a 6th man role. You guys confident in his offense bouncing back as our true 6th man? How much ppg you think he'd average?

Starting lineup needs a three point shooter at the 2 so Oladipo in a scoring 6th man role off the bench is what’s in order no matter what.

[Umbooki]

If we land KD that means Herro is definitely gone. My question is do we start Dipo of bench him. I'm thinking we keep him in a 6th man role. You guys confident in his offense bouncing back as our true 6th man? How much ppg you think he'd average?

Starting lineup need a three point shooter at the 2 so Oladipo in a scoring 6th man role off the bench is what’s in order no matter what.

Can’t wait for more, “Dipo shouldn’t win 6MOY because he plays 30 minutes!” Talk.

I do not condone such vile inappropriate mention of penis's related discussions amongst a thread that can potentially land KD.

Thanks

What we want: Snek
What we can afford: Millsap
What we deserve: Small pp

[HEATVols865]

ICC, is Lowry gone if we get KD?
Did your boy say who are some of the players we’d turn to if the KD deal falls apart?


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From the conversations I have had, Lowry would be gone if we trade for Durant or Mitchell, however if not he will be staying and the plan is to use Duncan's salary to go for a PF. Lowry seems to be committed to getting in real Heat shape so I doubt they use him if a big Whale is not caught.

I really wonder who are our secondary targets.


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[MettaWorldPanda]

ICC, is Lowry gone if we get KD?
Did your boy say who are some of the players we’d turn to if the KD deal falls apart?


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From the conversations I have had, Lowry would be gone if we trade for Durant or Mitchell, however if not he will be staying and the plan is to use Duncan's salary to go for a PF. Lowry seems to be committed to getting in real Heat shape so I doubt they use him if a big Whale is not caught.

Hopefully we get some closure by the end of this week. Ayton is not going to wait forever.