R3G3: Celtics @ Heat, 5/21/23 8:30pm

[Daffy]

At this point if Herro comes back you don’t even bring him off the bench until you need a spark because Duncan or Strus are struggling pretty bad and it’s hurting the team.

The ball is moving way too well and offense and defense is too in sync to break it up. Duncan is shooting 45% from 3 in these playoffs on nearly 6 attempts a night.

This is not a knock on Herro by the way, if it ain’t broke……

Don't worry, more people are coming around about this. The Hoop Collective mentioned today Miami becoming better with Herro out, better defense and better ball movement. Anything is Podable which is a Celtics podcast were wanting Herro back to be able to have more people to target. All this team needed was 2-way players around Butler and Bam, you can sprinkle in specialized 3pt shooter in here and there like Herro or Robinson, but you shouldn't have one of them as a main player because they can hurt your defense greatly the deeper you go into the playoffs.

https://www.stitcher.com/show/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/episode/celtics-collapse-heat-reign-denver-statement-303544225

It's about not having holes in your defense; Phoenix had 2 great offensive players with Booker and KD and didn't get out of the 2nd round. Just keep going with the toughness and 2-way players, not just this year but basically every year. In a few years, Miami is going to need to find the next tough player, sadly New York got one of the few of them in Brunson.

I disagree with this. Herro provides another threat and ball handler/shot creator out there. Makes it harder to send doubles and he's another guy they have to keep a defender on.

[AirP.]

At this point if Herro comes back you don’t even bring him off the bench until you need a spark because Duncan or Strus are struggling pretty bad and it’s hurting the team.

The ball is moving way too well and offense and defense is too in sync to break it up. Duncan is shooting 45% from 3 in these playoffs on nearly 6 attempts a night.

This is not a knock on Herro by the way, if it ain’t broke……

Don't worry, more people are coming around about this. The Hoop Collective mentioned today Miami becoming better with Herro out, better defense and better ball movement. Anything is Podable which is a Celtics podcast were wanting Herro back to be able to have more people to target. All this team needed was 2-way players around Butler and Bam, you can sprinkle in specialized 3pt shooter in here and there like Herro or Robinson, but you shouldn't have one of them as a main player because they can hurt your defense greatly the deeper you go into the playoffs.

https://www.stitcher.com/show/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/episode/celtics-collapse-heat-reign-denver-statement-303544225

It's about not having holes in your defense; Phoenix had 2 great offensive players with Booker and KD and didn't get out of the 2nd round. Just keep going with the toughness and 2-way players, not just this year but basically every year. In a few years, Miami is going to need to find the next tough player, sadly New York got one of the few of them in Brunson.

I disagree with this. Herro provides another threat and ball handler/shot creator out there. Makes it harder to send doubles and he's another guy they have to keep a defender on.

You're bringing up exactly what I brought up in my post in the season thread, people look at PPG/scoring way too much. His NetRating was -6 this year, last year he had his career high of only -4 on a team that's been over .500 his whole time in the NBA. Herro has had 6 20+ point games in the playoffs in 41 games. Gabe has had 4 in 36 playoff games, Strus 2 in 34 games, then you toss in their defense being much better than Herro's although not great defense and I'd rather have either of them on the court with Butler or Bam than Herro. Herro and Robinson are big targets out there, luckily Miami is just using Robinson here and there as a 3pt shooter and can pull him if he's targeted, you can't really do that when you hand a player 30 million, I don't think Miami makes it this far with Herro on the court the whole time with his defense. I really wanted to see if Herro could show more effort this season on the defensive end, but we didn't get to see that and with that Miami has had success this year and last year without him. Is it weird Miami underperformed in the regular season with Herro as a starter, it wasn't for me.

With all that said, I wouldn't mind seeing Herro replace Robinson in the rotation when he's healthy.

[HeatFanDan]

Almost everyone is playing at an insane level obviously but I gotta shout Bam for his improved screening. He’s “holding” a little longer, setting solid, not afraid to commit a foul or two in order to establish his physicality. Not to mention rolling hard af.

He realized he has to provide some of what PJ did during the last run. Pushing the line of illegality and decency lol, making the Celtics cry to the refs, contributing to making them fold. Despite the drubbing I appreciate him and Zells stepping up after Kevin left early. Rob Will is a two-way efficiency king all he does is put the ball though the rim and prevent people from shooting.

1. Bam has been that dude on screens. Literally elite in that regard.

2. Rob Will is literally a weak point as he can’t play in space. When he’s forced into action on defense he’s a kangaroo on skates. He’s a big boost when everyone else he’s on the court with are playing well to keep him hidden in his off ball help defense and finishing role. Once he gets forced into more action than that he becomes a playoff liability

No, Robert Williams is the Celtics' savior. Only reason we won last night was because Mazzula started big head Derrick White instead of him. This according to the media.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

At this point if Herro comes back you don’t even bring him off the bench until you need a spark because Duncan or Strus are struggling pretty bad and it’s hurting the team.

The ball is moving way too well and offense and defense is too in sync to break it up. Duncan is shooting 45% from 3 in these playoffs on nearly 6 attempts a night.

This is not a knock on Herro by the way, if it ain’t broke……

Don't worry, more people are coming around about this. The Hoop Collective mentioned today Miami becoming better with Herro out, better defense and better ball movement. Anything is Podable which is a Celtics podcast were wanting Herro back to be able to have more people to target. All this team needed was 2-way players around Butler and Bam, you can sprinkle in specialized 3pt shooter in here and there like Herro or Robinson, but you shouldn't have one of them as a main player because they can hurt your defense greatly the deeper you go into the playoffs.

https://www.stitcher.com/show/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/episode/celtics-collapse-heat-reign-denver-statement-303544225

It's about not having holes in your defense; Phoenix had 2 great offensive players with Booker and KD and didn't get out of the 2nd round. Just keep going with the toughness and 2-way players, not just this year but basically every year. In a few years, Miami is going to need to find the next tough player, sadly New York got one of the few of them in Brunson.

I disagree with this. Herro provides another threat and ball handler/shot creator out there. Makes it harder to send doubles and he's another guy they have to keep a defender on.

We need to keep Herro out indefinitely this season.

His defense SUCKS. Anyone who says "but he provides more scoring" bruh.. you watching the games? We good. Vincent, Martin, Strus, etc.. we got it working like an oiled machine. They are playing well, ball handling just fine... scoring well.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY< our defense is much better with Herro not in the lineup to get hunted.

[heatlejuice]

Don't worry, more people are coming around about this. The Hoop Collective mentioned today Miami becoming better with Herro out, better defense and better ball movement. Anything is Podable which is a Celtics podcast were wanting Herro back to be able to have more people to target. All this team needed was 2-way players around Butler and Bam, you can sprinkle in specialized 3pt shooter in here and there like Herro or Robinson, but you shouldn't have one of them as a main player because they can hurt your defense greatly the deeper you go into the playoffs.

https://www.stitcher.com/show/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/episode/celtics-collapse-heat-reign-denver-statement-303544225

It's about not having holes in your defense; Phoenix had 2 great offensive players with Booker and KD and didn't get out of the 2nd round. Just keep going with the toughness and 2-way players, not just this year but basically every year. In a few years, Miami is going to need to find the next tough player, sadly New York got one of the few of them in Brunson.

I disagree with this. Herro provides another threat and ball handler/shot creator out there. Makes it harder to send doubles and he's another guy they have to keep a defender on.

We need to keep Herro out indefinitely this season.

His defense SUCKS. Anyone who says "but he provides more scoring" bruh.. you watching the games? We good. Vincent, Martin, Strus, etc.. we got it working like an oiled machine. They are playing well, ball handling just fine... scoring well.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY< our defense is much better with Herro not in the lineup to get hunted.

Spo is 100% not gonna mess with the chemistry of this team. He's known for being stubborn about that. So I don't expect Herro starting and I don't expect him getting significant minutes the first game in Denver. I do believe that depending on matchups, and how the first game goes, they'll make decisions on Herro

[Vertical Limit]

Don't worry, more people are coming around about this. The Hoop Collective mentioned today Miami becoming better with Herro out, better defense and better ball movement. Anything is Podable which is a Celtics podcast were wanting Herro back to be able to have more people to target. All this team needed was 2-way players around Butler and Bam, you can sprinkle in specialized 3pt shooter in here and there like Herro or Robinson, but you shouldn't have one of them as a main player because they can hurt your defense greatly the deeper you go into the playoffs.

https://www.stitcher.com/show/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/episode/celtics-collapse-heat-reign-denver-statement-303544225

It's about not having holes in your defense; Phoenix had 2 great offensive players with Booker and KD and didn't get out of the 2nd round. Just keep going with the toughness and 2-way players, not just this year but basically every year. In a few years, Miami is going to need to find the next tough player, sadly New York got one of the few of them in Brunson.

I disagree with this. Herro provides another threat and ball handler/shot creator out there. Makes it harder to send doubles and he's another guy they have to keep a defender on.

We need to keep Herro out indefinitely this season.

His defense SUCKS. Anyone who says "but he provides more scoring" bruh.. you watching the games? We good. Vincent, Martin, Strus, etc.. we got it working like an oiled machine. They are playing well, ball handling just fine... scoring well.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY< our defense is much better with Herro not in the lineup to get hunted.

His scoring of 41% fg on 31% 3 point shooting in the postseason does not help us. It hurts us.

[insfo]

Was at the game. We can never question La Spoelstra Nostra ever again.

Need that on a shirt

Underdog, get on it!

[Wiltside]

I think it’s too simplistic to say “we’re playing better because Tyler is out”. He was playing well in that MIL game before diving on a loose ball and breaking his hand. It’s clear that the remaining guys (Strus, Caleb, Gabe, Kyle, Duncan) have all had their moments though, which you’d say would not have happened to the same extent if Herro was playing. But Herro could just as easily supplanted their production at any rate.

We’re playing well because we’re 15 guys playing with extreme confidence, belief and togetherness. We’re on a string out there.

I agree that I wouldn’t mess up a good thing right now, and I’d keep Tyler on the outer at present purely because playoff basketball is a very tough thing to come back to after 5-6 weeks away. The team is playing at such a high level, we don’t want to mess with it right now.

If he can get healthy, he could still have a moment for us this postseason.

[Tony15]

We're different without Tyler....not better. Having a 20ppg scorer off the bench w/ Lowry can only elevate the team....not hurt it. Anyway.....task at hand brehs.

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[powerball1373]

Marcus Dumb gonna Marcus Dumb

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[HeatFan_NC]

We're different without Tyler....not better. Having a 20ppg scorer off the bench w/ Lowry can only elevate the team....not hurt it. Anyway.....task at hand brehs.

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Right on. I think he's better coming off the bench anyway. We are a better team when Herro comes off the bench and plays against the opponents' second string team

[Jaqua92]

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Watching Mozzarella's post gm interview was brutal, yet again. Every question was criticism & media treating him like a special needs person. He continues to justify their mistakes. There's no wisdom there, it's mostly arrogance.

Somebody asked defensively what did Miami do, in the last 6mins, to make it hard for Boston to score. Parmesan replied w/ "They played zone but i thought we played better plays. Jayson made the right play & when we didn't turn it over i thought we got good looks'. Again all arrogance, no wisdom.

Camembert is clueless he's getting out coached. The snake rots from the head down, if your leader is clueless, blind & arrogant the ship will sink when the pressure rises & that's what we're currently seeing. He's exposed. Ricotta is melting & he's taking his players down w/ him.


Below is Tatum defending his clueless coach. Both going down this sinking ship lead by Feta.

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Contrast to Brown's statement saying they didn't make plays down the stretch. He states after asked about Heat's zone "We haven't figured it out how to exploit it. Every single time down the floor we gotta recognize certain situations". Very different to Cheeseman's justification. This is a coaching issue & it seems Brown may have inadvertently pointed the finger at Mozzarella.

It was strange watching Tatum's post game. He's aloof & acts as if this is regular season & not the ECF & they're about to lose their opportunity at going to the finals & winning an NBA Championship. He's not angry, doesn't look frustrated or has any resentments. This is also the same guy who's got ZERO field goals in the 4Q this series acting like everything is ok.

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There's no real leadership in this team. Steven Adams & Udoka were good leaders capable of guiding Celtics but Gorgonzola ain't it. If you're best player acts like this after losing 2 at home & he ain't it either. This is why they'll not only lose gm3 but will be swept in gm4. What possible game plan does Brie have that Spo won't already have several counter punches for.

Jimmy & his dogs are ready for the kill shot. This series was over before it began.
Let's go for their throats here, then their hearts on Tues.

I put money on Miami prior to gm3. After watching Mozzarella's & Tatum's interview added to the contrasting Brown interview i knew right there these cats were not going to bounce back & it showed the way they quit & Mozzarella threw in the towel to start the 4th that had even the commentators heavily criticizing them.

It was a very poor showing that we're not used w/ Boston team s who are usually tough/gritty. We've gone to war w/ this same unit & it's just not the same Stevens & Udoka lead team.

Game4 is going to be brutal for them. I can see Foster being sent in as a decoy but don't stress If they showed no heart & fight in gm3, w/ their backs truly against the wall, what makes you think think they will for gm4 after we took what ever's left of their spirits. And we'r'e not going to do them any favors either - we're going for their hearts.

It's a wrap baby. We going to the NBA Finals.

Lol

[Jaqua92]

These mfers in the media

They’ve sat here and watched every minute of these 3 games and legit think they can come back from being down 0-3 when Mazzula isnt **** compared to Spo, Tatum and Brown clearly aren’t **** compared to Jimmy and Bam, and their role players are getting cooked by ours.

This ain’t the regular season.

[Wiltside]

These mfers in the media

They’ve sat here and watched every minute of these 3 games and legit think they can come back from being down 0-3 when Mazzula isnt **** compared to Spo, Tatum and Brown clearly aren’t **** compared to Jimmy and Bam, and their role players are getting cooked by ours.

This ain’t the regular season.

Enjoy your 12 hour holiday from the board. Next time, it’ll be a longer suspension.

[contract]

For what? He literally only said "lol", and frankly every fan of every team should be on here loling at us.