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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#801 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:56 pm

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3ballbomber wrote:Some here completely undervaluing Herro & extremely underselling him like there wld be vry minimal interest or vry low return for a consistently improving young all-star, who just averaged 23.9 points, 5.5 assists and 5.2 rebounds & has already won Sixth Man of the Year award & 3pt comp.

Some who under value Tyler are our vry own admins/mods. This is the issue w/ this forum & fan base. Only we sh*t on our own. Inviting other twits to offer their 2cents.

There have been worse players other teams have overpaid for. Tyler will be just fine in the open market even w/ our very own fans questioning his stock & brand.


Some of the criticism is fair, those last two games against the Cavs were definitely rough. But when I look at Tyler’s full season, he was by far our best player overall, imo. The first three months, with a TS% over 60, were undeniably impressive. Opposing coaches clearly built their game plans around Herro. He doesn’t get enough credit, but I get it the playoffs left a sour taste, and that’s understandable.


Take too much out of PO performance. Put any other player of Herro’s calibre in his place, surrounded by the same inept offensive players. Wld they be much better being the main target for opposing defences, especially of Cavs defensive caliber. Tough spot for anybody to carry an offensive load in a mediocre play-in team. Replace Herro w/ Garland in that series - wld his PO performance be the same? Judge Herro when he’s surrounded w/ proper talent who is as much a threat as him & let’s see if he’s PO outing maintains.


Sample size spans over multiple playoffs. Playoffs are when the game shifts (only moreso in advanced rounds). Playoffs should weigh more than reg season games in evaluating players.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#802 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:00 pm

We need to clear roster spots to make room for Dru Smith
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Post#803 » by SA37 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:13 pm

Windhorst said the Celtics were "listening" to offers on Brown and White and insinuated it might be to get into the top-10. Can't rule out the Mavs making a stupid trade with #1, but let's suppose they're happy taking Flagg :lol:

The only other teams that make sense here are San Antonio and Philadelphia, but do either of these teams want Brown at $57M/season? Aside from the difficulty of making salaries match, it is hard to see how anyone could value Brown/White as worth #2 or #3.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#804 » by Lennyzinho » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:18 pm

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Some of the criticism is fair, those last two games against the Cavs were definitely rough. But when I look at Tyler’s full season, he was by far our best player overall, imo. The first three months, with a TS% over 60, were undeniably impressive. Opposing coaches clearly built their game plans around Herro. He doesn’t get enough credit, but I get it the playoffs left a sour taste, and that’s understandable.


Take too much out of PO performance. Put any other player of Herro’s calibre in his place, surrounded by the same inept offensive players. Wld they be much better being the main target for opposing defences, especially of Cavs defensive caliber. Tough spot for anybody to carry an offensive load in a mediocre play-in team. Replace Herro w/ Garland in that series - wld his PO performance be the same? Judge Herro when he’s surrounded w/ proper talent who is as much a threat as him & let’s see if he’s PO outing maintains.


Sample size spans over multiple playoffs. Playoffs are when the game shifts (only moreso in advanced rounds). Playoffs should weigh more than reg season games in evaluating players.


I agree. Playoffs the games go up a notch and thats what matters. Also eliminates stat padding vs bad teams.

BUT

We can all agree herro has continuously improved. His last year was his best yet. In 2023 when we made that amazing run, he was out with a broken hand. In 2024 we got rocked by the Celtics, Jimmy didnt play at all with an mcl sprain. 2025 we got rocked by cavs, once again no Jimmy cuz he was in Cali. Both times herro was up against the 1 seed. Both times he was the focus of the defense. And we all know he is not a supremely athletic dude. And he had minimal help on the offensive end.

Breaking news herro isn't brunson or donovan mitchell. Doesn't mean hes a 20M dude and career 6th man. The takes are so extreme. Hes a really good player. Deserves to be making 30-40M with cap going up. He can be a part of a winning team. He shouldn't be making the max. If giannis becomes available, herro should be sent All of that can be true.
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Post#805 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:24 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:We need to clear roster spots to make room for Dru Smith


Exactly we already lost Isaiah Stevens it seems we simply CAN NOT afford to lose Dru Smith coming off a torn Achilles
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Post#806 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:30 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#808 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:32 pm

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Take too much out of PO performance. Put any other player of Herro’s calibre in his place, surrounded by the same inept offensive players. Wld they be much better being the main target for opposing defences, especially of Cavs defensive caliber. Tough spot for anybody to carry an offensive load in a mediocre play-in team. Replace Herro w/ Garland in that series - wld his PO performance be the same? Judge Herro when he’s surrounded w/ proper talent who is as much a threat as him & let’s see if he’s PO outing maintains.


Sample size spans over multiple playoffs. Playoffs are when the game shifts (only moreso in advanced rounds). Playoffs should weigh more than reg season games in evaluating players.


I agree. Playoffs the games go up a notch and thats what matters. Also eliminates stat padding vs bad teams.

BUT

We can all agree herro has continuously improved. His last year was his best yet. In 2023 when we made that amazing run, he was out with a broken hand. In 2024 we got rocked by the Celtics, Jimmy didnt play at all with an mcl sprain. 2025 we got rocked by cavs, once again no Jimmy cuz he was in Cali. Both times herro was up against the 1 seed. Both times he was the focus of the defense. And we all know he is not a supremely athletic dude. And he had minimal help on the offensive end.

Breaking news herro isn't brunson or donovan mitchell. Doesn't mean hes a 20M dude and career 6th man. The takes are so extreme. Hes a really good player. Deserves to be making 30-40M with cap going up. He can be a part of a winning team. He shouldn't be making the max. If giannis becomes available, herro should be sent All of that can be true.


And if someone in this exchange had made such extreme takes, I'd be with you on that. Most of your rhetoric should be directed elsewhere.

What a coincidence that Miami went on an "amazing run" in the 2023 playoffs with Herro out. Herro has also been with Miami since 2019 (more track record to assess).

If you're not providing value on defense in the playoffs, there is reason for advanced scrutiny. If, to the contrary, you're the point of weakness on defense in the playoffs, then even more scrutiny of offensive impact and more expectation is warranted on that end.

Herro is playing guard. Guards are perimeter players that typically handle the ball and create looks for self and others from the perimeter. That's the baseline expectation for the position.

Everyone on the board agrees that Herro needs to not be the primary offensive option and should be best served as more of an off-ball guard. That is part of the value calculus, as well.
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Post#809 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:35 pm

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For Jaylen Brown

almost punched my screen :nonono:

Which untouchable do you not want to trade for an all nba player and finals mvp entering his prime, who has been stuck behind Tatum?

Yall said i was crazy for herro #20 and robinson for durant. That was an overpay right? Yea then Houston eclipsed me times a million.

Now my new offer is an overpay too. Okay, wait and see what the next star gets traded for :lol:

What did lesser player Desmond Bane get traded for again? KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 unprotected firsts and a swap?


Hmm okay. :lol: lets just lowball everybody. That has worked great for us. It has netted us only one deal in 4 years, Kyle Lowry who Toronto did not want anymore anyways. Wheres our next kyle lowry.. maybe we can trade kyle andersen and kevin love for a point guard :lol: :banghead:


I don't know what to tell you - Personally I dislike Brown both as a person and his game as well. He's way overrated in my book. He benefited from playing on stacked team, but his BB IQ is questionable and He's going to be mad overpaid. Honestly on is current huge contract and after the injury he's barley a positive asset IMO.

Regardless - i think EVERY objective fan would agree your offered package for him is a huge overpay. You're treating him like he's Giannis - and he's far from that level.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#810 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:37 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:We need to clear roster spots to make room for Dru Smith


Exactly we already lost Isaiah Stevens it seems we simply CAN NOT afford to lose Dru Smith coming off a torn Achilles


this made me chuckle for some reason.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#811 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:38 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:We need to clear roster spots to make room for Dru Smith


Exactly we already lost Isaiah Stevens it seems we simply CAN NOT afford to lose Dru Smith coming off a torn Achilles

The 2 way QO is a guaranteed roster spot. It’s a dirt cheap contract with only like 90k guaranteed but he’s going to be given a roster spot. I don’t mind him as an end of the bench roster spot 14/15 guy but then you got Kevin Love barely playable clogging a roster spot as well. After the draft we have a full roster. Duncan will open up a spot if let go
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Post#812 » by Vertical Limit » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:40 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
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RexBoyWonder wrote:almost punched my screen :nonono:

Which untouchable do you not want to trade for an all nba player and finals mvp entering his prime, who has been stuck behind Tatum?

Yall said i was crazy for herro #20 and robinson for durant. That was an overpay right? Yea then Houston eclipsed me times a million.

Now my new offer is an overpay too. Okay, wait and see what the next star gets traded for :lol:

What did lesser player Desmond Bane get traded for again? KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 unprotected firsts and a swap?


Hmm okay. :lol: lets just lowball everybody. That has worked great for us. It has netted us only one deal in 4 years, Kyle Lowry who Toronto did not want anymore anyways. Wheres our next kyle lowry.. maybe we can trade kyle andersen and kevin love for a point guard :lol: :banghead:


I don't know what to tell you - Personally I dislike Brown both as a person and his game as well. He's way overrated in my book. He benefited from playing on stacked team, but his BB IQ is questionable and He's going to be mad overpaid. Honestly on is current huge contract and after the injury he's barley a positive asset IMO.

Regardless - i think EVERY objective fan would agree your offered package for him is a huge overpay. You're treating him like he's Giannis - and he's far from that level.

Giannis is not going to be had for my proposed package. We dont have nowhere close to the assets for Giannis without including Bam.

Giannis goes for 6 unprotected firsts at minimum and a star player plus matching contracts
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Post#814 » by Lennyzinho » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:54 pm

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Exactly why I refuse to get excited about any rookie from this draft class :lol:

Im perfectly fine trading #20 and rozier if its for derozan or monk AND a future kings pick in 2027 whatever, even if its top 10 protected for a year or something. Sending our pick and rozier for derozan :crazy:
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Post#815 » by SoFlaKingReal » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:55 pm

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Post#816 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:02 pm

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Post#818 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:09 pm

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Post#819 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:10 pm

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Ive already traded Bam and Herro to SAS for Harper, Castle plus.
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Post#820 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:12 pm

We could really use a veteran 2 guard scorer behind Herro. I’m not talking about Alec Burks either. Pelle Larrson is a nice player but that’s not his game either. Need another ignitable two guard behind Herro.

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