The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[heat4life]

^^^
That would be an awesome deal. It would be more like Brand, Maggette and Clippers lottery pick for Marion, Blount or S&T Ricky Davis and #1 (or Beasley who would be the motivation to make such a move).

[miamiballer]

just a thought...does anyone think haslem could play center for us if we draft beasley

we can then sign a pg like navarro for the mle

Haslem/Blount/Anthony
Beasley/Lasme
Marion/Wright/2nd rd pick
Wade/cook
Navarro/banks/quinn

our rebounding would be insane

[Vertical Limit]

just a thought...does anyone think haslem could play center for us if we draft beasley

we can then sign a pg like navarro for the mle

Haslem/Blount/Anthony
Beasley/Lasme
Marion/Wright/2nd rd pick
Wade/cook
Navarro/banks/quinn

our rebounding would be insane

I think Zo will be back. Not sure about Haslem at the 5, but he has done it before.

[FlaStGrad]

Haslem at Center? We might as well bring back Rony Seikaly or Brian Grant. What is Alan Ogg doing these days.

No way I want Haslem being outsized every game. I would rather trade him and try to get a legit Center.

[Iputsomepantson]

some interesting stuff from Ira
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_ba ... ter-p.html

It wasn't exactly clean-out-your-locker day. Fact is, a few have been cleaned out for weeks, but several Heat players stopped by to offer closing comments Thursday.

Among them:

Shawn Marion said Pat Riley has offered no clue about his coaching future, "He didn't say anything about that."

Marion also said Riley's decision would not impact his long-term future with the team, especially with Riley to remain as team president. "No, not necessarily. Not at all. Regardless of if Pat's coaching, he'll have a say-so."

Marion again declined to discuss his opt-out clause, other than to offer a gratuitous, "I like being a Heat player and hopefully I can finish my career here."
Of his thoughts on the Suns in the playoffs, "I wish them luck."

Next up was Udonis Haslem, who said at his exit interview with Riley, "I asked him whether he was coming back."

He paused, smiled, and added, "Nah, he didn't answer me either."

Asked which way he thought Riley was leaning, Haslem said, "I know him being a great competitor. With the season we had, he probably wouldn

[Iputsomepantson]

If Dallas gets ousted again in the first round, I think there are going to be some big time changes happening in the Mavericks organization.

Josh Howard could become available for Marion.

His contract is worth a whole lot less than Marion's.

Some may say that Dallas would never do that, but if they lose AGAIN in the first round, they will be desperate and Pat Riley knows how to take advantage of desperate teams.

[vincecarter4pres]

If Dallas gets ousted again in the first round, I think there are going to be some big time changes happening in the Mavericks organization.

Josh Howard could become available for Marion.

His contract is worth a whole lot less than Marion's.

Some may say that Dallas would never do that, but if they lose AGAIN in the first round, they will be desperate and Pat Riley knows how to take advantage of desperate teams.

Who would be taking advantage?
I like Marion better personally, but they both excel in different areas of the game while at the same time having a somewhat similar skill set.
Marion=better defender
Marion=better rebounder
Marion=better finisher
Marion=better passer
Howard=better at creating his own shot
Howard=slightly younger
Howard=much cheaper
Both=pretty damn good in the playoffs by the #'s

[DayofMourning]

I don't think you give up Marion for Josh Howard. Howard is a good player, but Marion's skill set is worth a little more. He affects the game in more areas than Howard.

I still think it would best benefit this team to try to acquire more young players who in a few years could truly contribute, because in a few years Marion won't be worth what he is now and he won't be as productive either, while youth would be ready to contribute.

[BFRESH44]

Trix is going to give you 16-17 a game without a single play called for him.

You can't say the same for Josh Howard.

Marion all day.

[Lane1974]

Howard cancels out Wade

[DayofMourning]

Yep, if you're going to add players, then make sure they compliment Wade. Marion does that fairly well right now.

[BFRESH44]

They isn't a player in the world that Marion doesn't fit next too.

There's not a player in the league right now, who moves as well without the ball than Marion.

If we get Beasley, I'd scrap the 09 plan and I'm signing Marion to a sizeable 4 year deal, no problem.

With Rose(or Bayless or Mayo), not so much. Because we'd have imbalance within the roster. No offensive post-presence. And I'd be more inclined to push hard for Brand or Boozer in the summer of 09, than retaining Marion in that situation.

So say we did end up with Beasley. You could Sign Marion to a proper extension. Extend an MLE offer to Beno Udrih, or sign Chris Duhon to a portion of the MLE...Hope Zo comes back(looking more and more likey). Extend qualfying offers to both Wright and Quinn...Re-sign Ricky with the early bird rights (I'd like to have someone like James Jones instead, but depth at point would be a higher priority, and JJ is looking for a salary that starts at atleat 4 million per ala Kapono)

Duhon/Banks/Quinn
Wade/Davis/Cook
Marion/Wright
Beasley/Haslem/Lasme
Mourning/Blount/Anthony

Not bad, folks. Point guard depth is eh, but I've seen worse than a Duhon/Banks platoon. And those are both pretty good defenders...

[DayofMourning]

The only questions I have is how championship worthy is that roster? What is their window of opportunity? I want to win now and that isn't a bad lineup, but could it win a championship? I'm not so sure. I like Marion a lot as a piece to the puzzle, but he is 30 and if you choose to build a team centering on a 19 year old, a 26 year old, and a 30 year old then it might not gel quick enough to be successful. And if that were true then you'd miss a great opportunity to use cap space to sign someone younger for the future.

[SmushedPennies]

No, no. Howard cancels out Wade when they're playing on opposite teams, according to Howard. Howard's game is apparently identical to Dwyane's.

[HeatSince88]

Howard is the same age as Wade and Haslem (26-27), whereas Marion is about to turn 30 next month.

I see Howard as someone who is ...

- more consistent from the perimeter (a must playing next to Wade)
- more proven as a SF in a structured offense (Marion's at his best at PF in an unstructured offense)
- more likely to be able to defend the toughest perimeter assigment for the next 5 years (something I question whether Marion as he climbs into his 30s and invariably slows down)

That being said, my hope if we deal Marion is that it's in a deal for a much-needed post presence.

[DayofMourning]

What post presence would you prefer or would you think would be available?

[vincent]

Howard is the same age as Wade and Haslem (26-27), whereas Marion is about to turn 30 next month.

I see Howard as someone who is ...

- more consistent from the perimeter (a must playing next to Wade)
- more proven as a SF in a structured offense (Marion's at his best at PF in an unstructured offense)
- more likely to be able to defend the toughest perimeter assigment for the next 5 years (something I question whether Marion as he climbs into his 30s and invariably slows down)

That being said, my hope if we deal Marion is that it's in a deal for a much-needed post presence.

J.Howard also said he like the sticky- icky during the off-season

[HeatSince88]

What post presence would you prefer or would you think would be available?

I think Riley's gonna try something with the pick, like Marion + #1 for Brand and Maggette.

I base that on Riley wondering aloud a few days ago about what the #1 pick can be leveraged into rather than what player can be drafted with it ... his history of big moves to get veteran post guys (Mourning in the 90s, Shaq in the 00s) ... his general preference for veterans and not 19-year-old rookies ... his history with Brand and his reported pursuit of Maggette in recent years ... and his need for a post presence and veteran players to play his style of basketball succesfully.

As for the Clips in that scenario, Brand will be commanding a new $90 million deal in the next 14 months, and Maggette will be commanding $60 million. That's $150 million Donald Cheapskate Sterling is staring in the face, for a team that may not make the playoffs in the West even when healthy. So he takes an all-star expiring contract (Marion) and a franchise centerpiece rookie (cheap!) and saves $120 million over the next 5 years. They come out of it with a promising, exciting, and cheap lineup like ...

PG - D Rose (from Miami)
SG - OJ Mayo (their pick)
SF - Al Thornton
PF - S Marion
C - C Kaman

or

PG - OJ Mayo (their pick)
SG - Al Thornton
SF - S Marion
PF - M Beasley (from Miami)
C - C Kaman

[FlaStGrad]

And how are we going to afford that $150 million with Wade?

[Hoops23]

Howard is the same age as Wade and Haslem (26-27), whereas Marion is about to turn 30 next month.

I see Howard as someone who is ...

- more consistent from the perimeter (a must playing next to Wade)
- more proven as a SF in a structured offense (Marion's at his best at PF in an unstructured offense)
- more likely to be able to defend the toughest perimeter assigment for the next 5 years (something I question whether Marion as he climbs into his 30s and invariably slows down)

That being said, my hope if we deal Marion is that it's in a deal for a much-needed post presence.

Marion is a better player than Howard. I prefer to have Marion with the Heat but if he ask for a unreasonable contract, I'd prefer to have someone like Howard.