Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Vernon Carey Jr. available for the Heat to pick at 23, do you draft him? You're basically drafting Jahlil Okafor 2.0.

[J-House]

That Kelan Martin guy is an interesting player on Minny. I like him.

[AirP.]

I think cp3 will be a very bad defender and/or injury prone come 2021-2022.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think having cp3 and Butler right now would get us ahead of Toronto, Boston, Milwaukee, La, and La. What were OKC asking of us last summer for cp3? I'm pretty sure Herro was on that list.

I'm sure Herro was asked for early on and probably denied. The sticking point I kept hearing was that Miami wanted multiple draft picks(basically what OKC got from Houston) and I believe Winslow was in the trade also.

I think CP3, Butler, and Bam would have Miami in 2nd place right now because Butler and CP3 know how to make plays when a team is in a stretch, the bigger issue is the amount of young players Miami is dependant on, just adding another great vet like CP3 and having to depend on less inexperienced talent would go a long ways, especially on the road.

Love to look at the ORTG - DRTGs
Butler +15
Bam +13
CP3 +13

CP3 would be replacing Nunn in the starting lineup and how big of a difference well...
Nunn -7 (CP3 is +20 better than Nunn, that is HUGE, +20 is one of the best in the league huge)

Had CP3 been on the team I would also guess that Riley would have made another somewhat big trade to really give this team a chance to come out of the East this year and the near future.

I'm happy that Crowder was brought in, I think the extra motivation he'll have being on Butler's team will have a positive effect on him and maybe even Butler.

[gom]

AirP. sounds like you're going all in with a full house. Sometimes, yes, you can win. If you have a ton of chips, you can bet whatever you like. Teams in the NBA, though, have the same pile (more or less) in front of them when they start. The Heat will have a chance to compete, but unless our young ones show a lot more, this is not the time, Chris Paul or not. Certainly adding CP3 to the team now will give us the burden of dumping him later too. Respectfully, I'm going to trust Pat Riley on this one (which is what I indicated at first.) He is looking after the team resources responsibly. From here on out, I will continue to hope we get to the second round and have a good showing. If we make the finals, and I'm wrong, oh well.

[J-House]

Tbh I would put Herro in a trade package for Beal. I don’t mind messing up the 2021 plan for him because a core of Jimmy/Beal/Bam would be sick.

[puppa bear]

Tbh I would put Herro in a trade package for Beal. I don’t mind messing up the 2021 plan for him because a core of Jimmy/Beal/Bam would be sick.

True, and we can still either retain all the players we don’t trade.

[DayofMourning]

CP3 would definitely have this team winning more games. I was a big proponent of getting him prior to the season, for many of the same reasons AirP has voiced. He's an all time great winner.

Long and short of it is, we've got a chance now to add a primetime player this offseason, and we've got young guys who can get better. Riley's banking on our kids getting better and a big fish who's not 35 coming to contribute. It's a gamble. Going to need some luck.

[AirP.]

AirP. sounds like you're going all in with a full house. Sometimes, yes, you can win. If you have a ton of chips, you can bet whatever you like. Teams in the NBA, though, have the same pile (more or less) in front of them when they start. The Heat will have a chance to compete, but unless our young ones show a lot more, this is not the time, Chris Paul or not. Certainly adding CP3 to the team now will give us the burden of dumping him later too. Respectfully, I'm going to trust Pat Riley on this one (which is what I indicated at first.) He is looking after the team resources responsibly. From here on out, I will continue to hope we get to the second round and have a good showing. If we make the finals, and I'm wrong, oh well.

You can always dump contracts, my god Miami just dumped Waiters and JJ with 1 more year on their contracts and all you gave up with an often injured young defensive player.

I believe it's hard to get to the finals and when there's a legit chance to get there I think teams should do what it takes to give them a decent shot. Creating cap space for the future would never stop me from strengthening a team with a chance to compete for the title, as long as I believe there was a legit chance to do that.

[twix2500]

Agreed. The point of the trade was to free the Heat from JJ, Waiters, and Winslow's contract obligations.

Also, passing on Chris Paul was never about his performance this season. It's about two seasons down the line when you're paying $43m for a player who likely won't deserve a max deal. I'm actually impressed and support the FO's restraint. They had the good sense to see the true colors of the team (not a finals team) and NOT pull the trigger.

As for the comments about Nunn, Herro, Robinson, and the others... well, yes, the fans didn't know, but without being tested in actual games, in clutch moments (like how we didn't perform yesterday), the players never get an opportunity to show who they are either. I'm happy with the trajectory. It gives us options we did not have.

I think there's a better chance that CP3 at 43 million in 2021-2022 will be better than any player Miami will actually sign with their cap space. I'm not talking about trading into their cap space because quite honestly, even without cap space there will be enough teams with space you'll be able to move some salary out by attaching assets to create the needed space.

Also on adding another "star" Miami will have to battle at least OKC who is positioned asset wise to reasonably overbid basically anyone. Maybe adding Beal while taking Wall could be in Miami's future, not sure OKC would do that.

I think cp3 will be a very bad defender and/or injury prone come 2021-2022.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think having cp3 and Butler right now would get us ahead of Toronto, Boston, Milwaukee, La, and La. What were OKC asking of us last summer for cp3? I'm pretty sure Herro was on that list.

From my understanding, the Thunder wanted Winslow another young player, unprotect the pick and fillers for Paul and Heat were offering Winslow fillers for Paul and given back their protected 1st round pick. Not sure where in the middle they were willing to fall. But that was my impression. I do not think they were close. If the Heat got their way, they would be better than Boston and Raptor and give Bucks a good series.

PG: Paul - Nunn - ?
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Jones - ?
PF: Adebayo - ?
Ce: Leonard - Olynyk

Thats a damn good team. Imagine the Heat in the first half of the season minus the turnovers with better defense at the point.

[gom]

You can always dump contracts, my god Miami just dumped Waiters and JJ with 1 more year on their contracts and all you gave up with an often injured young defensive player.

I believe it's hard to get to the finals and when there's a legit chance to get there I think teams should do what it takes to give them a decent shot. Creating cap space for the future would never stop me from strengthening a team with a chance to compete for the title, as long as I believe there was a legit chance to do that.

Not likely if it's a $43.5m contract that prevents you from competing two years from now. Especially when we're already pick-poor. Again, I trust the Heat FO here. If there was a good deal, they would have made it.

[AirP.]

You can always dump contracts, my god Miami just dumped Waiters and JJ with 1 more year on their contracts and all you gave up with an often injured young defensive player.

I believe it's hard to get to the finals and when there's a legit chance to get there I think teams should do what it takes to give them a decent shot. Creating cap space for the future would never stop me from strengthening a team with a chance to compete for the title, as long as I believe there was a legit chance to do that.

Not likely if it's a $43.5m contract that prevents you from competing two years from now. Especially when we're already pick-poor. Again, I trust the Heat FO here. If there was a good deal, they would have made it.

If we're talking dumping CP3s contract you won't dump the whole thing, you'll have to take back some bad contract(s) and those could be rerouted to a 3rd/4th team.

In 2 years you're no longer pick poor.

Miami just acquired a max FA with no cap space by dumping most of Whiteside's contract. Miami just dumped 2 bad multiyear contracts for a injured but solid potential young guy. I have faith that this FO can figure that out and not only that, have options on which way they'd want to go with the dumping of the salary.

It is possible that Riley makes a huge move this summer and if so I'm fine with that, if he doesn't and he basically just let this team coast for the most part roster wise for 2 straight seasons that's just wasting a gift that they got with signing a 30 year old max player.

[dolphinatik]

I liked Beal but the opt in extension killed it for me. That's a Carmelo move, don't complain when u don't win anything later.

[AirP.]

Read on Twitter

[gom]

You can always dump contracts, my god Miami just dumped Waiters and JJ with 1 more year on their contracts and all you gave up with an often injured young defensive player.

I believe it's hard to get to the finals and when there's a legit chance to get there I think teams should do what it takes to give them a decent shot. Creating cap space for the future would never stop me from strengthening a team with a chance to compete for the title, as long as I believe there was a legit chance to do that.

Not likely if it's a $43.5m contract that prevents you from competing two years from now. Especially when we're already pick-poor. Again, I trust the Heat FO here. If there was a good deal, they would have made it.

If we're talking dumping CP3s contract you won't dump the whole thing, you'll have to take back some bad contract(s) and those could be rerouted to a 3rd/4th team.

In 2 years you're no longer pick poor.

Miami just acquired a max FA with no cap space by dumping most of Whiteside's contract. Miami just dumped 2 bad multiyear contracts for a injured but solid potential young guy. I have faith that this FO can figure that out and not only that, have options on which way they'd want to go with the dumping of the salary.

It is possible that Riley makes a huge move this summer and if so I'm fine with that, if he doesn't and he basically just let this team coast for the most part roster wise for 2 straight seasons that's just wasting a gift that they got with signing a 30 year old max player.

Agreed 100%.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

This team's defense being average is not shocking. Nunn is a rookie PG, Duncan Robinson is one of the worst small forwards defensively, Olynyk is sub-par defensively and Goran Dragic can't defend anymore. We just need to add 1 more elite defender and this Heat team goes back to being top 10 defensively. Can't be great defensively with 3 non-great defensive players in your starting lineup.

At least the pick is picking up value now.

[Wiltside]

Iggie been a bit chit guys.

Gimme byk my Winnie

[HeatFanLifer]

This team's defense being average is not shocking. Nunn is a rookie PG, Duncan Robinson is one of the worst small forwards defensively, Olynyk is sub-par defensively and Goran Dragic can't defend anymore. We just need to add 1 more elite defender and this Heat team goes back to being top 10 defensively. Can't be great defensively with 3 non-great defensive players in your starting lineup.

At least the pick is picking up value now.

Spo will still Spo tho

[AirP.]

Spo isn't the problem, it's the roster that is the problem. Spo did a great job in the first half of this season with smoke and mirrors and some luck, but that couldn't last all season, it's the NBA, TALENT WINS and Miami balked at adding real talent because of a 2021 dream. This franchise just did the same thing they did with the 30-11 team, no real changes, we are good, just look at the record!

What's really cool, next year could be worse.

Here's a post I did on Jan 3rd this year on this very board.

Likely nothing happening on the trade front, especially if we hit ASG on a high note, though I'd point out that DJJ's at his optimal value as a expiree rn; we're not the kinda team that'd make that move, I don't think

Only realistic trades that I was interested in are becoming fewer and fewer (less likely). Only currently plausible trades that I would've considered entering Justise for even was Blake or Randle, but Blake's fallen off a cliff and Randle's went from low hanging fruit to back of the top shelf. Really felt like Olynyk+ Meyers and a first(however we would've accrued it) would have done it a month prior, decent young player in our age frame without an unreasonable contract for the next two yrs

I hope not, Miami be falling into that same type of situation they had a few years ago which got Waiters and JJ and then found out, wow, just happened to have things fall Miami's way this will last forever with these guys!

I really fear if this team doesn't add real talent(although some smaller moves would help) for multiple years this team will fall greatly from where they are now, especially next year when Leonard, Dragic, and Olynyk could leave for more financial security. Yes some of the younger players will get better but the overall talent will be lower. Unless you have top tier talent, when you get comfortable that's when you get passed.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1922958&start=180

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Iguodala's on-off is -15.5 per 100 possessions. After Herro comes back he will probably get a lot less minutes.

Nunn/Dragic
Butler/Herro
Robinson/Jones Jr.
Bam/Crowder
Leonard/Olynyk

Much better team.

[Dr_Heat]

Just saw James Johnson putting gas in his Bentley here in Pinecrest Fl. Guess he still likes sunny south Florida