Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[twix2500]

My 2 cents in Herro current struggles.

Herro is handling the ball too much. Its the same issue that he struggle with when Spo tried to turn him into a point guard last year. I understand that due to injuries to the Heat primary ball handlers Herro is called onto handle the rock again as a point. But it undercuts the success he was having at the start of the season. Herro started the season at high peak physical condition then to add he was coming off the bench exposing his opponents who were fatigued. I knew that energy level couldn't sustain consistently but now he has more responsibilities its taking away the energy advantage all together. How he is expending his energy level is affecting his accuracy. Getting Lowry and Victor back would allow Herro to get back to the game he was playing.

However in the meantime, spo needs to talk with him about how to distribute his energy. And this also goes back to utilization of Bam. Spo needs needs to be more aggressive in his play calling for Bam to score. Take some of these shot attempts from Herro and give them to Bam. Relieving some responsibilities of Herro. So Herro can focus on ball handling and setting the offense up until the point guards return.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tyler Herro
Duncan Robinson
Markieff Morris
First Round Pick x 2

For

Jaylen Brown

MIAMI
Lowry / Vincent
Brown / Oladipo
Butler / Strus
Tucker / Martin
Adebayo / Dedmon / Yurtseven

BOSTON
Smart / Schroder / Pritchard
Herro / Robinson / Langford
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Horford / Williams
Williams / Kanter

Pipe dream probably, but hey, who knows.

Perfect fit, not to mention Jimmy is his mentor. I’d be so hype. Ainge isn’t there anymore so who knows?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

My 2 cents in Herro current struggles.

Herro is handling the ball too much. Its the same issue that he struggle with when Spo tried to turn him into a point guard last year. I understand that due to injuries to the Heat primary ball handlers Herro is called onto handle the rock again as a point. But it undercuts the success he was having at the start of the season. Herro started the season at high peak physical condition then to add he was coming off the bench exposing his opponents who were fatigued. I knew that energy level couldn't sustain consistently but now he has more responsibilities its taking away the energy advantage all together. How he is expending his energy level is affecting his accuracy. Getting Lowry and Victor back would allow Herro to get back to the game he was playing.

However in the meantime, spo needs to talk with him about how to distribute his energy. And this also goes back to utilization of Bam. Spo needs needs to be more aggressive in his play calling for Bam to score. Take some of these shot attempts from Herro and give them to Bam. So Herro can focus on ball handling and setting the offense up until the point guards return.

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I disagree with this. I don’t think Herros role has changed much, I think Jimmy and Bam are taking it upon themselves now to make plays and cover for Lowry. Hopefully I’m wrong and he improves and is more consistent when we’re at full strength

[somerandomdude]

Spo is still on track to have his first 50 win season without the Big 3, but he might fall short if we don't go on a decent win streak.

And I know the regular season record is meaningless, but pretty much every NBA champion has hit that 50 win mark, with most of them being at 55 or more wins.

[twix2500]

My 2 cents in Herro current struggles.

Herro is handling the ball too much. Its the same issue that he struggle with when Spo tried to turn him into a point guard last year. I understand that due to injuries to the Heat primary ball handlers Herro is called onto handle the rock again as a point. But it undercuts the success he was having at the start of the season. Herro started the season at high peak physical condition then to add he was coming off the bench exposing his opponents who were fatigued. I knew that energy level couldn't sustain consistently but now he has more responsibilities its taking away the energy advantage all together. How he is expending his energy level is affecting his accuracy. Getting Lowry and Victor back would allow Herro to get back to the game he was playing.

However in the meantime, spo needs to talk with him about how to distribute his energy. And this also goes back to utilization of Bam. Spo needs needs to be more aggressive in his play calling for Bam to score. Take some of these shot attempts from Herro and give them to Bam. So Herro can focus on ball handling and setting the offense up until the point guards return.

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I disagree with this. I don’t think Herros role has changed much, I think Jimmy and Bam are taking it upon themselves now to make plays and cover for Lowry. Hopefully I’m wrong and he improves and is more consistent when we’re at full strength

He will because there will be a lot more smarter shot attempts. You will see more snowbirding, leaks, backdoors, midrange from curls etc. Playing the James Harden Dion Waiters style of ball at the top of the key is entertaining but its ultimately Inefficient and is high energy use. Herro needs more easy off ball points. But its hard to do that and bring the ball upcourt.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

My 2 cents in Herro current struggles.

Herro is handling the ball too much. Its the same issue that he struggle with when Spo tried to turn him into a point guard last year. I understand that due to injuries to the Heat primary ball handlers Herro is called onto handle the rock again as a point. But it undercuts the success he was having at the start of the season. Herro started the season at high peak physical condition then to add he was coming off the bench exposing his opponents who were fatigued. I knew that energy level couldn't sustain consistently but now he has more responsibilities its taking away the energy advantage all together. How he is expending his energy level is affecting his accuracy. Getting Lowry and Victor back would allow Herro to get back to the game he was playing.

However in the meantime, spo needs to talk with him about how to distribute his energy. And this also goes back to utilization of Bam. Spo needs needs to be more aggressive in his play calling for Bam to score. Take some of these shot attempts from Herro and give them to Bam. So Herro can focus on ball handling and setting the offense up until the point guards return.

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I disagree with this. I don’t think Herros role has changed much, I think Jimmy and Bam are taking it upon themselves now to make plays and cover for Lowry. Hopefully I’m wrong and he improves and is more consistent when we’re at full strength

He will because there will be a lot more smarter shot attempts. You will see more snowbirding, leaks, backdoors, midrange from curls etc. Playing the James Harden Dion Waiters style of ball at the top of the key is entertaining but its ultimately Inefficient and is high energy use. Herro needs more easy off ball points. But its hard to do that and bring the ball upcourt.

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Hope you’re right, I really liked that 3-4 game span he had right before this 3 game bad streak. If he’s going to lead the team in shots and usage (he shouldn’t) then he needs to be much more efficient going forward.

[twix2500]

Heat record before Bam was injured: .555 (10-8)

Heat record since Bam's return: .555 (5-4)

.555 is a 46-win pace.

Heat record in games where both Bam and Lowry played: .588 (11-7), which is a 48-win pace.

Heat are .615 right now, which is on pace for 50 wins.

Spo is still on track to have his first 50 win season without the Big 3, but he might fall short if we don't go on a decent win streak.

And I know the regular season record is meaningless, but pretty much every NBA champion has hit that 50 win mark, with most of them being at 55 or more wins.

Speaking of which, I believe the Heat finished around 15-7 without Bam, which is a 55-win pace. Quite a few of these games also didn't include Jimmy.

Not too much worried about the record. They will be in the thick of things and can make that playoff position push in March. Heat were very lucky to get 20 point games from players like Duncan, Strus, Gabe and Martin that was able to take advantage of Covud depleted teams in December. But its getting to the time of the season were team are more focused and discipline to make a play off push. They gonna game plan to take out role players its time for the stars to start carrying the team. Heat needs to get healthy and get Bam, Jimmy and Herro in the best scoring position to carry the team.

This team need to win or lose based on Bam, Butler and Herro being efficient scorers everyone else just play your role.

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[wade44]

Not as high on Jaylen Brown as some are here. Every year when the going got bad for the Celtics, the blame went to everybody else except Brown and Tatum. Just don’t think his style is conducive to winning he’s one of those all about me players. Let another team unload their farm for him I’d rather chase a bigger fish tbh

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not as high on Jaylen Brown as some are here. Every year when the going got bad for the Celtics, the blame went to everybody else except Brown and Tatum. Just don’t think his style is conducive to winning he’s one of those all about me players. Let another team unload their farm for him I’d rather chase a bigger fish tbh

I actually think we’re the perfect place to take him to the next level. No one on our team cares about getting 30 a night like Tatum, I feel like they’re competing most nights to try and out do the other.

I’m also fine with bigger fish though lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[twix2500]

Not as high on Jaylen Brown as some are here. Every year when the going got bad for the Celtics, the blame went to everybody else except Brown and Tatum. Just don’t think his style is conducive to winning he’s one of those all about me players. Let another team unload their farm for him I’d rather chase a bigger fish tbh

I actually think we’re the perfect place to take him to the next level. No one on our team cares about getting 30 a night like Tatum, I feel like they’re competing most nights to try and out do the other.

I’m also fine with bigger fish though lol

I like Brown but you can kiss that idea goodbye as long as he is in the Celtics. They will never make a Brown to Heat deal.

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[twix2500]

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Yes and people need to stop acting like 90 mill over 5 years is some big money. Not one of those years he is making 20 mill. He is making 15 mill this year which is basically what the Heat paid Olynyk, Winslow, James Johnson and Waiters. Even with his struggles he has outplayed all of them.

Thats like saying a McDonald employee got a $100,000 over 5 years contract to flip burgers.

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[wade44]

Not as high on Jaylen Brown as some are here. Every year when the going got bad for the Celtics, the blame went to everybody else except Brown and Tatum. Just don’t think his style is conducive to winning he’s one of those all about me players. Let another team unload their farm for him I’d rather chase a bigger fish tbh

I actually think we’re the perfect place to take him to the next level. No one on our team cares about getting 30 a night like Tatum, I feel like they’re competing most nights to try and out do the other.

I’m also fine with bigger fish though lol

There is no next level with him. He’s already peaked IMO and taking close to 20 shots a night on low efficiency. We could do better

[wade44]

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Yes and people need to stop acting like 90 mill over 5 years is some big money. Not one of those years he is making 20 mill. He is making 15 mill this year which is basically what the Heat paid Olynyk, Winslow, James Johnson and Waiters. Even with his struggles he has outplayed all of them.

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Yeah the whole Robinson scapegoat thing is strange. While giving him the contract was probably a mistake in the first place, he’s not playing enough to really matter anymore. It’s the massive contract guys (Jimmy, bam, Lowry) we should be looking at and wondering why they are underperforming or simply not in the lineup

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not as high on Jaylen Brown as some are here. Every year when the going got bad for the Celtics, the blame went to everybody else except Brown and Tatum. Just don’t think his style is conducive to winning he’s one of those all about me players. Let another team unload their farm for him I’d rather chase a bigger fish tbh

I actually think we’re the perfect place to take him to the next level. No one on our team cares about getting 30 a night like Tatum, I feel like they’re competing most nights to try and out do the other.

I’m also fine with bigger fish though lol

There is no next level with him. He’s already peaked IMO and taking close to 20 shots a night on low efficiency. We could do better

Ehhhh I mean he’s only 25 and hasn’t played with a legit pass first PG or in a system like ours but you never know you might be right.

Who would you have in mind?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Yes and people need to stop acting like 90 mill over 5 years is some big money. Not one of those years he is making 20 mill. He is making 15 mill this year which is basically what the Heat paid Olynyk, Winslow, James Johnson and Waiters. Even with his struggles he has outplayed all of them.

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Yeah the whole Robinson scapegoat thing is strange. While giving him the contract was probably a mistake in the first place, he’s not playing enough to really matter anymore. It’s the massive contract guys (Jimmy, bam, Lowry) we should be looking at and wondering why they are underperforming or simply not in the lineup

That’s one of the issues, he’s making that money and can’t even touch the court at times. He basically has to be traded if we want to improve via trade due to the numbers so I think that’s why he’s brought up so much. If he can’t play then find someone making around that money who can and find a way to get him. Like Wood for example, who we’re interested in.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just saw the Dipo video, he looks great. There are going to be some upset fans when he’s taking minutes from Herro because he’s a better 2 way and more impactful player. If we keep Herro.

Once Duncan is gone the door opens for plenty of Dipo and Herro minutes at the two.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just saw the Dipo video, he looks great. There are going to be some upset fans when he’s taking minutes from Herro because he’s a better 2 way and more impactful player. If we keep Herro.

Once Duncan is gone the door opens for plenty of Dipo and Herro minutes at the two.

I’m ready for it, let’s hope for our Wood deal to happen if that’s the case.

Looked like Dipos head was at the rim on that reverse dunk

[wade44]

I actually think we’re the perfect place to take him to the next level. No one on our team cares about getting 30 a night like Tatum, I feel like they’re competing most nights to try and out do the other.

I’m also fine with bigger fish though lol

There is no next level with him. He’s already peaked IMO and taking close to 20 shots a night on low efficiency. We could do better

Ehhhh I mean he’s only 25 and hasn’t played with a legit pass first PG or in a system like ours but you never know you might be right.

Who would you have in mind?

I think you wait for something to open up. There’s not a whole lot out there right now, and the guys that could be available seem to have a lot of baggage. Maybe we just roll with getting healthy and Lowry back, and go from there for this season at least

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just saw the Dipo video, he looks great. There are going to be some upset fans when he’s taking minutes from Herro because he’s a better 2 way and more impactful player. If we keep Herro.

Once Duncan is gone the door opens for plenty of Dipo and Herro minutes at the two.

I’m ready for it, let’s hope for our Wood deal to happen if that’s the case.

Looked like Dipos head was at the rim on that reverse dunk

And his handles looked lightening quick. Heat recovery lab in full effect