R3G1: Heat @ Celtics, 5/17/23 8:30pm

[MettaWorldPanda]

Without Herro, they’re better defensively and are more efficient on the offensive end, it seems.

The injuries to Herro and Oladipo allowed the team to form it's true identity and put players in the roles they where meant to be in. The injuries helped Strus, Lowry, and Martin the most. Now if Herro where to come back I would say it would have to be in the 6th man role cause Strus has earned his starting spot and then some just on sheer fit with the starting unit. Guy is just built to be a natural big two guard and plays so well off of Jimmy. The guy knows his role too the tee. With that being said Herro makes way too much to be a backup two guard and should probably be starting on a team that knows how to mask his defensive weaknesses a bit better. He needs to be in a system that has rim protecting bigs and not a lot of switching. I'm fully expecting him to be shopped heavily this offseason while we try to resign both Vincent and Strus. There will be plenty of teams out there looking to take on Herro as their starting two guard next year without a doubt.

I agree, Herro needs a shot blocking, tall center on the back line. Heavy switching defense is crippling for him, because he is hunted on every switch.

Hornets and the Hawks would be really good landing spots for him.

[contract]

From almost out of the playoffs to 3 wins away from the finals. EFFING INSANE.

It's like we are in this bubbly dream. Haven't seen a sports team lately making a run like this Heat team is doing as of the moment.

Literally doing the exact same thing at the exact same time. Game 1 of the NHL Eastern Conference Finals is tonight @ 8 pm ET.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

With Herro it’s simple. It’s one less guy to hunt defensively, offensively it increases Jimmy and Bams usage, allows Lowry to run the 2nd unit, and the ball isn’t sticking near as much/getting more efficient shot opportunities.

He would be nice to have off the bench though, Duncan’s starting to stink it up and he’ll even Zellers ass now. Maybe Herro slides in for Duncan and makes some shot and helps Zeller

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

does anyone know if Duncan Robinson's parents were Spurs fans?

nvm, just googled his age. born 1994. Tim Duncan didnt get drafted until like.. 98?

[IceColdCubano]

With Herro it’s simple. It’s one less guy to hunt defensively, offensively it increases Jimmy and Bams usage, allows Lowry to run the 2nd unit, and the ball isn’t sticking near as much/getting more efficient shot opportunities.

He would be nice to have off the bench though, Duncan’s starting to stink it up and he’ll even Zellers ass now. Maybe Herro slides in for Duncan and makes some shot and helps Zeller

Yeah, Spo if he is who we think he is, will put Herro off the bench these playoffs if he comes back at all, give him lite minutes earlier, let him get into a groove help our bench. Hopefully he goes microwave and we can sell super high next year.

[Wiltside]

With Herro it’s simple. It’s one less guy to hunt defensively, offensively it increases Jimmy and Bams usage, allows Lowry to run the 2nd unit, and the ball isn’t sticking near as much/getting more efficient shot opportunities.

He would be nice to have off the bench though, Duncan’s starting to stink it up and he’ll even Zellers ass now. Maybe Herro slides in for Duncan and makes some shot and helps Zeller

Yeah, Spo if he is who we think he is, will put Herro off the bench these playoffs if he comes back at all, give him lite minutes earlier, let him get into a groove help our bench. Hopefully he goes microwave and we can sell super high next year.

Spo is definitely not one to mess with a winning formula. It’ll be exactly as you said.

Only way this season Herro gets a major role is if we’re on the ropes and we need a Hail Mary.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No Scott Foster tonight for the Lakers, they’ve sent Tony Brothers.

We know what’s coming

[DayofMourning]

does anyone know if Duncan Robinson's parents were Spurs fans?

nvm, just googled his age. born 1994. Tim Duncan didnt get drafted until like.. 98?

Word is they followed Timmy since high school, hence the name.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lakers at least have 2 home games and some home cooking to fall back on if they lose tonight, Bostons just completely cooked if they go down 0-2 coming to Miami. Scott Foster masterclass is coming

[HeatFanDan]

Predictably, after a big Heat win, no Stephen A. on First Take. smh. ESPN is a network of cowards.

[eddieheatfan]

Predictably, after a big Heat win, no Stephen A. on First Take. smh. ESPN is a network of cowards.

its a mickey mouse franchise, literally

[Kobewade11]

If you're questioning Herro's fit on a potential return what you're really doing is doubting Erik Spoelstra. He is going to put guys where they need to be to succeed.

[Lennyzinho]

I ain't no Herro stan but y'all are taking this a bit too far.
The biggest change to the Heat has been the 3pt shooting %
I understand what some are saying that the ball is moving more and we are getting better shots etc... We were getting plenty of good looks during regular season, the ball just wasn't going in. Herro and Caleb were our best 3pt shooters during the season. And the main difference in the playoffs, is that Jimmy touches the ball every possession and initiates the action. It's not that Herro is out of the rotation.
Also, Herro seemed to plateau offensively, but he improved defensively. There were articles by SI and Heavy about Herro's improved defense:
https://heatnation.com/team-news/eastern-conference-executive-praises-tyler-herro-for-his-improved-defense-you-definitely-cant-target-him-anymore/
Saying exactly the opposite of what y'all are saying, that he isn't someone to target over and over anymore. Strus is bigger but worse defensively. Vincent is 'pesky' and 'relentless' as Reggie Miller likes to point out but is small, got picked on by Jaylen Brown, commits bad fouls and almost cost us game 6 vs the Knicks. Not only would I take Herro over the Duncan minutes, I'd also take him over Gabe in the Lowry/Gabe playing together rotation or even closing out games. Herro was literally the best FT shooter in the league this year at 93.4%. Dude hadn't missed a FT attempt in over 100 tries until he got hurt. He's a very good rebounder for his size and has much better leaping ability or crashing boards than Gabe and shoots better from 3 and also creates better...
Gabe shot 11 for 41 which is .268% from 3 during the Knicks series. Thank goodness he went 3 for 5 yesterday to average that out a bit. He's a career 33.3% 3 Pt shooter, Herro is a career 38% shooter and was shooting that same percentage this year also. Bigger. Better rebounder. Better creator.

You wanna trade Herro to upgrade the team, that's fine. If it gets us a real upgrade, I'm here for it. But if someone is suggesting trade Herro away so we can make sure to pay Gabe 15M a year, I'll lose it.

[contract]

I am going to be honest here, were absolutely playing better without Tyler Herro for a couple of points.

1. Our role players need rhythm to get into a successful groove during the game. Something that is harder to do when there are less shots to go around as Herro takes up a large percentage of them, and they are absolutely inefficient by league standards for a star. He also takes shots away from our more efficient players like Jimmy & Bam who are more prone to have a physical advantage over their defender something that Herro's lack of length, speed, athletism, & Agility is lacking.
2. When Herro is having an off shooting night its absolutely crippling for us, because your essentially throwing away possessions and on the other end he is easy to score on, putting more stress on our back line. Also causing our other players sometimes getting into foul trouble because they have to interfere once the defender beats Herro off the dribble.
3. Turn overs in the worst opportune moments, Herro sometimes loses his dribble or commits the worse of turnovers you ever see in a live game. In the playoffs every mistake is that much more cumbersome to overcome. He becomes a player that the other teams heavily focuses on as an attack weak point.

Been saying this for some time now. Tyler's game and his role don't match his talent level. You want your best players taking the most shots. He's not, but he does. And it's one thing to have a star player stopping ball movement, and something entirely different when it's a guy like Tyler stopping it. The problem is that he needs to be a volume scorer to justify his presence on the court since his defense is so bad, but he's not efficient enough to justify him leading the team in shot attempts. It's hard to tell if this organization really believes that he can develop into some kind of star, or if they are just hoping to juice up his trade value by letting him shoot enough to average over 20 ppg. I'm 90% sure it's the latter much the same way we made Josh Richardson look like a rising star ... but it seems like an odd thing for a team with championship aspirations to do. We almost missed the playoffs. Tyler needs to get over his dream of being a star and become a catch and shoot guy that only puts it on the floor to punish defenses for closing too aggressively. It's nice that he works on his ball handling, but I don't want to see it during a game. Especially because he's not that good at creating opportunities for other guys.

[Lennyzinho]

The boards thinking "We are playing better because Herro is out"
When it should be "Playoff Jimmy elevating entire team around him and shots are going in. We'd be even more dangerous with Herro"

[Beenie]

Herro has been and would continue to be a fantastic 6 man for this team.

Starting group doesn't need him to be a primary handler, and the team seems to view his role to be on the ball instead of being off the ball.

If the milk cant be put back into the cow, it would probably be best to move him.

[Heat3]

It's funny reading reactions from the opponent fan base after they lose to the Heat. It's always "Heat shooting lights out is unsustainable"

Three rounds in and they are still saying it. None of them have watched the Heat play in the playoffs it seems. All just look at the season stats and none bother to look at how these same guys shot last year.

[Beenie]

Adam has been advocating to move Herro for OG Anunoby which I used to think was ridiculous.

I have to admit now that it makes some sense.

Something like an OG and Gary Trent package and filler for Herro and parts (hopefully Duncan) would be something to consider.

[Kobewade11]

Adam has been advocating to move Herro for OG Anunoby which I used to think was ridiculous.

I have to admit now that it makes some sense.

Something like an OG and Gary Trent package and filler for Herro and parts (hopefully Duncan) would be something to consider.

Looking at it from the other side, why does Toronto have any interest in this deal?

[IceColdCubano]

The boards thinking "We are playing better because Herro is out"
When it should be "Playoff Jimmy elevating entire team around him and shots are going in. We'd be even more dangerous with Herro"

I don't think thats what people are saying, everyone here has seen, Jimmy elevate his game and our role players hitting their shots. Its more in line with how much better it is when the focus of our scoring is being funneled to through the hands of Jimmy and to a degree Bam, both of which are much more efficient in scoring. I think we can all agree he played a important role as our 6th man of the bench the previous year, and the gap that was left when he joined the starters was massive. I don't need to look at analytics to know while Herro has improved he is still considered bad by every measure. The numbers could say that Struss was worse defensively, but when the other team is out there, the eye test doesn't lie they still hunt him to a far greater degree. Perhaps it hasn't caught up with everyone yet, but for this season the other teams still treat Herro like he is the worse of them on perimeter defense.