Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[twix2500]

Haven't seen anything yet, he was seen by a specialist yesterday morning, but that's the last word we got. Hopefully its good news, but the silence is kind of scaring me a bit, really looking forward to the depth in our young department, really wanted to see him play some meaninful minutes in the upcoming pre season games.

I am now expecting them to hold him out during the preseason. I think the Heat need to adjust some of their workout regiment for bigs. Jovic has played a lot if basketball this summer. And players his age can over do it because they never had major injuries growing up. I remember over doing it working out when I was 19. I got a cyst in my left wrist from working out too much on my shoot form. I was teaching myself to shoot ambidextrous. Since then my left wrist is very sensitive to workouts. The cyst will return if I don't ice my wrist.

Once you start having knee problems its usually a sign if irreversible damage. He has to be careful. I am currently suffering from the workouts I did when I was young. I currently had a doctor look at my knees and say knee replacement is in my future.

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Im on the same boat as you with my knees, except mine were due to the Military, I got out after 8 years and never went after disability because I didn't want the process to slow down to get out, had to see a bunch of doctors and waits months for appointments, and also didn't want to have a disability I though it would hurt getting a job in the civilian world. Looking back I should of done it, really hard to prove it now.

Brother its depressing. From getting my first real dunk in 9th grade to can barely walk up steps. I don't even remember the last time I jumped.

[IceColdCubano]

Why are we still talking about the Dame saga....like Geesh no matter who messed up, or what if scenarios he isn't here. Lets move on please, no matter what we dig up on whatever rumor mill says, it won't change the end result.

[gom]

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G: Dru Smith, Alondes Williams, RJ Hampton
F: Duncan Robinson, Haywood Highsmith, Cheick Diallo, Justin Champagnie, Jamal Cain, Drew Peterson, Cole Swider
C: Orlando Robinson, Thomas Bryant

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Smith, D. Robinson, Highsmith, Swider, Bryant start?

[AirP.]

New Lowe Post Podcast out today with Tim Bontemps and they talk Miami. It's uploaded to spotify but there's not a tweet about it yet and you can listen to it here at apple podcasts.

Spoiler:

They also talk about Herro and both agree the Heat were better without Herro in the playoffs and Zach explains why which is basically is about his bad defense and how each round of the playoffs that can screw you. Zach also talks about what I also think, he needs to play more like Klay on offense vs dribbling around looking for his own shot.

On the above-mentioned podcast Zach Lowe and Tim Bontemps is taking the over for Miami (44.5) which is 45+ wins.
On the most recent Bill Simmons podcast, Simmons is also taking the over for Miami at 45+ wins.

[jbsays]

How can the Heat have been better without Herro due to his bad defense when Robinson and Zeller were both getting minutes in the playoffs. Granted Herro wouldn't have ate in to Zeller's minutes, but Robinson probably wouldn't have played as much if Herro was healthy.

After game 1 I'd imagine Swider is the guy everyone is watching to see if he can keep it up. Can he fill a similar role to Straus? At 6'9/6'10 he's certainly intriguing if he can keep up his shooting streak.

Highsmith also looked good from the highlights and may be ready to step in to a bigger role. He is all effort and looks good at the defensive end..... you know Spo loves that so he will give him a shot.

[AirP.]

How can the Heat have been better without Herro due to his bad defense when Robinson and Zeller were both getting minutes in the playoffs. Granted Herro wouldn't have ate in to Zeller's minutes, but Robinson probably wouldn't have played as much if Herro was healthy.

Robinson played 18 minutes a game in the playoffs. Zeller averaged 8 minutes a game.

After game 1 I'd imagine Swider is the guy everyone is watching to see if he can keep it up. Can he fill a similar role to Straus? At 6'9/6'10 he's certainly intriguing if he can keep up his shooting streak.

Highsmith also looked good from the highlights and may be ready to step in to a bigger role. He is all effort and looks good at the defensive end..... you know Spo loves that so he will give him a shot.

Strus was a 3pt shooting wing that had somewhat acceptable defense and was somewhat switchable which is a key to why he stayed in the starting lineup, I'm not sure Swider is anywhere near as good on defense and able to handle some smaller/faster players but who cares, there should be a 3pt specialist always being developed to not spend much money on a 1 skilled player. Expect a lot of Highsmith, especially if he has an acceptable 3pt shot, he could end up being a long-term rotation player for Miami, possibly a younger PJ Tucker type.

[jbsays]

How can the Heat have been better without Herro due to his bad defense when Robinson and Zeller were both getting minutes in the playoffs. Granted Herro wouldn't have ate in to Zeller's minutes, but Robinson probably wouldn't have played as much if Herro was healthy.

Robinson played 18 minutes a game in the playoffs. Zeller averaged 8 minutes a game.

After game 1 I'd imagine Swider is the guy everyone is watching to see if he can keep it up. Can he fill a similar role to Straus? At 6'9/6'10 he's certainly intriguing if he can keep up his shooting streak.

Highsmith also looked good from the highlights and may be ready to step in to a bigger role. He is all effort and looks good at the defensive end..... you know Spo loves that so he will give him a shot.

Strus was a 3pt shooting wing that had somewhat acceptable defense and was somewhat switchable which is a key to why he stayed in the starting lineup, I'm not sure Swider is anywhere near as good on defense and able to handle some smaller/faster players but who cares, there should be a 3pt specialist always being developed to not spend much money on a 1 skilled player. Expect a lot of Highsmith, especially if he has an acceptable 3pt shot, he could end up being a long-term rotation player for Miami, possibly a younger PJ Tucker type.

You're right about Swider. He shouldn't be guarding wings. I was just pointing out he was a 3 point specialist.

I still think Duncan would have rode the pine if Herro was healthy. the remaining minutes he would have got would have probably came from Vincent and maybe Strus.

Do you think Highsmith could fill more of the Strus role? Seems like he can stick with quicker perimeter players.

[jbsays]

Also, I'm thinking everyone is thinking Bryant will be an upgrade over Zeller?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also, I'm thinking everyone is thinking Bryant will be an upgrade over Zeller?

Easily. Zeller played 1 minute in game 5 of the finals and it was literally the reason we lost

[eddieheatfan]

Also, I'm thinking everyone is thinking Bryant will be an upgrade over Zeller?

Easily. Zeller played 1 minute in game 5 of the finals and it was literally the reason we lost

zeller got paid

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[fishfuego.]

Why are we still talking about the Dame saga....like Geesh no matter who messed up, or what if scenarios he isn't here. Lets move on please, no matter what we dig up on whatever rumor mill says, it won't change the end result.

I agree.
I’m in a similar boat as you and Twix about the knees, but mine is due to playing organized football.

[fishfuego.]

How can the Heat have been better without Herro due to his bad defense when Robinson and Zeller were both getting minutes in the playoffs. Granted Herro wouldn't have ate in to Zeller's minutes, but Robinson probably wouldn't have played as much if Herro was healthy.

Robinson played 18 minutes a game in the playoffs. Zeller averaged 8 minutes a game.

After game 1 I'd imagine Swider is the guy everyone is watching to see if he can keep it up. Can he fill a similar role to Straus? At 6'9/6'10 he's certainly intriguing if he can keep up his shooting streak.

Highsmith also looked good from the highlights and may be ready to step in to a bigger role. He is all effort and looks good at the defensive end..... you know Spo loves that so he will give him a shot.

Strus was a 3pt shooting wing that had somewhat acceptable defense and was somewhat switchable which is a key to why he stayed in the starting lineup, I'm not sure Swider is anywhere near as good on defense and able to handle some smaller/faster players but who cares, there should be a 3pt specialist always being developed to not spend much money on a 1 skilled player. Expect a lot of Highsmith, especially if he has an acceptable 3pt shot, he could end up being a long-term rotation player for Miami, possibly a younger PJ Tucker type.

I did notice something with Swider, and it was a rebound in traffic where his height played a significant role. Also Spo did not use a zone defense in the last game I think. Maybe Swider with a systemic D can be more useful that Robinson. But yeah everything depends on what he really brings to the table and under the Heat’s system. Here I’m hoping.

[fishfuego.]

Also, I'm thinking everyone is thinking Bryant will be an upgrade over Zeller?

Zeller was very limited, I think Bryant is definitely an upgrade.

[SerialChiller]

Also, I'm thinking everyone is thinking Bryant will be an upgrade over Zeller?

Zeller was very limited, I think Bryant is definitely an upgrade.

Huge upgrade for sure! Bryant can actually get buckets and I doubt his d can be any worse.

[MiamiLoyal926]

“They didn’t really go for Bradley Beal,” said NBA insider Zach Lowe. “I think that was a vote of confidence in Tyler Herro. I think, from what I heard, the Heat looked at that situation and said, ‘We don’t think Bradley Beal, who’s…seven years older than Tyler Herro, is $30 million better than Tyler Herro going forward. We just don’t think the upgrade is worth it.'”

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-didnt-feel-like-bradley-beal-was-30m-better-than-tyler-herro/amp/

Personally, this type of assessment is the type of assessments and rationale I expect and hope Heat brass follow when looking at these possible trade scenarios. Every player should be assessed based on not just their possible on court performance, but age, fit, timeline, and also the net ROI for said player accounting for both salary and trade capital versus other players we are giving up.

That Gobert trade really screwed up the market. It’s almost as if a contending team or one seeking to be competitive should overpay for a coveted player.

[AirP.]

“They didn’t really go for Bradley Beal,” said NBA insider Zach Lowe. “I think that was a vote of confidence in Tyler Herro. I think, from what I heard, the Heat looked at that situation and said, ‘We don’t think Bradley Beal, who’s…seven years older than Tyler Herro, is $30 million better than Tyler Herro going forward. We just don’t think the upgrade is worth it.'”

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-didnt-feel-like-bradley-beal-was-30m-better-than-tyler-herro/amp/

Personally, this type of assessment is the type of assessments and rationale I expect and hope Heat brass follow when looking at these possible trade scenarios. Every player should be assessed based on not just their possible on court performance, but age, fit, timeline, and also the net ROI for said player accounting for both salary and trade capital versus other players we are giving up.

That Gobert trade really screwed up the market. It’s almost as if a contending team or one seeking to be competitive should overpay for a coveted player.

Normally I'd agree with not moving a player like Herro for Beal with his age/salary but this is a franchise with a limited window and with that, that calculation has to be taken in account if a title is your #1 goal but I'm not so sure a title is the main goal, I think staying out of the tax as much as possible is the main goal with a title being the 2nd goal. It's not a terrible way to operate and it would be nice if everyone operated this way but they don't, maybe this new CBA with it's 2nd apron will fix that problem. People need to remember, going into the tax by 1 dollar doesn't just mean tax on that 1 dollar, it also means missing out on that ~10 million dollar check that all the non tax teams have been getting for a while.

[rate_]

Jaquez should be molded as a PG kinda like how they did with Winslow.

[MiamiLoyal926]

“They didn’t really go for Bradley Beal,” said NBA insider Zach Lowe. “I think that was a vote of confidence in Tyler Herro. I think, from what I heard, the Heat looked at that situation and said, ‘We don’t think Bradley Beal, who’s…seven years older than Tyler Herro, is $30 million better than Tyler Herro going forward. We just don’t think the upgrade is worth it.'”

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-didnt-feel-like-bradley-beal-was-30m-better-than-tyler-herro/amp/

Personally, this type of assessment is the type of assessments and rationale I expect and hope Heat brass follow when looking at these possible trade scenarios. Every player should be assessed based on not just their possible on court performance, but age, fit, timeline, and also the net ROI for said player accounting for both salary and trade capital versus other players we are giving up.

That Gobert trade really screwed up the market. It’s almost as if a contending team or one seeking to be competitive should overpay for a coveted player.

Normally I'd agree with not moving a player like Herro for Beal with his age/salary but this is a franchise with a limited window and with that, that calculation has to be taken in account if a title is your #1 goal but I'm not so sure a title is the main goal, I think staying out of the tax as much as possible is the main goal with a title being the 2nd goal. It's not a terrible way to operate and it would be nice if everyone operated this way but they don't, maybe this new CBA with it's 2nd apron will fix that problem. People need to remember, going into the tax by 1 dollar doesn't just mean tax on that 1 dollar, it also means missing out on that ~10 million dollar check that all the non tax teams have been getting for a while.

Agreed… title window should also part of the equation. I think we are stuck in an in between stage, where Butlers window is not long enough to go balls to the wall, so we are doing our best to try and put a te around Butler while also keeping future flexibility, which means don’t trade too many assets and also don’t become a 2nd apron team which limits you greatly on the trade and free agent market.

[AirP.]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-didnt-feel-like-bradley-beal-was-30m-better-than-tyler-herro/amp/

Personally, this type of assessment is the type of assessments and rationale I expect and hope Heat brass follow when looking at these possible trade scenarios. Every player should be assessed based on not just their possible on court performance, but age, fit, timeline, and also the net ROI for said player accounting for both salary and trade capital versus other players we are giving up.

That Gobert trade really screwed up the market. It’s almost as if a contending team or one seeking to be competitive should overpay for a coveted player.

Normally I'd agree with not moving a player like Herro for Beal with his age/salary but this is a franchise with a limited window and with that, that calculation has to be taken in account if a title is your #1 goal but I'm not so sure a title is the main goal, I think staying out of the tax as much as possible is the main goal with a title being the 2nd goal. It's not a terrible way to operate and it would be nice if everyone operated this way but they don't, maybe this new CBA with it's 2nd apron will fix that problem. People need to remember, going into the tax by 1 dollar doesn't just mean tax on that 1 dollar, it also means missing out on that ~10 million dollar check that all the non tax teams have been getting for a while.

Agreed… title window should also part of the equation. I think we are stuck in an in between stage, where Butlers window is not long enough to go balls to the wall, so we are doing our best to try and put a team around Butler while also keeping future flexibility, which means don’t trade too many assets and also don’t become a 2nd apron team which limits you greatly on the trade and free agent market.

It's already been 2-3 years about talking about Butler's too old to go all in with and yet Miami has been able to get very close to a title, maybe they'd have one in the last few years had they "went all in". Personally, I think if you have a shot you should always go all in because it's really hard to put your franchise in the position to win a championship.