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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#821 » by Bishop45 » Sun May 4, 2025 10:23 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Bosh > Bam on offense at everything but dunking and passing, and even with passing Bam takes too long though he does make nice reads. It's not really up for debate. Bam hasn't been a third option, he has a third option mentality (ie he is afraid to be assertive and take over) but he's constantly asked to be the #2 guy ever since Goran left. Tyler's been hurt and in and out of the lineup, everyone knew it was Bam/Jimmy for years, and then Jimmy left and Bam was clearly the #2 guy on offense (could have been #1 if he seized it and had the bag for it). LOL @ Terry usurping him, Terry chucked a bit but we never went to him, that's some real revisionist history there.

I love Bam, defensively he's everything and a clear upgrade over what CB brought to the team due to his physicality, but we don't have to make things up to make him more than what he is on offense. Which is a very nice complementary piece that really can't do more, and that's OK. He isn't held back by Spo or the team, he's held back by his own limitations, and I'm OK with that, I think you do a disservice to him when you build him up to be more than that because that's where the expectations come in and people get critical over things that aren't his role.

Also these KD/Harden trade ideas are so depressing, I'm already biased against KD but damn there isn't a player I hate more probably than Harden, that would be a really hard team to stomach. You're trying to recreate the 2021/2022 Brooklyn Nets except now it will work when they're 3-4 years older and more banged up? If they came for free I'd take a flyer, but actually making moves to assemble that team feels like what the Nets did to get Pierce/Garnett in 2014.


These are fair (won't comment on the Bam stuff, not sure that that is really a thing), but I wouldn't be mad at either adding Durant/Harden or embracing the rebuild. It's not the greatest idea but probably the FO's best chance at fake-winning, maintaining the orgs brand as a desirable destination/ winning org and competing for competitions sake-- which has miniscule benefits, but benefits nonetheless. Losing for a few seasons can't hurt that much either. Like Kobe said "never too high, never too low"
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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#822 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun May 4, 2025 10:38 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Bosh > Bam on offense at everything but dunking and passing, and even with passing Bam takes too long though he does make nice reads. It's not really up for debate. Bam hasn't been a third option, he has a third option mentality (ie he is afraid to be assertive and take over) but he's constantly asked to be the #2 guy ever since Goran left. Tyler's been hurt and in and out of the lineup, everyone knew it was Bam/Jimmy for years, and then Jimmy left and Bam was clearly the #2 guy on offense (could have been #1 if he seized it and had the bag for it). LOL @ Terry usurping him, Terry chucked a bit but we never went to him, that's some real revisionist history there.

I love Bam, defensively he's everything and a clear upgrade over what CB brought to the team due to his physicality, but we don't have to make things up to make him more than what he is on offense. Which is a very nice complementary piece that really can't do more, and that's OK. He isn't held back by Spo or the team, he's held back by his own limitations, and I'm OK with that, I think you do a disservice to him when you build him up to be more than that because that's where the expectations come in and people get critical over things that aren't his role.

Also these KD/Harden trade ideas are so depressing, I'm already biased against KD but damn there isn't a player I hate more probably than Harden, that would be a really hard team to stomach. You're trying to recreate the 2021/2022 Brooklyn Nets except now it will work when they're 3-4 years older and more banged up? If they came for free I'd take a flyer, but actually making moves to assemble that team feels like what the Nets did to get Pierce/Garnett in 2014.


Bams shot attempts and usage didn’t plummet after the Terry acquisition to close out that season? Jimmy and Tyler haven’t had a higher usage rate (and more shot attempts in Tyler’s case) than Bam over the years? THATS some revisionist history and that’s due to what Spo wants. Considering Bosh was so much better scoring wise he definitely scored more and did it more efficiently than Bam since they got the same amount of shots and usage correct? Especially since he played with the likes of Wade and LeBron setting him up.

Jimmy and Bam were no doubt our best players, Bams still the best player but they didn’t pay Tyler $30M to only be a scorer and not prioritize him offensively while Jimmy/Bam take a step back because they can impact the game in far more areas than 1. You can say im making stuff up, I can say you dont understand schematics and Spos coaching where he has shown how he wants to use Bam and has even spoke about it in the media despite both Bam and Pat openly saying they want more shots for Bam.
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Post#823 » by VaDe255 » Sun May 4, 2025 11:09 pm

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VaDe255 wrote:I don't get it, why would anyone want to trade for Rozier.
Just because you can match contracts, doesn't mean a trade makes sense.

The Suns want to win now, they don't need Terry's dead money on their cap sheet and the Heat literally have no win now players to offer, besides maybe Wiggins if the Suns even want anything to do with that contract.

Besides Herro/Bam, there are only projects or bad contracts on this team, who don't really help win. The 20th pick in this draft isn't all that valueable and otherwise they can only offer picks way down the line.

I absolutely don't see it, even if they wanted to trade for someone, they don't have many assets to offer.

It’s possible for Rozier not to be involved. It’s also possible for Rozier to head to a team like Utah or the Wizards. Duncan’s contract is probably the contract they really want because it takes them out of the tax with 10 mil in savings. Duncan, Wiggins, Jovic, Pelle, 2025 and 2031 is the potential deal. Rozier and JJJ could be a secondary deal for someone like Marcus Smart that opens up extra cap savings to sign Mitchell.


This is how it roughly would look like:
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If that was the deal, I’d hate it. They’d have 9 players. Terry, Love, and Jaquez are mostly useless. They’d need to sign 5 more players, and that would also mean they can’t afford Davion.

The Terry money is the real problem no matter how you slice it. It’ll cost to dump him on someone. I’d rather just waive Duncan, see if someone bites on Jaquez and that would be enough to make space to re-sign Davion and bring in some min. vets.
Maybe an opportunity opens to dump Terry or get into another deal to move him but just paying assets to dump his ass isn’t it, especially when you’re a mid team.

I honestly don't see the KD thing happening, looks like they are almost forced to run it back with Davion. It's not the worst just another developmental year, while they fix their cap, duck the tax and hopefully improve their assets.
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Post#824 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun May 4, 2025 11:13 pm

I hate Harden but I’d love to see what he could do for Bam/Herro after seeing what he’s done for Powell/Zubac
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Post#825 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun May 4, 2025 11:38 pm

VaDe255 wrote:
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VaDe255 wrote:I don't get it, why would anyone want to trade for Rozier.
Just because you can match contracts, doesn't mean a trade makes sense.

The Suns want to win now, they don't need Terry's dead money on their cap sheet and the Heat literally have no win now players to offer, besides maybe Wiggins if the Suns even want anything to do with that contract.

Besides Herro/Bam, there are only projects or bad contracts on this team, who don't really help win. The 20th pick in this draft isn't all that valueable and otherwise they can only offer picks way down the line.

I absolutely don't see it, even if they wanted to trade for someone, they don't have many assets to offer.

It’s possible for Rozier not to be involved. It’s also possible for Rozier to head to a team like Utah or the Wizards. Duncan’s contract is probably the contract they really want because it takes them out of the tax with 10 mil in savings. Duncan, Wiggins, Jovic, Pelle, 2025 and 2031 is the potential deal. Rozier and JJJ could be a secondary deal for someone like Marcus Smart that opens up extra cap savings to sign Mitchell.


This is how it roughly would look like:
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If that was the deal, I’d hate it. They’d have 9 players. Terry, Love, and Jaquez are mostly useless. They’d need to sign 5 more players, and that would also mean they can’t afford Davion.

The Terry money is the real problem no matter how you slice it. It’ll cost to dump him on someone. I’d rather just waive Duncan, see if someone bites on Jaquez and that would be enough to make space to re-sign Davion and bring in some min. vets.
Maybe an opportunity opens to dump Terry or get into another deal to move him but just paying assets to dump his ass isn’t it, especially when you’re a mid team.

I honestly don't see the KD thing happening, looks like they are almost forced to run it back with Davion. It's not the worst just another developmental year, while they fix their cap, duck the tax and hopefully improve their assets.

I understand were you are coming from. Just think Riley is going to buy into the 2 year window with Durant and then retire. Sort of his last hurrah. BTW Rozier is expiring after 2025 and Kyle Anderson has a team option. That’s 35 million combined
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Post#826 » by jbsays » Sun May 4, 2025 11:52 pm

Bosh was 3rd option here because he played behind Lebron and Wade.
Bam has been a 3rd option because he is a 3rd option.
Bosh was miles better offensively than Bam.
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Post#827 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon May 5, 2025 12:11 am

jbsays wrote:Bosh was 3rd option here because he played behind Lebron and Wade.
Bam has been a 3rd option because he is a 3rd option.
Bosh was miles better offensively than Bam.


So surely if Bam and Bosh took the same amount of shots and had the same usage Bosh’s numbers would be much better correct?
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Post#828 » by oreon » Mon May 5, 2025 12:40 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I hate Harden but I’d love to see what he could do for Bam/Herro after seeing what he’s done for Powell/Zubac


Get them bounced out of the 1st round ? I don't think we need him for that lol

We need to get over these senior citizen nba stars. Lets target some young blood
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Post#829 » by carnageta » Mon May 5, 2025 12:41 am

All of this Bam vs Bosh talk is pointless lol.

What I do know is that Bam has demonstrated he can be a key piece to a championship roster, and arguably the 2nd best player on a contender.

Get KD here, and get some more quality depth, and don't be surprised if this is a 50 win team next season.
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Post#830 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon May 5, 2025 12:43 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I hate Harden but I’d love to see what he could do for Bam/Herro after seeing what he’s done for Powell/Zubac


Get them bounced out of the 1st round ? I don't think we need him for that lol

We need to get over these senior citizen nba stars. Lets target some young blood


Find me some young blood and I’m all for it, right now I’m focusing on the guys we can afford and KD/Harden fit the bill
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Post#831 » by jbsays » Mon May 5, 2025 12:47 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
jbsays wrote:Bosh was 3rd option here because he played behind Lebron and Wade.
Bam has been a 3rd option because he is a 3rd option.
Bosh was miles better offensively than Bam.


So surely if Bam and Bosh took the same amount of shots and had the same usage Bosh’s numbers would be much better correct?


I don't think they could take the same amount of shots because Bam doesn't have the offensive bag Bosh had. Heat are going to pay Bam his max, Heat didn't want a lottery pick this year, Bam has not played with any all time great players (Wade and Lebron)....In what world would it not benefit the Heat for Bam to #1 option and produce the offensive output Bosh had with the Raptors?

Bam is also not a chucker, which is a huge plus and credit to him. Sure he could up his PPG by taking bad shots and lowering his FG %, but that's not his style of play. As a player he is a benefit to any team, but offensively he's not as good as Bosh. Bosh only played for 13 seasons and made the Allstar team his last 11 years and made the basketball HOF. It wasn't because of his defense.
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Post#832 » by jbsays » Mon May 5, 2025 12:50 am

carnageta wrote:All of this Bam vs Bosh talk is pointless lol.

What I do know is that Bam has demonstrated he can be a key piece to a championship roster, and arguably the 2nd best player on a contender.

Get KD here, and get some more quality depth, and don't be surprised if this is a 50 win team next season.


Heat's season is over. It's fun to discuss past players vs. present players.

I'm onboard for KD. Harden is a no for me. One guy over 35 is enough. I don't like his style of play either and I take personal offense to anyone who says he is better than Wade. :lol:
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Post#833 » by wade44 » Mon May 5, 2025 12:51 am

VaDe255 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:I don't get it, why would anyone want to trade for Rozier.
Just because you can match contracts, doesn't mean a trade makes sense.

The Suns want to win now, they don't need Terry's dead money on their cap sheet and the Heat literally have no win now players to offer, besides maybe Wiggins if the Suns even want anything to do with that contract.

Besides Herro/Bam, there are only projects or bad contracts on this team, who don't really help win. The 20th pick in this draft isn't all that valueable and otherwise they can only offer picks way down the line.

I absolutely don't see it, even if they wanted to trade for someone, they don't have many assets to offer.

It’s possible for Rozier not to be involved. It’s also possible for Rozier to head to a team like Utah or the Wizards. Duncan’s contract is probably the contract they really want because it takes them out of the tax with 10 mil in savings. Duncan, Wiggins, Jovic, Pelle, 2025 and 2031 is the potential deal. Rozier and JJJ could be a secondary deal for someone like Marcus Smart that opens up extra cap savings to sign Mitchell.


This is how it roughly would look like:
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If that was the deal, I’d hate it. They’d have 9 players. Terry, Love, and Jaquez are mostly useless. They’d need to sign 5 more players, and that would also mean they can’t afford Davion.

The Terry money is the real problem no matter how you slice it. It’ll cost to dump him on someone. I’d rather just waive Duncan, see if someone bites on Jaquez and that would be enough to make space to re-sign Davion and bring in some min. vets.
Maybe an opportunity opens to dump Terry or get into another deal to move him but just paying assets to dump his ass isn’t it, especially when you’re a mid team.

I honestly don't see the KD thing happening, looks like they are almost forced to run it back with Davion. It's not the worst just another developmental year, while they fix their cap, duck the tax and hopefully improve their assets.


Sounds disastrous
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Post#834 » by oreon » Mon May 5, 2025 12:53 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
oreon wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I hate Harden but I’d love to see what he could do for Bam/Herro after seeing what he’s done for Powell/Zubac


Get them bounced out of the 1st round ? I don't think we need him for that lol

We need to get over these senior citizen nba stars. Lets target some young blood


Find me some young blood and I’m all for it, right now I’m focusing on the guys we can afford and KD/Harden fit the bill


To what end ? Give your remaining tradeable 1st round picks to get bounced in round 1 or at best round 2. That's a move to stay relevant and doesn't bring any closer to contention.
KD, Durant, Zion (injury risk too high), Kawhi would be pointless moves. Sure they make us better but not to contention. No moves is sometimes better than a bad one, like we learnt with Rozier.
If that is available in the summer is senior citizens who make a ton of money and costs us future picks either blow it up or run it back. I'd rather they run it back than a KD move. Save your assets , develop your young players and wait for somebody younger to become available who gives you a longer window to contend.
A KD, Harden, Kawhi or Zion move would be the worst thing they could do. Its screams of desperation
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Post#835 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon May 5, 2025 12:55 am

oreon wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
oreon wrote:
Get them bounced out of the 1st round ? I don't think we need him for that lol

We need to get over these senior citizen nba stars. Lets target some young blood


Find me some young blood and I’m all for it, right now I’m focusing on the guys we can afford and KD/Harden fit the bill


To what end ? Give your remaining tradeable 1st round picks to get bounced in round 1 or at best round 2. That's a move to stay relevant and doesn't bring any closer to contention.
KD, Durant, Zion (injury risk too high), Kawhi would be pointless moves. Sure they make us better but not to contention. No moves is sometimes better than a bad one, like we learnt with Rozier.
If that is available in the summer is senior citizens who make a ton of money and costs us future picks either blow it up or run it back. I'd rather they run it back than a KD move. Save your assets , develop your young players and wait for somebody younger to become available who gives you a longer window to contend.
A KD, Harden, Kawhi or Zion move would be the worst thing they could do. Its screams of desperation


We contended with Bam/Jimmy and a bunch of bums. I’ll take my chances
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Post#836 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon May 5, 2025 12:56 am

jbsays wrote:
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jbsays wrote:Bosh was 3rd option here because he played behind Lebron and Wade.
Bam has been a 3rd option because he is a 3rd option.
Bosh was miles better offensively than Bam.


So surely if Bam and Bosh took the same amount of shots and had the same usage Bosh’s numbers would be much better correct?


I don't think they could take the same amount of shots because Bam doesn't have the offensive bag Bosh had. Heat are going to pay Bam his max, Heat didn't want a lottery pick this year, Bam has not played with any all time great players (Wade and Lebron)....In what world would it not benefit the Heat for Bam to #1 option and produce the offensive output Bosh had with the Raptors?

Bam is also not a chucker, which is a huge plus and credit to him. Sure he could up his PPG by taking bad shots and lowering his FG %, but that's not his style of play. As a player he is a benefit to any team, but offensively he's not as good as Bosh. Bosh only played for 13 seasons and made the Allstar team his last 11 years and made the basketball HOF. It wasn't because of his defense.


That’s kind of what I’m getting at though, big 3 Bosh took as many shots as Bam and had the same usage but put up worse numbers.

We can agree to disagree though, let’s focus on blockbuster deals en route when The Godfather reminds everyone why he’s the goat
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Post#837 » by ZoStrong » Mon May 5, 2025 1:15 am

jbsays wrote:Bosh was 3rd option here because he played behind Lebron and Wade.
Bam has been a 3rd option because he is a 3rd option.
Bosh was miles better offensively than Bam.



Bosh was a clear #1 on what essentially was a play-in team that was his Toronto teams. And a clear #1 on his college team as well. Bam was neither on this play-in team or his college.

But, ofc, Bam is the greatest player ever to play the game if you really know anything about the basketball. He's just doing what he's told to do, that's all. You gotta blame coaches n his teammates for his failings.

So, this off-season is our love affair w another nursing home player. After Kyrie, Dame, now it's KD n Harden. Damm, I know people go to Florida to retire, but our team gotta turn into a nursing home too, lol
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Post#838 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon May 5, 2025 1:19 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
oreon wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Find me some young blood and I’m all for it, right now I’m focusing on the guys we can afford and KD/Harden fit the bill


To what end ? Give your remaining tradeable 1st round picks to get bounced in round 1 or at best round 2. That's a move to stay relevant and doesn't bring any closer to contention.
KD, Durant, Zion (injury risk too high), Kawhi would be pointless moves. Sure they make us better but not to contention. No moves is sometimes better than a bad one, like we learnt with Rozier.
If that is available in the summer is senior citizens who make a ton of money and costs us future picks either blow it up or run it back. I'd rather they run it back than a KD move. Save your assets , develop your young players and wait for somebody younger to become available who gives you a longer window to contend.
A KD, Harden, Kawhi or Zion move would be the worst thing they could do. Its screams of desperation


We contended with Bam/Jimmy and a bunch of bums. I’ll take my chances

Durant’s wisdom should be great for whatever young players that are here. We are guaranteed a 2026 pick and lottery protected 2027 or 2028. We will still have an influx of young talent even while cashing in on JJJ and soon to be needing a new contract Jovic. Does it really matter if we trade the 20th pick and 2031 which is 6 years away for Durant?
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Post#839 » by marson » Mon May 5, 2025 1:20 am

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jbsays wrote:Bosh was 3rd option here because he played behind Lebron and Wade.
Bam has been a 3rd option because he is a 3rd option.
Bosh was miles better offensively than Bam.



Bosh was a clear #1 on what essentially was a play-in team that was his Toronto teams. And a clear #1 on his college team as well. Bam was neither on this play-in team or his college.

But, ofc, Bam is the greatest player ever to play the game if you really know anything about the basketball. He's just doing what he's told to do, that's all. You gotta blame coaches n his teammates for his failings.

So, this off-season is our love affair w another nursing home player. After Kyrie, Dame, now it's KD n Harden. Damm, I know people go to Florida to retire, but our team gotta turn into a nursing home too, lol


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Post#840 » by unowen85 » Mon May 5, 2025 1:44 am

Might be time for a new Bosh vs. Bam poll.
For a long time it gave me nightmares,witnessing an injustice like that.It’s a constant reminder of just how unfair this world can be.I can still hear them taunting him, Silly Rabbit tricks are for kids.I mean why couldn’t they just give him some cereal?

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