Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Cole could be further along if we put more stock in talented youth. So it's going to be extremely important that we use our new D-League venture to develop the young talent that we value.

Disagree. Cole has developed as well as you could possibly imagine a rookie pg coming off the bench. He's gotten significant minutes his first two years i dont know what more you could ask

Although Cole has gotten waaaaaay more run than any young player during the Heat's Championship runs outside of Dwyane Wade he could've stolen a lot more minutes from Chalmers. He could be a much better passer/playmaker IMO.

[BBallFreak]

Cole could be further along if we put more stock in talented youth. So it's going to be extremely important that we use our new D-League venture to develop the young talent that we value.

Disagree. Cole has developed as well as you could possibly imagine a rookie pg coming off the bench. He's gotten significant minutes his first two years i dont know what more you could ask

Although Cole has gotten waaaaaay more run than any young player during the Heat's Championship runs outside of Dwyane Wade he could've stolen a lot more minutes from Chalmers. He could be a much better passer/playmaker IMO.

Did you forget Udonis Haslem and Mario Chalmers, both of whom averaged more minutes than Cole when they were young? Haslem was in his second year when he became a starter next to Shaq, and Rio was in his third season when the Big 3 came together. They haven't had issues getting minutes...

[GameTime_3]

If Ron Artest wasn't crazy, I would consider him as a backup PF but he is and I wouldn't risk the lockerroom for that guy.

This off-season is about finding a young player to step up next year and a BIG. NEXT SEASON IS SCARY!

Ray Allen: Possible retirment
Shane Battier: Possible retirment
MM/Joel: Amnesty possiblity
Mario: Free Agent
Cole: Restricted FA
Bosh/Bron/Wade: Opt out clause

Even If BIG 3 return, 3 of our key role players could be moving or retiring.

I'm definitely feeling u on the crazy factor and I'm totally on board with u about needing to get younger! The thing about Miami though is u already know we won't play a young guy ahead of a vet. Cole could be further along if we put more stock in talented youth. So it's going to be extremely important that we use our new D-League venture to develop the young talent that we value. Point guard, shooting guard and Center are all major needs moving forward. I think Pat knows that fully, which is why I believe that we have two SL teams this year.

I still see the Heat reserving their open spots for vets like Odom, Artest & Dalembert first and foremost for this season. I think it's championship or bust for this season just like last season.

Listening to Shane Battier speak, it sounds like unless we win again, the dude is retiring. He said, his ability is there but his heart to get up every day is leaving. Sounds like a guy who is ready to walk away. This is another reason why you can't amnesty MM as he is our backup encase Ray, Shane leave next year.

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Although Cole has gotten waaaaaay more run than any young player during the Heat's Championship runs outside of Dwyane Wade he could've stolen a lot more minutes from Chalmers. He could be a much better passer/playmaker IMO.

Did you forget Udonis Haslem and Mario Chalmers, both of whom averaged more minutes than Cole when they were young? Haslem was in his second year when he became a starter next to Shaq, and Rio was in his third season when the Big 3 came together. They haven't had issues getting minutes...

Mario would be considered a vet by his 3rd season and he had his spot taken by Arroyo and Bibby in '10-'11. Haslem played over seas first and still wasn't young in the respect we'll need to get guys. Now if you're saying the Heat will be getting young vets in, then that's different. But the way the Heat play young guys they actually draft is normally along the lines of not all during their Championship runs.

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Listening to Shane Battier speak, it sounds like unless we win again, the dude is retiring. He said, his ability is there but his heart to get up every day is leaving. Sounds like a guy who is ready to walk away. This is another reason why you can't amnesty MM as he is our backup encase Ray, Shane leave next year.

And that's probably the case for most vets. With the Big 3 eating up most the cap Riley is going to have to rely on a market of ever growing free agents that are sitting home. I just looked at Ira's latest list of unaffiliated free agents and there were more than a few guys I would to have off that list. There's a young fella named Trey Thompkins who would be an excellent stretch 4 for us moving forward. The man can really shoot for his size.

[BBallFreak]

Although Cole has gotten waaaaaay more run than any young player during the Heat's Championship runs outside of Dwyane Wade he could've stolen a lot more minutes from Chalmers. He could be a much better passer/playmaker IMO.

Did you forget Udonis Haslem and Mario Chalmers, both of whom averaged more minutes than Cole when they were young? Haslem was in his second year when he became a starter next to Shaq, and Rio was in his third season when the Big 3 came together. They haven't had issues getting minutes...

Mario would be considered a vet by his 3rd season

Why? What's the difference between his second season and his third? How do you go from being young to a vet just like that? Doesn't make sense.

and he had his spot taken by Arroyo and Bibby in '10-'11.

How about his minutes? Still got more burn than Norris Cole.

Haslem played over seas first and still wasn't young in the respect we'll need to get guys.

He was 23 when he came to Miami. How much younger are you looking for?

Now if you're saying the Heat will be getting young vets in, then that's different.

Young vets don't come for what we have to offer. They're still looking to make the money. Older guys want rings. They take what championship teams offer. It's a legacy thing. They also tend to be a bit smarter and more willing to defer than younger guys. That's why championship teams go for them, as well.

But the way the Heat play young guys they actually draft is normally along the lines of not all during their Championship runs.

So? Young guys don't win championships. Would Daequan Cook have hit that triple against the Spurs in game 6? Hell no! Would Dexter Pittman have made the impact that Birdman made? You must be joking!

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Why? What's the difference between his second season and his third? How do you go from being young to a vet just like that? Doesn't make sense.
How about his minutes? Still got more burn than Norris
He was 23 when he came to Miami. How much younger are you looking for?
Young vets don't come for what we have to offer. They're still looking to make the money. Older guys want rings. They take what championship teams offer. It's a legacy thing. They also tend to be a bit smarter and more willing to defer than younger guys. That's why championship teams go for them, as well.
So? Young guys don't win championships. Would Daequan Cook have hit that triple against the Spurs in game 6? Hell no! Would Dexter Pittman have made the impact that Birdman made? You must be joking!

What's the difference???? Do you think Chalmers would've gotten anywhere near the court if he was a rookie during the Big 3 era??? Chalmers, like Haslem, was able to show his worth in seasons that weren't part of Championship runs.

As far as Cole's minutes compared to Chalmers.... That's my point EXACTLY!!!! Cole is a way better all around player than Chalmers was at the same age. One guy was rookie and second year player who had his minutes cut even further with the addition of Ray Allen and the other guy was a third year player being given an equal shot with a guy off the streets that took his spot!!!

Haslem was a four year starter and went over seas four a year before he came to the Heat. And again he played before the Heat were in their Championship chase.

Again you're making my point. The Heat wont be getting any young vets, because the Big 3 will be eating up most of the cap! The only young guys we'll be getting will either be very low 1st rounders, 2nd rounders or undrafted rookies! Now how many of these guys will crack the Heats rotations??? None, zero ziltch!!! Norris got the burn he got because the Heat purposely went out to get a young athletic pg in the draft! How often has that ever been their plan with a Championship team??? Never right? So WTF are you talking about again?

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Why? What's the difference between his second season and his third? How do you go from being young to a vet just like that? Doesn't make sense.
How about his minutes? Still got more burn than Norris
He was 23 when he came to Miami. How much younger are you looking for?
Young vets don't come for what we have to offer. They're still looking to make the money. Older guys want rings. They take what championship teams offer. It's a legacy thing. They also tend to be a bit smarter and more willing to defer than younger guys. That's why championship teams go for them, as well.
So? Young guys don't win championships. Would Daequan Cook have hit that triple against the Spurs in game 6? Hell no! Would Dexter Pittman have made the impact that Birdman made? You must be joking!

What's the difference???? Do you think Chalmers would've gotten anywhere near the court if he was a rookie during the Big 3 era??? Chalmers, like Haslem, was able to show his worth in seasons that weren't part of Championship runs.

As far as Cole's minutes compared to Chalmers.... That's my point EXACTLY!!!! Cole is a way better all around player than Chalmers was at the same age. One guy was rookie and second year player who had his minutes cut even further with the addition of Ray Allen and the other guy was a third year player being given an equal shot with a guy off the streets that took his spot!!!

Haslem was a four year starter and went over seas four a year before he came to the Heat. And again he played before the Heat were in their Championship chase.

Again you're making my point. The Heat wont be getting any young vets, because the Big 3 will be eating up most of the cap! The only young guys we'll be getting will either be very low 1st rounders, 2nd rounders or undrafted rookies! Now how many of these guys will crack the Heats rotations??? None, zero ziltch!!! Norris got the burn he got because the Heat purposely went out to get a young athletic pg in the draft! How often has that ever been their plan with a Championship team??? Never right? So WTF are you talking about again?

The reason Cole got alot of minutes is the Heats lack of point guards don't get me wrong he plays well but Chalmers is better, Chalmers should have started vs Dallas

[SWadeUP]

Whats this obssession for youth?

Youth dosent win championships.

The Heat will get savvy Vets ever year that the Big three is here. NO need to force a rebuild with young inexperianced players.

The Heats avg age is 31 1/2.... Thats not old at all.

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Why? What's the difference between his second season and his third? How do you go from being young to a vet just like that? Doesn't make sense.
How about his minutes? Still got more burn than Norris
He was 23 when he came to Miami. How much younger are you looking for?
Young vets don't come for what we have to offer. They're still looking to make the money. Older guys want rings. They take what championship teams offer. It's a legacy thing. They also tend to be a bit smarter and more willing to defer than younger guys. That's why championship teams go for them, as well.
So? Young guys don't win championships. Would Daequan Cook have hit that triple against the Spurs in game 6? Hell no! Would Dexter Pittman have made the impact that Birdman made? You must be joking!

What's the difference???? Do you think Chalmers would've gotten anywhere near the court if he was a rookie during the Big 3 era??? Chalmers, like Haslem, was able to show his worth in seasons that weren't part of Championship runs.

As far as Cole's minutes compared to Chalmers.... That's my point EXACTLY!!!! Cole is a way better all around player than Chalmers was at the same age. One guy was rookie and second year player who had his minutes cut even further with the addition of Ray Allen and the other guy was a third year player being given an equal shot with a guy off the streets that took his spot!!!

Haslem was a four year starter and went over seas four a year before he came to the Heat. And again he played before the Heat were in their Championship chase.

Again you're making my point. The Heat wont be getting any young vets, because the Big 3 will be eating up most of the cap! The only young guys we'll be getting will either be very low 1st rounders, 2nd rounders or undrafted rookies! Now how many of these guys will crack the Heats rotations??? None, zero ziltch!!! Norris got the burn he got because the Heat purposely went out to get a young athletic pg in the draft! How often has that ever been their plan with a Championship team??? Never right? So WTF are you talking about again?

The reason Cole got alot of minutes is the Heats lack of point guards don't get me wrong he plays well but Chalmers is better, Chalmers should have started vs Dallas

The Heat have had a lack of PG's for years which is why Chalmers has played major minutes in his career thus far. Chalmers has never been a point guard at any point of his career and only looks good when he's scoring the ball.

But you're right about him in the Dallas series, and it only happened because the Heat will always play the vet over the young guy regardless of production. It's the Heat way of thinking in Championship situations.

[SlowPaced]

Whats this obssession for youth?

Youth dosent win championships.

The Heat will get savvy Vets ever year that the Big three is here. NO need to force a rebuild with young inexperianced players.

The Heats avg age is 31 1/2.... Thats not old at all.

We're not forcing a rebuild. We're not saying put James Ennis in the starting lineup or put Ian Clark in instead of Chalmers. Having young guns off the bench is always good. Norris Cole has been great with his energy off the bench in his first two seasons.

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[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Thank God that's finally handled!!! I was starting to get worried...

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[BBallFreak]

and it only happened because the Heat will always play the vet over the young guy regardless of production. It's the Heat way of thinking in Championship situations.

And it works. Seriously, it works. Can you really look at a team that's been to the Finals three consecutive years, won back to back, and think, "damn, they're screwing the pooch."

Come on!

We're coming off back to back championships. For that to happen, things have to go right. You have to have the right mix. Younger guys tend to want to get there's in terms of money, playing time, and stats. I'm all for them if they're right for what we're doing. That's why guys like Haslem and Chalmers and Wade have worked here. They've fit. They've done what's needed, be it dirty work, sublimating their game, or being the star that carries the team to a ring. They fit.

A lot of these young vets you taut as being so valuable don't want to come here and sit behind guys like Haslem, Battier, and Allen. They want to get there's. That's fine. They're more than welcome to. But they're not going to get that here. Miami needs smart, cheap players who want rings. That means vets. Sorry, but it does. Guys like Trey Thompkins are still out there because they're not good enough yet. We can't afford to bring on guys who aren't good enough yet.

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

and it only happened because the Heat will always play the vet over the young guy regardless of production. It's the Heat way of thinking in Championship situations.

And it works. Seriously, it works. Can you really look at a team that's been to the Finals three consecutive years, won back to back, and think, "damn, they're screwing the pooch."

Come on!

We're coming off back to back championships. For that to happen, things have to go right. You have to have the right mix. Younger guys tend to want to get there's in terms of money, playing time, and stats. I'm all for them if they're right for what we're doing. That's why guys like Haslem and Chalmers and Wade have worked here. They've fit. They've done what's needed, be it dirty work, sublimating their game, or being the star that carries the team to a ring. They fit.

A lot of these young vets you taut as being so valuable don't want to come here and sit behind guys like Haslem, Battier, and Allen. They want to get there's. That's fine. They're more than welcome to. But they're not going to get that here. Miami needs smart, cheap players who want rings. That means vets. Sorry, but it does. Guys like Trey Thompkins are still out there because they're not good enough yet. We can't afford to bring on guys who aren't good enough yet.

I know it works. Try reading through the thread before you make assupmtions. But being too old will also have us looking like the 2006-2007 Heat. Sometimes you need to add some youth to mix things up, especially as Wade's legs seem to be losing it's bounce.

You just really wanted to talk about Haslem. It's cool... I can see through you though. And the guys I've mentioned as young choices would be more than happy to just be on this roster and develop their games. I'm not sure who you've seen that I've mentioned that would be in position to demand anything.

[DefenseWins]

Was getting worried about Birdman, but he's here to try and get that 3peat.

Our record with him is ridiculous....

[aquaadverse]

and it only happened because the Heat will always play the vet over the young guy regardless of production. It's the Heat way of thinking in Championship situations.

And it works. Seriously, it works. Can you really look at a team that's been to the Finals three consecutive years, won back to back, and think, "damn, they're screwing the pooch."

Come on!

We're coming off back to back championships. For that to happen, things have to go right. You have to have the right mix. Younger guys tend to want to get there's in terms of money, playing time, and stats. I'm all for them if they're right for what we're doing. That's why guys like Haslem and Chalmers and Wade have worked here. They've fit. They've done what's needed, be it dirty work, sublimating their game, or being the star that carries the team to a ring. They fit.

A lot of these young vets you taut as being so valuable don't want to come here and sit behind guys like Haslem, Battier, and Allen. They want to get there's. That's fine. They're more than welcome to. But they're not going to get that here. Miami needs smart, cheap players who want rings. That means vets. Sorry, but it does. Guys like Trey Thompkins are still out there because they're not good enough yet. We can't afford to bring on guys who aren't good enough yet.

I know it works. Try reading through the thread before you make assupmtions. But being too old will also have us looking like the 2006-2007 Heat. Sometimes you need to add some youth to mix things up, especially as Wade's legs seem to be losing it's bounce.

You just really wanted to talk about Haslem. It's cool... I can see through you though. And the guys I've mentioned as young choices would be more than happy to just be on this roster and develop their games. I'm not sure who you've seen that I've mentioned that would be in position to demand anything.

Too old is a rather slippery concept. Unless a guy can fill a need, he won't get playing time. JJ Barrea blows by the corpse of Mike Bibby and you get Norris Cole. Young players won't "developed their games" because they won't see any court time. They need to go to the the D League or Europe or Asia to see court time and develop.