Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

[Cmon_Son-_-]

So who are we getting with this #18 pick? We clearly need a PG or a PF/C.

Start sending Portland's front office Derrick lively Jr highlights

[miamiballer]

I'd say getting the maximum amount of money (he could have only get the supermax last year only in Washington and a NTC) he could get and picking the team he goes to after getting a supermax makes him a winner in life and a great chance to still win while just being 30 years old next season.

Even the lowliest jabroni player is making a good living in the NBA. They are all winners at life. We could make a whole team of winners at life and be in the lottery every year. What’s it to us as fans? The Suns are built bad. They won’t win anything and might get blown up in a year or two when the bill gets too high.

Here's a more depressing thought, Miami going after... LaVine and actually having to give up real assets for a worse player than Beal.

Eww Lavine do not want

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I would suspect, based on the tweets that came out..... the wizards tried to work with Miami to put in some draft capital and offered to take on Duncan's contract if Miami would toss in a draft pick.

Miami was holding on to those draft picks for a reason.....

Dude..... that Barry guy might have been right....maybe the plan WAS Beal AND Dame.....


Why the heck else would Miami not put in a draft pick.......

If you have an opportunity to move Duncan's contract off the books and you pass it up because of draft capital...something else...something big....must be in the works.

That's a terrible pipe dream anyway. We need a Power forward. And how would we even handle both Dame + Beal contracts?

We only need 1 of Dame or Beal, and then upgrade our 4 position and we are golden

I highly doubt Pat's plan was both of them

[AirP.]

so... can someone put me in charge of making trades for the Heat?

because Pat seems to have gotten amnesia in his old age.

You CANNOT let negotiations drag on. Don't lowball. Get it done quick, as cheaply as you can, but not if it means it drags the negotiations.


If you let it drag along, then other teams start to think about it and "warm up" to the idea and then get involved.


Remember when the Lakers got Pau Gasol? Nobody was even given a chance to bid. It was an overnight trade, Lakers did what they had to do and boom, got it done quickly. The next morning, the league was in aftermath shock, wondering why nobody was informed so they could offer too.

There was a laker legend that was in that Memphis front office....ijs.

I'm just saying, the Dame talks better not be more of the same **** from Pat. Otherwise, send Pat home and have someone else do the negotiations.

If we drag on for DAYS, haggling over some stupid pick or some role player, then we will see the same thing play out.

I'd like to hear what Pat refused to include in the trade for Beal. It better not be something stupid like the #18 pick.

When Dame was asked about which team he would want to go to, he was only given 4 options, so he may have other teams he would want to go to. The Heat was just the obvious answer to Dame from those 4 teams.

I thought Miami had a much better chance getting Beal than Lillard this summer, Miami may end up with LaVine or someone like Rozier. The proven volume vet scorer was there probably for the taking if they didn't lean on leverage as much as they do and dragged out the negotiations.

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[RexBoyWonder]

I'm worried about this place if we don't land Lillard lol

We're not getting lilard and i'm 1 more "running it back" form going apechit/detaching

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The on court product of Dame/Bam/Jimmy will be beautiful, have faith in The Godfather!

[VaDe255]

Yeah beal prob would have been ok with Miami but at the end used his ntc to go to phx

Which is funny because I think it’s exciting to get a shiny new toy but I think we may have dodged a bullet. Guy is a top 5 paid player in the league with a mtc, has never won anything, doesn’t play defense or playmake, and is injured A LOT and his scoring is way down the past 2 seasons

I think for the money and the assets we might be better off without getting him and using our assets for dame OR a starting pf

Where do you get all this copium from?
Beal would have put the Heat over Boston/Milwaukee, now they'll just sign some role players and run it back with slightly better Bam and older Jimmy. This time they'll lose in the PLAYIN.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

liked what better ? They got nothing. CP3 contract had to be 25 mil guaranteed so they not even getting back cap relief. Heat just needed to include one pick to beat any Suns offer.

That should tell you what type of offer we had on the table.

That really tells us nothing. That NTC is all you need to know about. He chose to be part of a super team rather than part of a real team...

As long as he was willing to waive it for either team means we had no leverage. Wash took the best offer that was on the table. Just because we could've beat it doesn't mean it was actually on the table.

[dshearn]

I would suspect, based on the tweets that came out..... the wizards tried to work with Miami to put in some draft capital and offered to take on Duncan's contract if Miami would toss in a draft pick.

Miami was holding on to those draft picks for a reason.....

Dude..... that Barry guy might have been right....maybe the plan WAS Beal AND Dame.....


Why the heck else would Miami not put in a draft pick.......

If you have an opportunity to move Duncan's contract off the books and you pass it up because of draft capital...something else...something big....must be in the works.

That's a terrible pipe dream anyway. We need a Power forward. And how would we even handle both Dame + Beal contracts?

We only need 1 of Dame or Beal, and then upgrade our 4 position and we are golden

I highly doubt Pat's plan was both of them

Whatever Pat's plan is he needs all the draft picks for it.....

[miamiballer]

Yeah beal prob would have been ok with Miami but at the end used his ntc to go to phx

Which is funny because I think it’s exciting to get a shiny new toy but I think we may have dodged a bullet. Guy is a top 5 paid player in the league with a mtc, has never won anything, doesn’t play defense or playmake, and is injured A LOT and his scoring is way down the past 2 seasons

I think for the money and the assets we might be better off without getting him and using our assets for dame OR a starting pf

Where do you get all this copium from?
Beal would have put the Heat over Boston/Milwaukee, now they'll just sign some role players and run it back with slightly better Bam and older Jimmy. This time they'll lose in the PLAYIN.

Beal from 3 years ago no doubt but he’s now Oft injured with down production, I just don’t see the big upgrade over herro now esp when you factor in age and salary and injury history

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dame seems like another pipe dream just like Durant last year. Blazers have zero need for Herro and we are right back to square one of needing someone to eat these contracts in a 3 teamer. Tough scene tbh. Teams looking to burn it down are most likely not looking to add Herro at his price tag and neither the long term money of Robinson. We can’t just do a dump deal with Lowry and Oladipo because the tax bill will be to the moon adding all the impending guaranteed salary next year. Our team essentially needs Lowry to just expire next year.

[Rapaz]

so... can someone put me in charge of making trades for the Heat?

because Pat seems to have gotten amnesia in his old age.

You CANNOT let negotiations drag on. Don't lowball. Get it done quick, as cheaply as you can, but not if it means it drags the negotiations.


If you let it drag along, then other teams start to think about it and "warm up" to the idea and then get involved.


Remember when the Lakers got Pau Gasol? Nobody was even given a chance to bid. It was an overnight trade, Lakers did what they had to do and boom, got it done quickly. The next morning, the league was in aftermath shock, wondering why nobody was informed so they could offer too.

There was a laker legend that was in that Memphis front office....ijs.

Garnett to the Celtics thanks to TWolves GM Kevin McHale.

Shaq to the Heat in part because of Pat’s deep ties to the Lakers.

Posey and White Chocolate to the Heat because Jerry West ran the Memphis Grizzlies.

Harkless to the Clippers to salvage the Jimmy sign-and-trade thanks again to Jerry West.

Beal to the Suns because his agent’s son runs their front office.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm worried about this place if we don't land Lillard lol

We’ll then we’re screwed, in case you forgot Nightwatch “has spoken”

[Beenie]

I'd say getting the maximum amount of money (he could have only get the supermax last year only in Washington and a NTC) he could get and picking the team he goes to after getting a supermax makes him a winner in life and a great chance to still win while just being 30 years old next season.

Even the lowliest jabroni player is making a good living in the NBA. They are all winners at life. We could make a whole team of winners at life and be in the lottery every year. What’s it to us as fans? The Suns are built bad. They won’t win anything and might get blown up in a year or two when the bill gets too high.

Here's a more depressing thought, Miami going after... LaVine and actually having to give up real assets for a worse player than Beal.

Lavine would provide much needed athleticism. He’s also the better defender.

What if Derozen could be had at a reasonable price, thoughts?

[RexBoyWonder]

That should tell you what type of offer we had on the table.

That really tells us nothing. That NTC is all you need to know about. He chose to be part of a super team rather than part of a real team...

As long as he was willing to waive it for either team means we had no leverage. Wash took the best offer that was on the table. Just because we could've beat it doesn't mean it was actually on the table.

WE couldn't beat EXPIRING AND SECONED ROUND PICKS?!?

WE HAVE EXPIRING AND A BUNCH OF FIRST ROUND PICKS!!!

[AirP.]

Here's the real kicker about not offering much for Beal and probably not getting Lillard, Mickey said he'd pay the tax for a star and that didn't include Butler in the star category, it's quite possible being frugal about this trade means Miami may have to sell off some pieces to just get under the tax. If I'm the owner, I'm not paying the tax with this FO overpaying players and not coming through when stars who actually want to be in Miami and are actually available but don't get them because they refused to give up an extra asset here or there.

[dean456]

Once PHX realize teams need to play defense to win anything KD will be like 37yo and Beal's NTC will kill their trade options. Good luck to them.

[Spacely]

So who are we getting with this #18 pick? We clearly need a PG or a PF/C.

Start sending Portland's front office Derrick lively Jr highlights

We aren’t getting Lillard so sounds pretty pointless.

[Rapaz]

Once PHX realize teams need to play defense to win anything KD will be like 37yo and Beal's NTC will kill their trade options. Good luck to them.

When will we realize we need to play some offense?

[Spacely]

At this point we better pray bam and herro take another leap in skill or we are phucked