The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

CoolD · Post #841 » by **CoolD** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:55 am

Hoops23 wrote:
I can't see Cuban trading Dirk, they are really really close -- I think he'd fire the coaches and trade all 14 other players on the roster first.

cant see Cuban trading Dirk,The guy is a Star. Cuban is much Smarter then most give him credit for. But if by some crazy way it happend i would say we would be back.
I can't see Pat Riley (a coach who loves and admits about his preference for a low post player) trading for the soft Dirk and taking the contract of Terry. Dirk is the MVP last season but between him and Brand, Riley will opt for Brand.

I would take Dirk over Brand in a heartbeat. For one everyone here is overrating Brand, the guy has had only one spectacular year, every other year has been good, but not to overrate him like the Heat board does and has a hard on for him beyond believe. Dirk as much hate as he gets is simply a better player than Brand. The guy is not soft, the guy came from being injured, a injury Wade would of sat out, and came back to save the team from not making the Playoffs.

Dirk has been consistently in the Playoffs. Brand had a one year that he was phenomenal in his career. And add to the fact, Brand has come off a injury, just wouldn't make sense, to take Brand over Dirk.

Even if Brand didn't come of a serious injury, Dirk over Brand any day.

Dirk's softness didn't stop the Mavs one year getting to the Finals, and almost beating us for a title, and winning 65 games the next year .

Brand as much as people overrate him, has only played in 12 playoff games in his career.

As much as people hate on Dirk, has played in 84 playoffs games in his career.

Post #842 » by **Lane1974** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:47 pm

the reason Heat fans like Brand is a) he is seemingly attainable, b) he once tried to sign here and c) is a scoring post presence who blocks shots and rebounds.

Dirk is certainly not attainable, and I have no idea why you're bringing Wades toughness into this. Its a nonsequitur. Also, Remember in 05 he took numbing shots in his ribs so he could play and ended up injuring himself so he was out for 6 weeks since the season ended when we lost to the Pistons.

Flash4thewin · Post #843 » by **Flash4thewin** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:06 pm

You cant fault Brand for only having 12 playoff carrier games, look at the teams he's been on. By that same logic KG was one of the most over rated players until he was traded to a contender, hence the flaw. Brad and Cassell got the clippers into the playoffs, that has to count for something. Between Brand and Dirk you take Dirk in a heart beat. The major theme here is that this team needs a major talent upgrade.

FlaStGrad · Post #844 » by **FlaStGrad** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:24 pm

I personally don't want either... especially if we get Beasley. Each player has question marks (Brand-injury, Dirk-puss, Beasley-transition to NBA), but Beasley has the most upside at this point. Pair that with the fact he will cost much less then the other 2 and we wouldn't have to get rid of Marion to acquire him.

I would rather take Beasley and keep him with Marion and Wade for a year and see what develops. If he is as good at the PF as we hope, then we have the option to keep Marion on a resigned deal at SF. If he takes longer to develop, we have Marion's deal expiring and we go out and get help.

CoolD · Post #845 » by **CoolD** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:31 pm

I acutally think K.G is a bigger puss than Dirk, I've seen K.G get pimp slapped by players, and just mean mug and not do a damn thing. I've seen K.G choke worst than any other player year after year in Minnessota, but the media's darling always gets an excuse. I wanna see how Boston reacts to a good team.

But don't count out K.G choking.

HeatSince88 · Post #846 » by **HeatSince88** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:59 pm

FlaStGrad wrote:I personally don't want either... especially if we get Beasley. Each player has question marks (Brand-injury, Dirk-puss, Beasley-transition to NBA), but Beasley has the most upside at this point. Pair that with the fact he will cost much less then the other 2 and we wouldn't have to get rid of Marion to acquire him.

I would rather take Beasley and keep him with Marion and Wade for a year and see what develops. If he is as good at the PF as we hope, then we have the option to keep Marion on a resigned deal at SF. If he takes longer to develop, we have Marion's deal expiring and we go out and get help.

"Upside" just means you haven't proven anything.

By the time Beasley hits his prime, Marion will be 37 and Wade will be 34 (and feel like he's 53). Thus the logic of getting someone who can put us in contention now while Wade can still walk, not in 2012 or 2015 when he's a distant memory.

BTW, Dirk is a pipe dream. That has zero chance of happening. Brand probably won't happen either, but at least there are realistic reasons to believe it can.

Flash4thewin · Post #847 » by **Flash4thewin** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:38 pm

If Beasley is the pick Marion and UD become expendable. I'd try to keep UD to bring him off the bench at pf and as our enforcer but still trade him for a pg/c. Marion for the past few year has played pf almost exclusively and since he has slowed down and cant create his own shot is not a good fit at sf.

Heat3 · Post #848 » by **Heat3** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:54 am

I support trading our #1 for Tony Parker.

FlaStGrad · Post #849 » by **FlaStGrad** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:39 am

HeatSince88 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

"Upside" just means you haven't proven anything.

By the time Beasley hits his prime, Marion will be 37 and Wade will be 34 (and feel like he's 53). Thus the logic of getting someone who can put us in contention now while Wade can still walk, not in 2012 or 2015 when he's a distant memory.

BTW, Dirk is a pipe dream. That has zero chance of happening. Brand probably won't happen either, but at least there are realistic reasons to believe it can.

7 years for Beasley to hit his prime, huh? I'd take that bet every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Yes it will take him a season or two to get adjusted to the NBA, but we wouldn't be counting on him to be "the man!" That is Wade's job. And how long did it take Wade to hit his prime? If it is 7 yrs then we must all be still waiting for the NBA Finals MVP to hit his stride.

Beasley can easily come in and avg 16/8 for the Heat sharing time with UD and Marion. We have no one other than Wade to score. He will be given every chance to aclimate his game.

But all of this is moot if we don't get the #1 pick.

CoolD · Post #850 » by **CoolD** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:48 am

A thought cross my head. If D'Antoni happened to get fired, the Heat should hire him as an assistant coach. It would be good to have Pat Riley running the defense, D'Antoni having alot of input in the offense. Especially if we had Rose, Wade, Marion.

I think D'Antoni is freaking genius for making people believe Shaq was still relevant and they had a shot at the title. His weakness the guy has no idea about defense. So if this was football, is like hiring an offensive specialist.

SmushedPennies · Post #851 » by **SmushedPennies** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:50 am

I dont see D'Antoni not becoming a head coach somewhere else if he were to get fired.

Post #852 » by **Lane1974** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:04 pm

he won't be fired
that team is based on his system

SmushedPennies · Post #853 » by **SmushedPennies** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:17 pm

My thoughts exactly. If Avery Johnson and Mike D'Antoni are now becoming coaches who are fire-able, who are the coaches that aren't? Only Jackson, Sloan, and Riley? People put too much on the coach.

Hoops23 · Post #854 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:23 pm

I agree! Some people blame it too much to the coach but I understand that people always look for scape goat.

You can't blame D' Antoni if he was caught with the jinx brought by Shaq.

Post #855 » by **GameTime_3** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:11 am

Yep, Everyone want to blame the coach but not the G.M or the Players. D'Antoni is a good coach and Avery Johnson is a Great Coach. I think Avery is one of the best. IF Riley steps down i want Avery!!!

Hoops23 · Post #856 » by **Hoops23** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:37 am

Avery Johnson one of the best coach! LOL! :lol:

Avery Johnson the Mavs coach whom Riley outcoach in '06 finals as his successor! :banghead:

Vertical Limit · Post #857 » by **Vertical Limit** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:12 pm

D'Antoni shouldn't be fired; it's Kerr who put Shaq into the team. Wouldn't this be the first time in the last, 3 seasons that he didn't make it to the Conference finals?

Avery Johnson though, I'm not sure about him.

CRHeel94 · Post #858 » by **CRHeel94** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:53 pm

Avery Johnson might get the axe. There's rumors that he had a blow-up with Cuban late in the season (was that Ira wwho had it in his column).

I would be all over him as a potential succesor.

Miami's Finest · Post #859 » by **Miami's Finest** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:07 pm

After Avery got bent over in the NBA finals by Riley he's never been the same. He's been outcoached every playoff series he's been in, def would not want him.

Post #860 » by **GameTime_3** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:01 pm

Hoops23 wrote:Avery Johnson one of the best coach! LOL!

Avery Johnson the Mavs coach whom Riley outcoach in '06 finals as his successor!

Avery Johnson had the Mav within 5 minutes of winning game 3. The guy put them in the perfect position to win but they just cant do it. Avery johnson is a GREAT coach. Coachs are there to put the players in position to win the game but its still comes down to the players winning it. To say Riley outcoached him is a bit of a stretch. Riley did some good things and Wade went off. Remmber this is coming from a true heat fan and for me to give props to some1 its because they deserve it. Josh Howard = Overrated, Remmber finals and the last 2 years. Kidd is washed up And they got Eddie jones hahaha