MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[IggieCC]

Steven Adams....don't play with my emotions, Ethan.

Would really like Steven Adams down here.

I just like the dude at a human level. He has some deficits as a player that can't be fixed but dudes a beast.

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he's got Jimmy's approval

[eddieheatfan]

Ethan also says Heat are planning to go after Andre Drummond and Steven Adams

Which means to me that Achiuwa will a trading piece

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Steven Adams....don't play with my emotions, Ethan.

Would really like Steven Adams down here.

don ramon is a perfect fit for the heat

[MettaWorldPanda]

Would really like Steven Adams down here.

I just like the dude at a human level. He has some deficits as a player that can't be fixed but dudes a beast.

Watch on YouTube

he's got Jimmy's approval

Not sure how we get him though. Would Pels want the contracts of opted in Dragic and Iguodala? Adams will also be a free agent after next year. Perfect world trade for us is Adams and S&T Lonzo Ball for PG Dragic,SF Iguodala, S&T Duncan Robinson and Achuiwa.

[DayofMourning]

I just like the dude at a human level. He has some deficits as a player that can't be fixed but dudes a beast.

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he's got Jimmy's approval

Not sure how we get him though. Would Pels want the contracts of opted in Dragic and Iguodala? Adams will also be a free agent after next year. Perfect world trade for us is Adams and S&T Lonzo Ball for PG Dragic,SF Iguodala, S&T Duncan Robinson and Achuiwa.

You might have peaked my interest, Panda.

Truth be told, Precious is going to take some time. Years....I see him as a 3-4.

[oreon]

he's a very interesting player in that he can easily get a double double in 15-20 mins and barely make any positive impact on the game.

that was the impression I got when he was with the Pistons and virtually no change with the Lakers.

a prime example of raw talent didn't meet desire/work ethic/natural basketball abilities

Big men just can't get by only being post threats, gotta provide other things.

yes bish i agree with the general sentiment.

in Dre's case, I almost truly believe that he has the physical tools to be dominant esp. in today's small ball NBA if he had like Draymond type fire in him. Instead, he has horribly buttery hands and is usually playing like he's half asleep. Teams been fooled and we could be easily fooled as well that "culture" will turn this man into a monster he can be.. but it's probably not happening coz he's just innately a sweet boy. the biggest what could have been since Wayne Simien you bet bish

I don't think its heart or lack of trying, he's just not skilled. He's a really bad post player up who demands touches. And when he has the ball instead of making a move right away he drains 12 secs on the clock. So when he's forced to pass out there's barely anytime for the other players to run some action.
On the defensive end, he doesn't know where to be.

What makes someone like Draymond great is basketball IQ, Dre just doesn't have it. We saw him with the Lakers, and frankly there were better without him. I see the allure because of his nice stats but if you really watch I don't know why you want him

[oreon]

Ethan also says Heat are planning to go after Andre Drummond and Steven Adams

Which means to me that Achiuwa will a trading piece

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Steven Adams....don't play with my emotions, Ethan.

Would really like Steven Adams down here.

Not at his salary and I'm not giving anything of value for him. There's no point in investing huge money in a big who can't score. We know what's going to happen when we face a team like the Nets and the Bucks (if they downsize with Giannis at the 5), Adams will get played off the floor. And unfortunately he doesn't have the offensive skills to punish small centers to justify staying on the floor with great small ball teams. Look at the runs he had with OKC and NO, ultimately he wasn't effective in this era.

I agree we should get another defensive big. But we shouldn't waste assets on one. Get someone on a minimum deal or a draft a tall young big who can block shots. I think this focus on a big is an overreaction. The focus should be getting a 3 level scorer who can create their own offense when its breaks down. Worry about the other pieces when you figured that part out. Without adding a top tier offensive player I don't see us not contending with the Nets

[DayofMourning]

We are not contending. Let's at least get some anime lovers.

[Bishop45]

Yea', everything that Oreon just said

Steven Adams, eww

Steven Adams contract, eww eww

[DayofMourning]

If we are going to treadmill, at least we should treadmill with some Kiwi.

[NBADraft2003]

But what Duncan are we talking about, 2020 Duncan who went 45% from 3 or 2021 Duncan who slipped to 41%? The former added an incredible dimension to our offense but the latter was underwhelming, especially considering how much shot clock was burned trying to get him open every possession. He closed the regular season strong tho so I do have hope he can get back closer to 2020 level next year

I'm in favor of re-signing Duncan at $15 or even $16 per, it's the talk of $20 per that scares me

We talking like 41% on 9 attempts per game isn’t elite. That down year is a career year for majority in the league. How was he underwhelming? The shot clock thing isn’t on him, look at the coaching staff on that issue as well as your star players. He came back a better player this year than he was last year, a more consistent effort on D, the passing out of the traps coming off handoffs, etc.

He was underwhelming because a) his 3pt efficiency substantially declined from 2020, and b) so much of our offense was geared towards getting him open looks and 40.8% from 3 is no longer super special in this league; there were 37 players who topped that %. Now granted, Duncan had higher volume than them but that's because our offensive system was hyper-focused on spamming Duncan 3s at the expense of burning a ton of shot clock and possibly foregoing other potential options. The system obviously isn't Duncan's fault but it's the system that got him so many 3s. Ultimately we had the 18th ranked offense so the question becomes whether the system needs some reworking and if that reworking is gonna result in less Duncan 3s and what that means to Duncan's value

But I'm not sure why we're even going down this road because like I already said, I think he can get that efficiency back up closer to the 45% from 2020 and I'm happy to re-sign him at the $15 Ethan is reporting

Duncan can easily get 8 or 9 threes per game on 29 other teams, offense spamming DHOs has nothing to do with it. Essentially, that dude is the system when our possessions revolve around him running like a chicken without a head and opening up other guys for their opportunities. I’ll take a slight decline in 3 point shooting for more defense, still better than most. The system absolutely needs some work, having a long off-season for the first time in two years should do wonders for everybody.

I agree, $15 million per in today’s market is a steal for a guy like him easily. The question is, will we be aggressive on getting that done or tell him to go set his own market?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yea', everything that Oreon just said

Steven Adams, eww

Steven Adams contract, eww eww

I’ll take it if Lonzo is part of the deal.

[DayofMourning]

Yea', everything that Oreon just said

Steven Adams, eww

Steven Adams contract, eww eww

I’ll take it if Lonzo is part of the deal.

I'm down with your plan, Panda. Don't worry bout Bish. He will come round.

[unowen85]

So Riley wants to give Duncan $15 mill? But he didn’t want to give Crowder $10 mill? I don’t understand these decisions.

[DayofMourning]

So Riley wants to give Duncan $15 mill? But he didn’t want to give Crowder $10 mill? I don’t understand these decisions.

We got Giannised, buddy. He played us like a fiddle. We could've had Crowder and CP3...........................

[MettaWorldPanda]

So Riley wants to give Duncan $15 mill? But he didn’t want to give Crowder $10 mill? I don’t understand these decisions.

Yeah Giannis sweepstakes screwed that up. It’s a lot easier giving Duncan 15 this year as a restricted operating as a capped team then it was going 3 years for Crowder. Probably going to be a lot easier to trade Duncan too if something bigger comes along.

[contract]

Hopefully, lies

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Why? I keep hearing that we need a giant tree stump playing next to Bam. Drummond is a pretty young and athletic one.

[Dr_Heat]

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[contract]

I just like the dude at a human level. He has some deficits as a player that can't be fixed but dudes a beast.

Watch on YouTube

he's got Jimmy's approval

Not sure how we get him though. Would Pels want the contracts of opted in Dragic and Iguodala? Adams will also be a free agent after next year. Perfect world trade for us is Adams and S&T Lonzo Ball for PG Dragic,SF Iguodala, S&T Duncan Robinson and Achuiwa.

I'm trying to figure out how our offense works with 2 big guys that aren't low post scorers and can't stretch the defense. And that's in addition to a primary scorer who can also not stretch the defense.

[DayofMourning]

Any way we can sign Deron Williams?

[oreon]

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Nah Spo is a lifer. I think he takes over once Riley retires and Howard comes back as the coach.