Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice

[Catchall]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

As nice as it would be to add Mitchell to our roster, I low key hope we can somehow hold onto Jovic in any potential deal. I like his potential. Also thats a lot of our shooting we are sending out in that package, hope Riley has some replacements in mind that can space the floor for Jimmy and Bam.

I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think the Jazz will accept the deal.

[dean456]

The more I think about the idea of Ainge negotiating with Riley for Mitchell the more I think he's likely just messing with us so we don't make any other moves.

[MorbidHEAT]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

I would try to hold back Jovic, maybe offer Vincent instead, but I would make that deal in a heart beat.

The Jazz are in a crappy position because they simply aren't good enough. Then they can't just bring in a player because their 2 franchise players don't get along or play well together. Their best bet right now is to choose one to build the team around and trade the other. They would likely choose Gobert to trade. The problem with that is that I don't think Mitchell is good enough to lead them deep into the playoffs if you build a team around him. I might be wrong, I certainly don't watch a lot of Jazz games, but I feel like he needs somebody that is as good or better next to him.

[MorbidHEAT]

The more I think about the idea of Ainge negotiating with Riley for Mitchell the more I think he's likely just messing with us so we don't make any other moves.

Well, Pat did tell him to eff off and to worry about his own effing team. lol

[Daffy]

All these rumors just seem empty and made up stuff going based off of what other reporters have thrown out there. No names being leaked. No teams. Dipo asking for 30m? We all know that's not true. We don't even have to question it.

they are paying duncan how much? after bam and jimmy, he is third well payed player on the roster. someone correct me if am wrong?

what i'm saying anything is possible these days.

Difference is Duncan was rewarded for his player prior to signing the contract. Duncan played terrible AFTER signing the contract. Nothing about Oladipo's play last season suggests he or his agent will throw 30m per out there. Don't be gullible dude. Please.

[Catchall]

The more I think about the idea of Ainge negotiating with Riley for Mitchell the more I think he's likely just messing with us so we don't make any other moves.

The Jazz were flatly rejecting teams that called about Donovan before the draft. If the Jazz were to trade Donovan, there would be a healthy number of teams interested and some of those offers would have to be better than the Heat's. It's possible that Donovan's camp has told the Jazz that Donovan would like to be traded to the Heat, but Donovan doesn't have any leverage to force that move with three years on his deal before his player option.

I could see the Jazz trade Donovan, but they're in no hurry. They could revisit the idea in a year or two years.

[Daffy]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

Where did you see or hear this if you don't mind me asking?

[3ballbomber]

prob a lil too much issues that comes w/ Irving for us to commit to giving away Herro. I don't mind him personally.

Herro is valuable to the organisation in spite of fan opinions. I don't think we throw him away for anything less of KD, Mitchell, Beal etc. Even then somebody like KD is 33yo & wld be getting post surgery Durant. Bringing in a 3rd team to retain Herro makes sense & wld be huge move for Riles, who's prob due another miracle before he retires. This cld be it.

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[dean456]

I wonder if a team like PHX would be interested in a guy like PJ. If PJ manages to get an offer of 3yrs 32mil and we aren't willing to match it I wonder whether we could finesse a Tucker S&T for Crowder.

Crowder has 1yr left on his deal. PJ would reunite with CP3 and play on a contender rather than with Philly. Both salaries would match.

The reason I wonder is that if we are in fact looking into Crowder I'm not sure how we match salary in a potential deal unless its with Duncan and they are sending us something like Crowder and Torrey Craig which I doubt.

[DayofMourning]

The only asset I could imagine the Heat giving up for Irving would be Herro. Nobody is busting down the door to help save the Nets.

[Jfh20]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

i would if i was the jazz.. you are gettin a motherload rebuilding package... why would u want to remain a treadmill team for eternity? herro and jovic and 3 picks. strus is good too... only dead weight is robinson... but you would bench him anyway.

[Jfh20]

The more I think about the idea of Ainge negotiating with Riley for Mitchell the more I think he's likely just messing with us so we don't make any other moves.

The Jazz were flatly rejecting teams that called about Donovan before the draft. If the Jazz were to trade Donovan, there would be a healthy number of teams interested and some of those offers would have to be better than the Heat's. It's possible that Donovan's camp has told the Jazz that Donovan would like to be traded to the Heat, but Donovan doesn't have any leverage to force that move with three years on his deal before his player option.

I could see the Jazz trade Donovan, but they're in no hurry. They could revisit the idea in a year or two years.

if he has a good relationship with FO and they wana do right by him they may honor his request.. really just depends on that factor alone.

[Flash4thewin]

The more I think about the idea of Ainge negotiating with Riley for Mitchell the more I think he's likely just messing with us so we don't make any other moves.

The Jazz were flatly rejecting teams that called about Donovan before the draft. If the Jazz were to trade Donovan, there would be a healthy number of teams interested and some of those offers would have to be better than the Heat's. It's possible that Donovan's camp has told the Jazz that Donovan would like to be traded to the Heat, but Donovan doesn't have any leverage to force that move with three years on his deal before his player option.

I could see the Jazz trade Donovan, but they're in no hurry. They could revisit the idea in a year or two years.

if he has a good relationship with FO and they wana do right by him they may honor his request.. really just depends on that factor alone.

He has like 4 years on his contract….
Unless you are implying he is willing to sit out at least a year without getting paid a penny, your statement is to put it politely “questionable” at best. He is under contract for a long time, thats the only factor that matters unfortunately for us.
That would be like saying Butler requests a trade to the Lakers, Pat would laugh at his face.

[Catchall]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

Where did you see or hear this if you don't mind me asking?

Heat and the Jazz had a trade call yesterday morning. This was reported by a beat reporter who was being interviewed on local radio. The details weren't disclosed, but the word among people with contacts/friends around the organization is that basically everything outside of Butler and Bam is on the table, including multiple FRPs and multiple swaps.

Apparently, the Jazz listened, which is more than they've done with Mitchell in the past. The usual response has been to say, "We're not trading Mitchell," and that's the end of it.

[Dc__20]

I don’t think the Duncan stock is that low. Imagine him on those Houston teams with zero defenders (expcept pj) where the only game plan is to get as much 3’s up as possible. Duncan struggled because I f the expectations here, there’s still teams where the only expectation is to shoot more

[HEATVols865]

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After agreeing to a buyout with the Houston Rockets, guard John Wall plans to sign a free agent deal with the LA Clippers, sources told ESPN on Monday.

Sources said Wall, who was due $47.4 million from the Rockets after exercising the player option last week for the final year of his contract, agreed to take $6.5 million less to become a free agent. That is roughly the amount of the taxpayer midlevel exception, which he is likely to sign for in free agency.

Wall, who has career averages of 19.1 points and 9.1 assists per game, would fill the Clippers' need for a playmaker on a team that has championship aspirations with Kawhi Leonard returning after missing the 2021-22 season while recovering from a partially torn ACL in his right knee. Reggie Jackson averaged 16.8 points and 4.8 assists as LA's starting point guard last season, when the Clippers went 42-40 and were eliminated in a play-in game.

Wall spent the better part of last season in Miami and is known to train on his own there at least part of the year. The former Kentucky standout considered signing with the Miami HEAT before agreeing to terms with the Clippers. An ardent supporter of the body positivity movement, Wall is said to have been greatly discouraged by the public criticism HEAT President Pat Riley, a fellow Wildcat, lodged at Kyle Lowry earlier this offseason regarding the veteran point guard’s recurring struggles with his weight and diet.

What?! We lost Wall because Riley fat-shamed Lowry?!

Bro, I’m body positive and all but athletes need to be able to perform at a high level. If Lowry had performed well and not gotten hurt, I’d be all good with him staying the way he is. He’s not effective at this weight. Plain and simple.
Wall is just showing signs he doesn’t want to work.




Now the question I have is: HOW IS THIS NOT TAMPERING IF WALL ALREADY AGREED TO A DEAL, MADE PUBLIC, DAYS BEFORE FREE AGENCY STARTED?!?!?!


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[Catchall]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

i would if i was the jazz.. you are gettin a motherload rebuilding package... why would u want to remain a treadmill team for eternity? herro and jovic and 3 picks. strus is good too... only dead weight is robinson... but you would bench him anyway.

If it were me, I'd want a top-5 lottery pick and another lottery pick in the deal. Miami's picks are going to be late 1sts, and there isn't really a young stud in that package to build around. I like Jovic, but he will probably be a complementary piece rather than a real building block.

Again, Mitchell may like Miami, but if the Jazz want to trade him they can send him anywhere.

[RexBoyWonder]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

Where did you see or hear this if you don't mind me asking?

Highly doubt that's an accurate offer. That offer is better then what Rockets got for Harden, back when Harden was top 5 player and just off MVP seasons.

I like Mitchell, but let's get real. He's not prime Lebron. he's never even made it to WCF, and his defense might be worse then Harden's was.

[Catchall]

Jazz fan here. The lowkey chatter is that Miami is offering Herro, Robinson, Strus, Yurt, maybe Jovic, and at least 3 FRPs, plus pick swaps for Mitchell.

I can't imagine the Jazz would accept that for Mitchell, but apparently the Jazz are at least talking to you.

Where did you see or hear this if you don't mind me asking?

Highly doubt that's an accurate offer. That offer is better then what Rockets got for Harden, back when Harden was top 5 player and just off MVP seasons.

I like Mitchell, but let's get real. He's not prime Lebron. he's never even made it to WCF, and his defense might be worse then Harden's was.

Rockets got offered players like Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert, but wanted to tank and receive picks from Brooklyn instead. None of those Miami guys listed are really attractive trade pieces for Mitchell. Other than Herro, they're just filler, and the picks will likely be late 1sts.

Mitchell is an All Star who is early in his 2nd contract. Other teams will likely beat Miami's offer if Mitchell goes on the market.

[heater4life]

Aside from Irving, I don’t see any major moves happening. We usually capitalize on disfunction.