Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[MettaWorldPanda]

Nice to see this side of Hassan. Hoping he has a bad ass game tonight. Stay humble and rumble big fella.

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[Rich2Hassan]

Yea Hassan! Don't let em break you. Let the haters hate.

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I'll add 2 things :

1. I said multiple times - If Hassan can get his head right, stop acting up, be coachable - we need to do almost everything to keep him. It's more about attitude and hard work with him, not about improving his post up.

2. It's far from certain he gets max offers from us or from anyone. Teams are aware of his issue, on and off the court. Trust me, they're paying attention. He's a lock to get 10+ per year, but wouldn't be suspired if he never gets the full max. 14-18 per first year is his range IMO. (his max is 22). We'll see.

Plenty of bad teams will give a near-4 blocks a game player a max without even caring about his attitude. That attitude stems from not being given the freedom to do more than what's asked of him (rightfully so, of course). There are teams that will give him that freedom and money. The cap is rising and his max is only 22 million. Gonna be a bunch of overpaid players next year.

You can't assume this. These other GM aren't amateurs. They're aware of the thing we see. It's possible, but far from certain.

Name the teams you think are definitely going to offer him full max.

The Lakers, Hassan is a top 3 free agent this off season with Durant likely to wait until 2017. Kobe comes off the books and they'll offer both Hassan and DeRozan the max and once DeRozan says no Hassan will be their only option.

His 4 year $89mill max is basically the same contract that DeAndre Jordan got. Hassan is not inferior to DeAndre Jordan.

[dolphinatik]

you know Hassans agent is sweating bullets. All he has to do is make it to this offseason without looking like a total jerk while putting up enough stats to lure some team to offer him max. Its a tough place to be. I think he does whatever is asked of him that wont get him injured but he is def out after this season.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Plenty of bad teams will give a near-4 blocks a game player a max without even caring about his attitude. That attitude stems from not being given the freedom to do more than what's asked of him (rightfully so, of course). There are teams that will give him that freedom and money. The cap is rising and his max is only 22 million. Gonna be a bunch of overpaid players next year.

You can't assume this. These other GM aren't amateurs. They're aware of the thing we see. It's possible, but far from certain.

Name the teams you think are definitely going to offer him full max.

The Lakers, Hassan is a top 3 free agent this off season with Durant likely to wait until 2017. Kobe comes off the books and they'll offer both Hassan and DeRozan the max and once DeRozan says no Hassan will be their only option.

His 4 year $89mill max is basically the same contract that DeAndre Jordan got. Hassan is not inferior to DeAndre Jordan.

not so sure about that. i think lakers rather save that max space for a legit top 10 player.

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not so sure about that. i think lakers rather save that max space for a legit top 10 player.

Yeah and they'll have it. Hibbert comes off the books as well. Last off season they were begging anybody and everybody to take their money and LaMarcus Aldridge basically laughed at them.

It doesn't matter who offers it someone will. The free agent market sucks and everybody will have about $30mill in space on average. There are a lot worse gambles then giving an athletic rim protector $90mill.

He's getting paid.

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[Flash4thewin]

Hassan ain't getting blackballed by anyone. Asking for Hassan to get 15 shots a game is unreasonable. CB doesn't even shoot 15 shots a game. I think Rex said it best(if it was you who said it) Hassan should view himself as a glorified Deandre Jordan than a Prime Shaq. No more pouting about shot attempts when he's in the game he should do all the dirty work. Rebound,Block shots, putbacks. There will be times where he will get the ball in the post but I've never seen it feasible to give him the ball multiple possessions in a row, his offensive game isn't that good to do that.

Hassan has a special talent for defense and that's whats getting him the Max next year. No team that's gonna pay him next year is going to give him over 10 shots a game. I love Whiteside as a player there's few trades I'd take for him but he's far from perfect. Clipper fans probably feel the same about Deandre.

I think its pretty pathetic we cant get our best player, our franchise player 15 shots a game. Bosh needs more shots.

As for Whiteside, it seems we want him to be a glorified Deandre Jordan but if he wants to do better he wont on this team. Imagine Whiteside on the rockets. Yeah, we have issues on offense and in general.

Its crazy we give more shot attempts to Deng and Winslow than Whiteside in multiple games. Its hard to justify that. Heck at times Wade takes more shots in the 4th than Whiteside does all game long. Wade is a free agent also who is looking to get paid guys... Our system on offense is bad, our system on defense is not great at all.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Hassan ain't getting blackballed by anyone. Asking for Hassan to get 15 shots a game is unreasonable. CB doesn't even shoot 15 shots a game. I think Rex said it best(if it was you who said it) Hassan should view himself as a glorified Deandre Jordan than a Prime Shaq. No more pouting about shot attempts when he's in the game he should do all the dirty work. Rebound,Block shots, putbacks. There will be times where he will get the ball in the post but I've never seen it feasible to give him the ball multiple possessions in a row, his offensive game isn't that good to do that.

Hassan has a special talent for defense and that's whats getting him the Max next year. No team that's gonna pay him next year is going to give him over 10 shots a game. I love Whiteside as a player there's few trades I'd take for him but he's far from perfect. Clipper fans probably feel the same about Deandre.

I think its pretty pathetic we cant get our best player, our franchise player 15 shots a game. Bosh needs more shots.

As for Whiteside, it seems we want him to be a glorified Deandre Jordan but if he wants to do better he wont on this team. Imagine Whiteside on the rockets. Yeah, we have issues on offense and in general.

Its crazy we give more shot attempts to Deng and Winslow than Whiteside in multiple games. Its hard to justify that. Heck at times Wade takes more shots in the 4th than Whiteside does all game long. Wade is a free agent also who is looking to get paid guys... Our system on offense is bad, our system on defense is not great at all.

A lot of that is on whiteside. he will just stand near the rim waiting for the ball and unless he is dunking it its more likely a turnover.

whiteside is not a player you can just give him the ball and he scores. he has to be spoon fed by wade or get a put back off an oreb.

as for bosh taking so few shots, thats on the guys who handle the ball.

[RexBoyWonder]

I don't get the all "he's not getting enough shots".

What do you want us to do, run him around screens for mid range jumpers? He can't shot well enough.
Feed him the ball to post up? He's a turnover machine, can't pass out, and we're still trying it as much as realistically possible

His scoring was always based on easy assisted dunks/ally-hoops/layup, or offensive boards. That's his game right now. He can occasionally score on post up if he catches it deep enough and the help isn't coming fast enough, but come on get real, he's more Dwight then Olajuwon on offense.

Dwight average shot attempts per 36 for his career = 11.2
Hassan average shot attempts per36 with us = 11.3

If you only count this season, it's still 10.5. Dwight is averaging 9.4 per36 this year. The game is going away from the big men posts up, especially if they can't pass out well.

Can we try to find him a bit more on the P&R? sure, that would be nice. But fans crying about his shot attempts, or him pouting?

Please, calm the f down. It's FARRR from a big issue, for the team or for him.

[gom]

I'll add 2 things :

1. I said multiple times - If Hassan can get his head right, stop acting up, be coachable - we need to do almost everything to keep him. It's more about attitude and hard work with him, not about improving his post up.

2. It's far from certain he gets max offers from us or from anyone. Teams are aware of his issue, on and off the court. Trust me, they're paying attention. He's a lock to get 10+ per year, but wouldn't be suspired if he never gets the full max. 14-18 per first year is his range IMO. (his max is 22). We'll see.

Hassan's max is not 22. He is a player in the 0-4 year range: $20,957,000

89 : 4 = 22.25

They use a different cap calculation to determine the maximum salaries, which is based on 42.14% of projected BRI rather than 44.74%. In 2005 the sides negotiated a different formula for setting the salary cap but not maximum salaries, so the two became decoupled, and this continued in the 2011 agreement. For this reason the maximum salaries are not actually 25%, 30% or 35% of the cap, and instead are a slightly lower amount. For example, even though the salary cap for 2011-12 is $58.044 million and 25% of this amount is $14.511 million, the 0-6 year maximum salary is actually $12,922,194. In addition, for 2012-13 a 5.8% increase in maximum salaries was agreed to, even though the salary cap stayed the same as 2011-12.
(from cbafaq http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16)

You can trust my numbers, RexBoyWonder.

[orphicwhip]

I don't get the all "he's not getting enough shots".

What do you want us to do, run him around screens for mid range jumpers? He can't shot well enough.
Feed him the ball to post up? He's a turnover machine, can't pass out, and we're still trying it as much as realistically possible

His scoring was always based on easy assisted dunks/ally-hoops/layup, or offensive boards. That's his game right now. He can occasionally score on post up if he catches it deep enough and the help isn't coming fast enough, but come on get real, he's more Dwight then Olajuwon on offense.

Dwight average shot attempts per 36 for his career = 11.2
Hassan average shot attempts per36 with us = 11.3

If you only count this season, it's still 10.5. Dwight is averaging 9.4 per36 this year. The game is going away from the big men posts up, especially if they can't pass out well.

Can we try to find him a bit more on the P&R? sure, that would be nice. But fans crying about his shot attempts, or him pouting?

Please, calm the f down. It's FARRR from a big issue, for the team or for him.

The issue with him in the P&R is that only Wade can successfully run that with him despite his terrible screens. Dragic can't really do anything with him and Hassan looks like he's in the way half the time Dagic tries it with him vs with Bosh,Deng or even Winslow.

It says something when the only player that can make something happen with him is one of the greatest playmakers ever.

I know it sounds like I'm constantly hating on Hassan, but jeez he makes it easy. If he could learn to set good screens, roll hard, Play defense beyond going for blocks and LEARN to PASS on a consistent basis I would absolutely love him.He would deserve eveyr dollar he'd command. I'll enjoy the occasional monster nights he might have but it's the nights where he's lethargic, plays uninterested and selfish, pouts and is infuriating to watch the really gets on my nerves and he's already had far too much of those especially for someone who's should know by now how easy it is to lose your place in this league.

[CanesHeatFins]

Led the nba in points per touch last season. 2nd in the entire eastern conference in per this season. Was almost unstoppable in the post last season. Has proven that he can hit the mid range j when given a chance. And... you guys make him sound like an uncoordinated Joel Anthony who should thank the heavens that he's allowed to even look at a basketball.

Wade is a world class ball handler and future hall of famer, and even he still has 3 embarrassing turnovers every game. Hassan gets mocked here if he losses the ball in a double team, and it becomes justification to continue to freeze Hassan out of the offense for the rest of the game. Hassan showed huge promise on the offensive end last season, and our answer to further develop his game has been to turn him into tyson chandler. Smh thank goodness that Spo was not the head coach of young Wade, because he doesn't seem to know what to do with high potential players. If you need to develop a role player, Spo is your guy. Hope you guys know that Winslow will be no better than a Tony Allen type with this staff.

Our only shot to be special this year, was for Dragic to have magical yr and for Hassan to build on last season by taking leap on the offensive end. I don't know if it's the staff or his teammates, but the ball was certainly dropped in preparation for this season. Expecting a year older Bosh and Wade centric offense to make us special, the year after that game plan led us to a 10th seed was foolish.

[NBADraft2003]

But even Dwight is smart enough to pass out of a double team before he gets crowded. Hassan, not so much...

[Rich2Hassan]

Hey guys, where ya at?

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19pts 17rebs 11blks

[Heat_Fan_87]

lets see if he can do it again...

[goodboy]

trade him

[KingDavid]

RT @CoupNBA: Hassan Whiteside just had more blocks in a single game than 270 players have this entire season.

Jesus christ

[Rich2Hassan]

It would be so easy to call out all of the posters who were up in here bashing him 12 hours ago, but I won't bother. I just wanna know, Where ya at?