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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#881 » by contract » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:25 am

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NBADraft2003 wrote:We talking like 41% on 9 attempts per game isn’t elite. That down year is a career year for majority in the league. How was he underwhelming? The shot clock thing isn’t on him, look at the coaching staff on that issue as well as your star players. He came back a better player this year than he was last year, a more consistent effort on D, the passing out of the traps coming off handoffs, etc.

He was underwhelming because a) his 3pt efficiency substantially declined from 2020, and b) so much of our offense was geared towards getting him open looks and 40.8% from 3 is no longer super special in this league; there were 37 players who topped that %. Now granted, Duncan had higher volume than them but that's because our offensive system was hyper-focused on spamming Duncan 3s at the expense of burning a ton of shot clock and possibly foregoing other potential options. The system obviously isn't Duncan's fault but it's the system that got him so many 3s. Ultimately we had the 18th ranked offense so the question becomes whether the system needs some reworking and if that reworking is gonna result in less Duncan 3s and what that means to Duncan's value

But I'm not sure why we're even going down this road because like I already said, I think he can get that efficiency back up closer to the 45% from 2020 and I'm happy to re-sign him at the $15 Ethan is reporting

Duncan can easily get 8 or 9 threes per game on 29 other teams, offense spamming DHOs has nothing to do with it. Essentially, that dude is the system when our possessions revolve around him running like a chicken without a head and opening up other guys for their opportunities. I’ll take a slight decline in 3 point shooting for more defense, still better than most. The system absolutely needs some work, having a long off-season for the first time in two years should do wonders for everybody.

I agree, $15 million per in today’s market is a steal for a guy like him easily. The question is, will we be aggressive on getting that done or tell him to go set his own market?

I can't believe that we're having heated discussions about a guy who averages 13 points a game, can't create his own shot, and does next to nothing besides launch 3s. Robinson was a steal as a minimum salary guy. He'd still have value earning $5 million a year. He's a regret the minute we sign him for any significant amount of money.

I don't care how accurate he is, Robinson is more Jason Kapono than Steph. He's more Jason Kapono than Jason Kapono.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#882 » by contract » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:29 am

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I hope they offer him Fort Knox.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#883 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:35 am

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#884 » by contract » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:36 am

unowen85 wrote:So Riley wants to give Duncan $15 mill? But he didn’t want to give Crowder $10 mill? I don’t understand these decisions.

I have nightmares about paying a guy $20 million a year to make 4 buckets per game ... and who requires a full blown conspiracy to sink most of them. :nonono:
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#885 » by Bishop45 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:36 am

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Bishop45 wrote:Yea', everything that Oreon just said

Steven Adams, eww

Steven Adams contract, eww eww

I’ll take it if Lonzo is part of the deal.


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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#886 » by NBADraft2003 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:37 am

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BenoUdrihFTL wrote:He was underwhelming because a) his 3pt efficiency substantially declined from 2020, and b) so much of our offense was geared towards getting him open looks and 40.8% from 3 is no longer super special in this league; there were 37 players who topped that %. Now granted, Duncan had higher volume than them but that's because our offensive system was hyper-focused on spamming Duncan 3s at the expense of burning a ton of shot clock and possibly foregoing other potential options. The system obviously isn't Duncan's fault but it's the system that got him so many 3s. Ultimately we had the 18th ranked offense so the question becomes whether the system needs some reworking and if that reworking is gonna result in less Duncan 3s and what that means to Duncan's value

But I'm not sure why we're even going down this road because like I already said, I think he can get that efficiency back up closer to the 45% from 2020 and I'm happy to re-sign him at the $15 Ethan is reporting

Duncan can easily get 8 or 9 threes per game on 29 other teams, offense spamming DHOs has nothing to do with it. Essentially, that dude is the system when our possessions revolve around him running like a chicken without a head and opening up other guys for their opportunities. I’ll take a slight decline in 3 point shooting for more defense, still better than most. The system absolutely needs some work, having a long off-season for the first time in two years should do wonders for everybody.

I agree, $15 million per in today’s market is a steal for a guy like him easily. The question is, will we be aggressive on getting that done or tell him to go set his own market?

I can't believe that we're having heated discussions about a guy who averages 13 points a game, can't create his own shot, and does next to nothing besides launch 3s. Robinson was a steal as a minimum salary guy. He'd still have value earning $5 million a year. He's a regret the minute we sign him for any significant amount of money.

I don't care how accurate he is, Robinson is more Jason Kapono than Steph. He's more Jason Kapono than Jason Kapono.

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#887 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:44 am

unowen85 wrote:So Riley wants to give Duncan $15 mill? But he didn’t want to give Crowder $10 mill? I don’t understand these decisions.

It was about years, not money. Different circumstances now that they arent preserving cap.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#888 » by HeatIn5 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:52 am

We are almost guaranteed to add a center in this offseason. Right now Dedmon is the only real one on the roster. Could see us trying to make Bam a 4 next year and going a little bigger.

Qualifications -

- Need to be able to hit a jump shot (at least somewhat)
- Need to be able to switch on defense
- Need to be able to protect the rim in help when Bam is on the perimeter


Names -

- Richaun Holmes - He will probably be the most expensive big in the market, unfortunately. 79% from the line each of the last 2 years. Hasn't had very many 3 point attempts in games, but the year he took his most attempts he shot 35%. Being around Dedmon I'm sure he could have a similar type development. Hell, we made Chris Silva's jumper serviceable. I would love to find a way to get Holmes. Not too realistic, though.

- Harry Giles - His per 36 numbers have been solid, he's young, and a Dukie. The question has always been his health and how much he can play.

- Gorgui Dieng - A name many of us thought we could get at the deadline. Big guy with range. Would essentially be like having 2 Dedmons.

- Moritz Wagner - Could play a Kelly O/Belly (what they thought) role for us off bench. Big man with range. Averaged 15 and 6 per 36 last year and shot 37% from 3 (88% from line). Has played on bad teams his entire career, so it would be interesting to see him in this environment.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#889 » by HeatFanLifer » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:58 am

HerroBalls wrote:We are almost guaranteed to add a center in this offseason. Right now Dedmon is the only real one on the roster. Could see us trying to make Bam a 4 next year and going a little bigger.

Qualifications -

- Need to be able to hit a jump shot (at least somewhat)
- Need to be able to switch on defense
- Need to be able to protect the rim in help when Bam is on the perimeter


Names -

- Richaun Holmes - He will probably be the most expensive big in the market, unfortunately. 79% from the line each of the last 2 years. Hasn't had very many 3 point attempts in games, but the year he took his most attempts he shot 35%. Being around Dedmon I'm sure he could have a similar type development. Hell, we made Chris Silva's jumper serviceable. I would love to find a way to get Holmes. Not too realistic, though.

- Harry Giles - His per 36 numbers have been solid, he's young, and a Dukie. The question has always been his health and how much he can play.

- Gorgui Dieng - A name many of us thought we could get at the deadline. Big guy with range. Would essentially be like having 2 Dedmons.

- Moritz Wagner - Could play a Kelly O/Belly (what they thought) role for us off bench. Big man with range. Averaged 15 and 6 per 36 last year and shot 37% from 3 (88% from line). Has played on bad teams his entire career, so it would be interesting to see him in this environment.


Heat will get two centers signed and neither will be in the 8 man rotation. I could see Nunn playing C at times. Spo probably processing an update to his OS to make it work in his head right now.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#890 » by HeatIn5 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:02 am

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Read on Twitter

I hope they offer him Fort Knox.



They would 100% offer him full control and probably a guaranteed a front office position until he retires or blows it into the ground.

The question would turn into how much control Pat will give him, if he's okay with that, and what his title will be vs Nick Arison/Battier when Riley finally retires.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#891 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:19 am

HerroBalls wrote:
contract wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
Read on Twitter

I hope they offer him Fort Knox.



They would 100% offer him full control and probably a guaranteed a front office position until he retires or blows it into the ground.

The question would turn into how much control Pat will give him, if he's okay with that, and what his title will be vs Nick Arison/Battier when Riley finally retires.



https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-trail-blazers-interested-heat-222727721.html

national media is talking about it too.please spo go home to portland they need your "expertise" over there




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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#892 » by HeatIn5 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:24 am

Chris Quinn head coach?


I'd see if Battier wants it and hire a serious X's and O's guy for him
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#893 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:45 am

HerroBalls wrote:Chris Quinn head coach?


I'd see if Battier wants it and hire a serious X's and O's guy for him

Back up the brinks truck for Juwan whenever the time comes. Quinn doesnt strike me as a guy that commands respect from players around the league.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#894 » by contract » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:16 am

eddieheatfan wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:
contract wrote:I hope they offer him Fort Knox.



They would 100% offer him full control and probably a guaranteed a front office position until he retires or blows it into the ground.

The question would turn into how much control Pat will give him, if he's okay with that, and what his title will be vs Nick Arison/Battier when Riley finally retires.



https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-trail-blazers-interested-heat-222727721.html

national media is talking about it too.please spo go home to portland they need your "expertise" over there




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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#895 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:25 am

If we need a big that shoots then we should offer Bobby Portis the MLE the moment free agency hits. He’s only 26 and shot 47% from 3. Bobby would have a great opportunity starting with Bam and Butler.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#896 » by puppa bear » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 am

eddieheatfan wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:
contract wrote:I hope they offer him Fort Knox.



They would 100% offer him full control and probably a guaranteed a front office position until he retires or blows it into the ground.

The question would turn into how much control Pat will give him, if he's okay with that, and what his title will be vs Nick Arison/Battier when Riley finally retires.



https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-trail-blazers-interested-heat-222727721.html

national media is talking about it too.please spo go home to portland they need your "expertise" over there




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Who was the last coach traded? What could we get for him? 2022 & 2024 1st?

Keep in mind, this is 100% an all-in type move for Portland. So they’d need to be mortgaging the future for this, no win-now pieces going out.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#897 » by Wiltside » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:13 am

Doc Rivers? He was traded from Boston to LAC for a FRP from memory
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#898 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:34 am

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he's got Jimmy's approval :)

Not sure how we get him though. Would Pels want the contracts of opted in Dragic and Iguodala? Adams will also be a free agent after next year. Perfect world trade for us is Adams and S&T Lonzo Ball for PG Dragic,SF Iguodala, S&T Duncan Robinson and Achuiwa.

I'm trying to figure out how our offense works with 2 big guys that aren't low post scorers and can't stretch the defense. And that's in addition to a primary scorer who can also not stretch the defense.


It will work itself into being the worst offense in the NBA. Not lying.

Pretty amazing people are even talking about guys like Adams and Drummond, we don't have alot of recourses to improve so spending any money on these kind of non shooting, non passing, 90's dinosaurs that got played off the floor with their current teams...

It's mind boggling.

It's the 3 point shooting offensive Bonanza era, and people here are trying to build a team to beat the 1991 Pistons.

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#899 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 am

We couldn't give 21 YO growing Precious 5 minutes next to Bam, so now you want to pay S.Adams 18 Mil per to be a even worst offensive scorer next to Bam. Ok.
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Post#900 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:40 am

The only way this team is ever going anywhere is if we have enough elite shooting around Jimmy and Bam, both of whom are the rare type of star that can't shoot consistently from mid range and won't even try to shoot 3's.

If you don't have great shooters to play them with, expect the look like the worst offense in the league and a 6-8 seed at best. You won't win anything in today's NBA without having a competent offense, no matter what you do defensivly.

So in regards to the Drummond or Adams question - I choose Hockey.
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