Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[Pokuokic]

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Not sure how credible this is, I say its unlikely. But if the Hornets are in a salary crunch and willing to pay to reduce salary. Lowry could be a huge asset for them.

Maybe the Heat could swing a deal to get Dinwiddie and Jones in a three team deal.

Interesting you would think they would move Jonas Val for expiring contracts before they would Herb or Trey.......but yeah they def cannot pay everyone from CJ/Val/Zion/Ingram and Herb/Trey.

[twix2500]

Looks like the lakers have moved their focus to Bruce Brown

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[KingDavid]

Mitchell
JJJ
Tatum
Jovic
Bam

Is going to be such a fun era

3 max players in the 2 apron era? Idk... Would be incredible though.

[KingDavid]

lakers might get DJM

heat will get lowry twerking

Yup. Not expecting any moves unless we start to meltdown before the deadline.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Absolute dog

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Absolute dog

Struggled from 3 tonight but 9-13 inside the arc, finished with 9 rebounds and 6 assist as well. Would instantly be our best 3 level scorer and passer. We will need to adjust roles, lineups, the team hierarchy on offense

[KingDavid]

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Absolute dog

Hope we get him.

[Wiltside]

Need Terry or Dejounte tbh

[RexBoyWonder]

TBH -

How willing are you to blow it all up?

I mean keep only the core - Jimmy, Bam and JJJ - and move EVERYTHING else to re-structure an entirely new team around them?

It's probably not likely, but honestly despite liking alot of "the others" - none of them seem to great fit, expet maybe Duncan. I'm talking positional fit, skillset fit, or age fit.

A Herro + Lowry + Jovic + Martin + Maybe Duncan + picks package can probably get you an entirely new supporting cast around Bam/Jimmy/JJJ.

Assuming those 3 will become 3 of our starts/closers, we'll need to get back a ready now stretch 4 to play between Jimmy and Bam (Like an older Jovic) and a scoring shooting PG to play next to JJJ (whos going to be our starting SG).

One example : (that package can probably get us a few decent options at every position)

Rozier (or Murray)
JJJ
Jimmy
Jeremy Grant
Bam

honestly isn't this a better team then we currently have? IDN...something just seems off with the chemistry currently.

[RexBoyWonder]

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23.5 PPG on 57%FG, 43% on 3 pointers, and 6.1 assists per game - so he can pass some.

Looks like he could help one of the worst offenses in the league.

[Wiltside]

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23.5 PPG on 57%FG, 43% on 3 pointers, and 6.1 assists per game - so he can pass some.

Looks like he could help one of the worst offenses in the league.

Should be next man up.

[marson]

TBH -

How willing are you to blow it all up?

I mean keep only the core - Jimmy, Bam and JJJ - and move EVERYTHING else to re-structure an entirely new team around them?

It's probably not likely, but honestly despite liking alot of "the others" - none of them seem to great fit, expet maybe Duncan. I'm talking positional fit, skillset fit, or age fit.

A Herro + Lowry + Jovic + Martin + Maybe Duncan + picks package can probably get you an entirely new supporting cast around Bam/Jimmy/JJJ.

Assuming those 3 will become 3 of our starts/closers, we'll need to get back a ready now stretch 4 to play between Jimmy and Bam (Like an older Jovic) and a scoring shooting PG to play next to JJJ (whos going to be our starting SG).

One example : (that package can probably get us a few decent options at every position)

Rozier (or Murray)
JJJ
Jimmy
Jeremy Grant
Bam

honestly isn't this a better team then we currently have? IDN...something just seems off with the chemistry currently.

No reason to blow it up Rex as we are still in the playoff hunt and I'm still confident about beating the Bucks and Celtics in a Bo7 with minor fixes.

With that said, Moving Lowry is a must at this point. He is becoming toxic to coach Spo and the locker room and should be put in his place.

If we get another star for Herro, Jovic, and Caleb. I would do it.

The reason why I won't trade Duncan as he is our best shooter, has the best chemistry with two of our best players (Bam and Jimmy), and only has 2 years remaining which is ironically a bargain contract now.

[RexBoyWonder]

TBH -

How willing are you to blow it all up?

I mean keep only the core - Jimmy, Bam and JJJ - and move EVERYTHING else to re-structure an entirely new team around them?

It's probably not likely, but honestly despite liking alot of "the others" - none of them seem to great fit, expet maybe Duncan. I'm talking positional fit, skillset fit, or age fit.

A Herro + Lowry + Jovic + Martin + Maybe Duncan + picks package can probably get you an entirely new supporting cast around Bam/Jimmy/JJJ.

Assuming those 3 will become 3 of our starts/closers, we'll need to get back a ready now stretch 4 to play between Jimmy and Bam (Like an older Jovic) and a scoring shooting PG to play next to JJJ (whos going to be our starting SG).

One example : (that package can probably get us a few decent options at every position)

Rozier (or Murray)
JJJ
Jimmy
Jeremy Grant
Bam

honestly isn't this a better team then we currently have? IDN...something just seems off with the chemistry currently.

No reason to blow it up Rex as we are still in the playoff hunt and I'm still confident about beating the Bucks and Celtics in a Bo7 with minor fixes.

With that said, Moving Lowry is a must at this point. He is becoming toxic to coach Spo and the locker room and should be put in his place.

If we get another star for Herro, Jovic, and Caleb. I would do it.

The reason why I won't trade Duncan as he is our best shooter, has the best chemistry with two of our best players (Bam and Jimmy), and only has 2 years remaining which is ironically a bargain contract now.

You're probably right, and I agree about Duncan - he's a good fit next to the core.

So for this thought exercise let's assume that Jimmy, Bam, JJJ, Duncan are locks.

This makes Herro, Lowry, Martin, Jovic, Picks are the assets.

I can't help but think that the current team isn't maximized. There's got to be a way to flip the assets into players that make the team better overall.

Lowry + pick for a legit PG is just one of the ways we could get better.
Herro for a legit shooting PF might be another,
Martin for big backup C could be another.

Maybe i'm just overblowing the chemistry issue. Maybe if we just add a good scoring PG, start Duncan, move Herro to the bench, keep developing Jovic - everything fall into place.

[SA37]

I am not sure Riley would move Lowry without getting a player with similar grit/intangibles or who is superior to him (i.e. Murray). Given Memphis's season, would they potentially be open to moving Marcus Smart?

Miami gets: Smart and PJ Tucker

Memphis gets: Amir Coffey, Lowry, and C Martin + draft considerations from Miami

Clippers get: Kennard

Bam / Bryant
Tucker / Love / Jovic
Butler / JJJ / Cain
Herro / Robinson / Highsmith
Smart / Richardson

If Gordon Hayward gets bought out, he would be an interesting option.

[twix2500]

I think many underestimate how big of a piece the Heat think JJJ is.

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[twix2500]

I am not sure Riley would move Lowry without getting a player with similar grit/intangibles or who is superior to him (i.e. Murray). Given Memphis's season, would they potentially be open to moving Marcus Smart?

Miami gets: Smart and PJ Tucker

Memphis gets: Amir Coffey, Lowry, and C Martin + draft considerations from Miami

Clippers get: Kennard

Bam / Bryant
Tucker / Love / Jovic
Butler / JJJ / Cain
Herro / Robinson / Highsmith
Smart / Richardson

If Gordon Hayward gets bought out, he would be an interesting option.

I think the Heat would pursue Smart if he wasn't injured

[3ammy3uck3ts]

TBH -

How willing are you to blow it all up?

I mean keep only the core - Jimmy, Bam and JJJ - and move EVERYTHING else to re-structure an entirely new team around them?

It's probably not likely, but honestly despite liking alot of "the others" - none of them seem to great fit, expet maybe Duncan. I'm talking positional fit, skillset fit, or age fit.

A Herro + Lowry + Jovic + Martin + Maybe Duncan + picks package can probably get you an entirely new supporting cast around Bam/Jimmy/JJJ.

Assuming those 3 will become 3 of our starts/closers, we'll need to get back a ready now stretch 4 to play between Jimmy and Bam (Like an older Jovic) and a scoring shooting PG to play next to JJJ (whos going to be our starting SG).

One example : (that package can probably get us a few decent options at every position)

Rozier (or Murray)
JJJ
Jimmy
Jeremy Grant
Bam

honestly isn't this a better team then we currently have? IDN...something just seems off with the chemistry currently.

I’d be down plus keeping Duncan and Highsmith. The Heat wouldn’t do it though.

Our best bet is to get a PG like Rozier or DJM. If we get Rozier make him the top offensive player instead of Herro. Move Herro to 6 man and start either Duncan/Martin/JJJ at the 2 probably in that order.

Roles and hierarchy change is needed. Shot profile changes for Herro and bam are needed as well.

[BFRESH44]

If Lowry is still on this roster after February 8th, there’s no way this front office can say they’re trying everything they can do to win with this core. They’ll be saying that getting out from being a repeater tax team is a bigger priority.

[SA37]

I am not sure Riley would move Lowry without getting a player with similar grit/intangibles or who is superior to him (i.e. Murray). Given Memphis's season, would they potentially be open to moving Marcus Smart?

Miami gets: Smart and PJ Tucker

Memphis gets: Amir Coffey, Lowry, and C Martin + draft considerations from Miami

Clippers get: Kennard

Bam / Bryant
Tucker / Love / Jovic
Butler / JJJ / Cain
Herro / Robinson / Highsmith
Smart / Richardson

If Gordon Hayward gets bought out, he would be an interesting option.

I think the Heat would pursue Smart if he wasn't injured

Smart is out 5-6 weeks, I believe. I don't think that is a reason not to trade for him. He's the kind of guy Miami keep to retirement (Smart turns 30 in March and his contract expires in '26 when he'd be 32) and Smart would be back in time for the last ~15-20 games and then, in theory, ready for a playoff run.

That said, I don't know Memphis would even entertain a deal for him -- especially if we're talking about a deal with Miami and its limited assets -- without having given him at least a full season with the full roster.

[SA37]

If Lowry is still on this roster after February 8th, there’s no way this front office can say they’re trying everything they can do to win with this core. They’ll be saying that getting out from being a repeater tax team is a bigger priority.

Miami doesn't have much in the way of assets and Lowry is having about as unproductive season as he could have had. He's basically become to Miami what PJ Tucker was to Miami when he was with the team: the intangibles and experience he brings makes him more valuable to the team than his actual on-court production. So, unless he is being acquired for salary relief, he probably needs to be paired with Herro, Jovic, or a silly number of picks to bring back a quality player.

Lowry isn't just going to "turn it on" with another team where he might have a bigger role; he's a role player and the number of interested teams -- and what they'd be willing to give for him -- will be on the lower end (mainly title contenders or teams attracted by the cap relief this summer). I think that means teams like the Clippers (would require a 3rd team), maybe the New Orleans (again, you likely need a 3rd team), OKC (that likely would require involving Bertans's salary ), Sacramento, and Philly as a long shot (they already have Melton and Beverly behind Maxey).

Once you look at who those teams could send back...yikes.