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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#881 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Feb 6, 2025 11:54 am

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Bishop45 wrote:I like Slo-mo, kinda' hope he stays


He f’s 2026 and keeps us a tax team. Riley has to be pretty pissed, fingers crossed he gets shipped.


I like the basketball fit, as he could bring some size, experience and IQ to the backcourt-- but yea', the dollars don't make sense

I like Slo mo too. Can never have enough 6’9 guys who handle and hit clutch 3’s. I actually hope we do keep him and make another move instead to get a PG.
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Post#882 » by 3ballbomber » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:31 pm

Good bye Jimmy, you a*shole. Thanks for the grit! See you in the future when we retire your jersey. That will be a great night looking back at you taking the team on your back. Riles & your handshake will be a good moment.

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#883 » by BBallFreak » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:32 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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He f’s 2026 and keeps us a tax team. Riley has to be pretty pissed, fingers crossed he gets shipped.


I like the basketball fit, as he could bring some size, experience and IQ to the backcourt-- but yea', the dollars don't make sense

I like Slo mo too. Can never have enough 6’9 guys who handle and hit clutch 3’s. I actually hope we do keep him and make another move instead to get a PG.

I wouldn't mind keeping him, myself. I understand why we wanted to offload him, though. Would have saved us a fortune and created a large trade exception (around $12 million)
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#884 » by Heat3 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:33 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Beal and 3 FRPs > Wiggins, PJ Tucker and 1 FRP. They prioritized tax savings over asset building. Wiggins and Beal's contracts come off the books at the same time.


Those 3 FRP are at the bottom of the first round. Almost 2nd round picks. Heat got a top 10 protected pick.
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Post#885 » by 3ballbomber » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:41 pm

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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Beal and 3 FRPs > Wiggins, PJ Tucker and 1 FRP. They prioritized tax savings over asset building. Wiggins and Beal's contracts come off the books at the same time.


Those 3 FRP are at the bottom of the first round. Almost 2nd round picks. Heat got a top 10 protected pick.


FO got the best possible return we cld get for Jimmy. It’s diff times here in Australia but i believe there’s still some time for possibly more movement?
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Post#886 » by HeatFan_NC » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:44 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Tomorrow is a great day to trade Anderson and Rozier for Brogden


I don't think we're done dealing
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Post#887 » by HeatFan_NC » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:47 pm

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A filler who will be a vet presence

I guess we weren't very high on Schröder.


PJ is going to fill the role of seasoned, tough veteran who can teach the youngsters and eventually become an assistant coach
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Post#888 » by Pokuokic » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:49 pm

What about THT he's ELITE getting to the rim huge body and a 6*5 like 250 guard with excellent handle not much chance on the Bulls but played well in Utah he's only making 2mil
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Post#889 » by Heat3 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:53 pm

3ballbomber wrote:
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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Beal and 3 FRPs > Wiggins, PJ Tucker and 1 FRP. They prioritized tax savings over asset building. Wiggins and Beal's contracts come off the books at the same time.


Those 3 FRP are at the bottom of the first round. Almost 2nd round picks. Heat got a top 10 protected pick.


FO got the best possible return we cld get for Jimmy. It’s diff times here in Australia but i believe there’s still some time for possibly more movement?


Yeah. Its almost 8am here. Still some hours left to deal. Ends at 3pm.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#890 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Feb 6, 2025 12:56 pm

Pokuokic wrote:What about THT he's ELITE getting to the rim huge body and a 6*5 like 250 guard with excellent handle not much chance on the Bulls but played well in Utah he's only making 2mil

We need more of another pick and roll ball handler. Someone that can control pace and settle the team down into some good offense. Malcolm Brogden is ideal
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Post#891 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:11 pm

HeatFan_NC wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Tomorrow is a great day to trade Anderson and Rozier for Brogden


I don't think we're done dealing


Hopefully you're right.

Sadly I don't think we have any tradable second round picks, could've been handy trying to trade Tucker/Anderson and get a smart experienced PG.

Maybe we can pull something off somehow...
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Post#892 » by batterybro42 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:21 pm

Really going to enjoy watching Maple Jordan. He is really solid on defense and I think he bridges Herro to Bam/Ware and gives us a really strong attacking option on the offensive end. Wiggins is 29 but he still has not peaked in my opinion. Mentally he is in a good place, the talent has always been there and has shined in moments during his career. This is as gifted and as talented a player as there is in league. Can Spo and company help him achieve a level in the next year and a half that he has not obtained before? I think so.

I actually really like Kyle Anderson on this team and feel that he gives you some interesting lineup options. He is 6'9 a very good passer, and capable shooter. He is a really good end of the rotation bench guy, who is kind of a mixed bag of skills. You can very briefly have him play PG in spurts. He has been around high level teams and can contribute to winning.

PJ Tucker is your new enforcer. An OG who has been there before and know what Heat Culture is. He is still capable of giving you a few stretches in a playoff series of rugged defense. More than anything he does on the floor his impact in the locker room will be great for the guys, I think the young guys benefit from Love's happy go lucky type demeanor, but there needs to be a voice in that locker room who is about that action like PJ is.
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Post#893 » by heater4life » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:22 pm

I think swapping Tucker for Schroeder was purely a tax move. Had they known the Toronto deal was going to go under, I think they would have stayed with him.

Had they unloaded Anderson and kept Schroeder they would be a slightly above the tax line.
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Post#894 » by jbsays » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:26 pm

IMO, advantages of Wiggins over Beal.

-$20 million cheaper
-2 years younger
-better athlete
-better defender
-bigger
-less redundancy with Herro
-slots right in to SF spot with capability to be a small ball PF (basically he can play forward position next to everyone on Heat roster who should be getting minutes)

Main negative I see is he won't help ball handling and he is a less of an iso scorer than Beal. Contracts are for same amount of years so that's a wash. We also don't know for sure if Beal was waiving that NTC to come to Miami.
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Post#895 » by jbsays » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:29 pm

PJ Tucker
Heat had him before so they know what he brings on/off the court and in practice. They realize he is 3 years older. I think it was more money and what he will bring off the court than on court production. Heat have been lacking the tough guy, no nonsense vet since Haslem left. Tucker is going to bring that.
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Post#896 » by marson » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:30 pm

jbsays wrote:IMO, advantages of Wiggins over Beal.

-$20 million cheaper
-2 years younger
-better athlete
-better defender
-bigger
-less redundancy with Herro
-slots right in to SF spot with capability to be a small ball PF (basically he can play forward position next to everyone on Heat roster who should be getting minutes)

Main negative I see is he won't help ball handling and he is a less of an iso scorer than Beal. Contracts are for same amount of years so that's a wash. We also don't know for sure if Beal was waiving that NTC to come to Miami.


Closing lineup with Wiggs with Jovic will be cinema.

Jovic has been closing games in the 3 spot now, now insert a POA defender in Wiggs for Duncan or Terry.

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#897 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:31 pm

Interesting information is we are only 2.5 million away from getting out of 1st apron and 8 million away from getting out of tax all together. At this rate I don’t think we’ll be able to shave off Anderson’s contract completely without giving up assets which we will not but could be a chance to trade for less money coming back to get out of the 1st apron. The 1st apron rules kick in when 7 million over the tax line. Originally the Raptors were going to just take him as a asset free addition using there TPE. That looks like it fell through with them agreeing to Ingram deal.
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Post#898 » by jbsays » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:34 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Interesting information is we are only 2.5 million away from getting out of 1st apron and 8 million away from getting out of tax all together. At this rate I don’t think we’ll be able to shave off Anderson’s contract completely without giving up assets which we will not but could be a chance to trade for less money coming back to get out of the 1st apron. The 1st apron rules kick in when 7 million over the tax line. Originally the Raptors were going to just take him as a asset free addition using there TPE. That looks like it fell through with them agreeing to Ingram deal.


That Ingram deal looks pretty good for them. Unless of course he spends more time off the court than on it due to injury.
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Post#899 » by twix2500 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:43 pm

Has the Heat finalized the trades outside of Wiggins?
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Post#900 » by heater4life » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:45 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Interesting information is we are only 2.5 million away from getting out of 1st apron and 8 million away from getting out of tax all together. At this rate I don’t think we’ll be able to shave off Anderson’s contract completely without giving up assets which we will not but could be a chance to trade for less money coming back to get out of the 1st apron. The 1st apron rules kick in when 7 million over the tax line. Originally the Raptors were going to just take him as a asset free addition using there TPE. That looks like it fell through with them agreeing to Ingram deal.


Wonder if anyone else wants him for free.

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