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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#881 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:29 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:We still need a PG. This team can very easily be pressed/trapped and have zero way of getting into the offense, especially when Herro is the only one that can create his own shot AND he's expected to be the primary handler. That's too much reliance on one player on that side of the ball.

JJJ is not a solution to bringing the ball up the court and starting the offense/creating. Imo, he should not even be starting next year. Jovic is more of a point forward and he is also another floor spacer.

Starting PG/Mitchell
Herro/Powell/Larsson
Jovic/JJJ
Bam/Jovic
Ware/Bam

If Cole 'Anthony comes available I think you jump on that. He's more of a scoring PG, but he is a good enough ball handler to handle a press and to initiate offense. Brogdon can also probably be had for very cheap and is more of a traditional point.

I wish we could have gotten John Collins too. I still think we need more of an actual scoring threat in the front court, even if it's coming off the bench.


Yeah Cole Anthony would be a great add. Just wonder if they already promised Mitchell the starting role

I don't think they did. Nobody out there was offering Mitchell a starting role. He is just happy to have gotten a contract imo. If he wants to be the starter, I'm sure with his personality he is willing to fight for it and show and prove. That's win win for us.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#882 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:30 pm

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We might be stuck with him :(


No biggie.

Just get rid of Rozier and Im super happy bout this offseason.


Agreed--this shouldn't be the last window to trade Wiggins. He was presumably dealing with injury for the last stretch of last season. Refreshed and better acclimated Wiggins may even up his value through early stretch of season. Esp if teams get desperate with their own wing shortcomings.


He was def hampered by that lower body injury.

Im giving his finish to last season a pass.

Hope he has rehabbed and will be at full strength.

We have powered up.

Im excited for this season. Sbould be very entertaining. Thats all I can ask.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#883 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:32 pm

My memory is fuzzy, but didnt we basically trade Josh Richardson for Davion, Wiggs, Powell, Kaspar and 3 ECF appearances?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#884 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:35 pm

I genuinely hope this is all posturing and we do not go into the season with Wiggins still on the roster. He was terrible and is not a good fit. He needs to be somewhere where he can be a 4th option and how he plays has absolutely zero impact on if you win or lose. That's always been his role. That's the opposite of what we need here.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#885 » by dshearn » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:37 pm

carnageta wrote:Jovic
Herro
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Can honestly be our starting lineup. Wiggins checks the opposing PG, Jovic checks the opposing SF.




we all know Bam wants to latch on to some small dude and chase him all over the court.....


zero reason to think other teams would not just hunt Tyler anyway to boot...... I am sure Niko being out there is not going to be the worst thing ever if it was to happen....
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#886 » by Lennyzinho » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:41 pm

MartyCONLONNN wrote:Ya'll going to hate this but we should bring in Horford. He loves Miami as a city and there has been mutual interest several times throughout his career. He would be a solid backup and a great locker room guy. I know it's ick but makes you wonder why he hasnt' already finalized a deal with GSW.


Horford would be AMAZING as a back-up big that can space the floor and proven playoff guy and locker room presence. Hes not coming here tho. Its been pretty widely assumed and reported hes going to GSW or staying in BOS.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#887 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:45 pm

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The Wizards are content to pay him $21 mill next year to sit on the bench and be fat and happy because he’s an expiring. If the Heat want him, because they think he can turn it around and provide vet leadership and backup minutes, they’re gonna have to send back contracts that are also expiring, and I think we only have Rozier left. And I would hope we could get a little more for Rozier than Marcus Smart.

More for Rozier than Marcus Smart? Rozier will be playing in the 3 v 3 next year. Nobody in the league probably views him as nothing more than a buyout expiring contract. He probably cost this team about 10 wins by himself last year.


I mean, Riley did just turn two cap friendly contracts into Norman Powell.

And Wizards are trying to have a crap ton of cap space next year. I don’t see why they would give up Smart.

They might part with him if we throw in Rozier’s expiring with a 2nd rd pick. We would also save money against the cap on the deal to sign a 15th player so it would be well worth it
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#888 » by MartyCONLONNN » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:48 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:More for Rozier than Marcus Smart? Rozier will be playing in the 3 v 3 next year. Nobody in the league probably views him as nothing more than a buyout expiring contract. He probably cost this team about 10 wins by himself last year.


I mean, Riley did just turn two cap friendly contracts into Norman Powell.

And Wizards are trying to have a crap ton of cap space next year. I don’t see why they would give up Smart.

They might part with him if we throw in Rozier’s expiring with a 2nd rd pick. We would also save money against the cap on the deal to sign a 15th player so it would be well worth it


Brad Stevens just has a press conference and said he wasn't coming back. the GSW holdup could just be the Kuminga domino but I'm sure in light of the trade they've reached out. Domenicans love Miami baby
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#889 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:49 pm

Shewasfly wrote:I genuinely hope this is all posturing and we do not go into the season with Wiggins still on the roster. He was terrible and is not a good fit. He needs to be somewhere where he can be a 4th option and how he plays has absolutely zero impact on if you win or lose. That's always been his role. That's the opposite of what we need here.

Honestly would prefer Jaime Jaquez in a sink or swim year as our starting SF. Let him have some freedom like he had in the last game of the year against the Wiz.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#890 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:54 pm

Swapping out Rozier and 2nd for Smart saves us 5 million against the cap. Would leave us with 3.7 mil to fill out the 15th spot on roster.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#891 » by Enso » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:55 pm

I’ve been team smart for a couple years now you can check my post history. Hope we get it done, would love to see him reek havoc on the C’s in a Heat jersey lol you know C’s fans would be seething mrburnsexcellent.gif

For the wigs trade I don’t understand why we don’t do Rui a chittier filler and the first. We still come out on top, Rui is a solid piece and a first is always bueno.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#892 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:58 pm

It would benefit the Wiz to obtain the asset for Smart and just buyout Rozier.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#893 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:00 pm

The Bulls may also tap out with Vucevic and take the 2nd rd pick and buyout Rozier as well. Smart and Vucevic both meet the objective of giving us wiggle room under the tax line to sign that 15th player.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#894 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:01 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:I genuinely hope this is all posturing and we do not go into the season with Wiggins still on the roster. He was terrible and is not a good fit. He needs to be somewhere where he can be a 4th option and how he plays has absolutely zero impact on if you win or lose. That's always been his role. That's the opposite of what we need here.

Honestly would prefer Jaime Jaquez in a sink or swim year as our starting SF. Let him have some freedom like he had in the last game of the year against the Wiz.



Even though I'd rather Jovic over JJJ at SF, I'd also be open to this over keeping Wiggins in a Heat uniform.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

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Post#897 » by SA37 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:10 pm

I'd love for Wiggins to be traded, but it's just hard to see a deal that makes Miami better, at least right now.

I'm still onboard with signing Cole Anthony (assuming he is bought out) and trading Rozier + asset for Vucevic OR Rozier for Zach Collins and filler.

Ware / Vucevic (or Collins)
Bam / Jovic
Wiggins / Highsmith / Jaquez
Herro / Powell / Larsson
Mitchell / Anthony / Smith / Kasparas
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#898 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:13 pm

It’s looking more and more likely that Wiggins is going to stay unless the Lakers pony up. Once the Clippers traded for Collins that put another suitor out of the running. Lakers are the only team that truly makes sense to go after Wiggins. Wiggins has every bit of motivation to play well this year under his opt in contract.
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Post#899 » by Hallstar » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:14 pm

Cole Anthony would be a nice fill in as a vet pg that's still young
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#900 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:21 pm

SA37 wrote:I'd love for Wiggins to be traded, but it's just hard to see a deal that makes Miami better, at least right now.

I'm still onboard with signing Cole Anthony (assuming he is bought out) and trading Rozier + asset for Vucevic OR Rozier for Zach Collins and filler.

Ware / Vucevic (or Collins)
Bam / Jovic
Wiggins / Highsmith / Jaquez
Herro / Powell / Larsson
Mitchell / Anthony / Smith / Kasparas

I agree looking up and down depth charts. Wiggins looks like he’s here to stay. And i’ve been beating the drum of needing to trade him. I just don’t see a fit that gets us anything better unless we are just looking for the cap space then that puts a team like the Wiz in play with Middleton’s expiring. Hachimura is not even a good fit here with the current construct. Definitely don’t want to run him out at SF and our front court rotation needs Center depth.

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