Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread

[GameTime_3]

The reason why you can't amnesty Miller is 2014 Free Agency. Ray Allen & Shane are close to retirement and it sounds like both will retire after next year. With limited cap space next year once we resign the BIG 3, it would be key for us to have MM to hold us over for a year. It took 2 years to get Ray, Shane, Bird and it till take 2 years to replace Shane, Ray & Bird the second time around.

sammy d will go to mavs if they are in serious pursuit. hell get a ridiculous offer from cuban just to spite us. teams that were most interested in oden are sas,cleveland and miami.

cleveland getting bynum eliminates oden from contention IMO. i think duncan can be a good mentor for oden but miami is also an ideal fit for him here. if we were patient with eddy curry you better believe well be patient with oden.

miller as sad as it is has to be amnestied. unless arison is just so baller like that and decides to keep him and offload him as an expiring in 14-15.

if we do go the amnesty route though look for varnado and ennis to make the cut with oden coming in for howard

we won a chip with bosh at the C with a franchise record in wins. people are acting like this team is broken. an addition of oden to play spot minutes (against the bigs like lopez,hibbert,duncan) will be great for us

chalmers/cole
wade/allen
james/battier/ennis/jones
haslem/varnado/lewis
bosh/birdman/oden/anthony

im more than fine with this

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

You do? Because it seems like all you do is whine about how old we are, all the time. Every offseason. Every signing we make leads to all these young guys who would compliment them perfectly (like Trey Thompkins) or about how the signing was too old. It gets tiresome. We're not rebuilding. If we were, you'd have a point. We're not. We're pushing for a three peat. Dynasty. Your projects belong in Sioux Falls, not Miami.

I'm definitely feeling u on the crazy factor and I'm totally on board with u about needing to get younger! The thing about Miami though is u already know we won't play a young guy ahead of a vet. Cole could be further along if we put more stock in talented youth. So it's going to be extremely important that we use our new D-League venture to develop the young talent that we value. Point guard, shooting guard and Center are all major needs moving forward. I think Pat knows that fully, which is why I believe that we have two SL teams this year.

I still see the Heat reserving their open spots for vets like Odom, Artest & Dalembert first and foremost for this season. I think it's championship or bust for this season just like last season.

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The quotes in red is why I told you to read through the thread. Reading comprehension goes a long way. And please tell me who I've complained about being too old every offseason? I would love to hear it!!!

The youth you're describing isn't in the league. You keep talking about guys who no other team has seen fit to pick up and saying they're the answer to all our problems. You've done it for years. Why do you think Trey Thompkins saves this team? Why is he a better fit than James Ennis, Norris Cole, and Jarvis Varnado? Honestly, that's rhetorical so don't answer it, I won't read the response. See the fact is, your response doesn't matter. Miami isn't really going to waste their time developing guys with no shot at the league at this point. Ennis might get stashed overseas, and Varnado is about as likely to earn playing time as you are. Unless these kids are NBA ready, posses a skill or attribute that we don't already have, or is a blue chip prospect with tons of upside that we got at a bargain rate, they don't belong in Miami.

Please show me where I said anybody was the answer to our problems! The guys I've mentioned are being mentioned to replace our vets in the future. I'm almost sure every guy mentioned has been mentioned as a future prospect. I'm thinking about stashing highly skilled, highly athletic guys who aren't drafted or second round picks in our folds, whether that's overseas, D-League or end of the bench. I know for a fact the Heat ain't playing no young cats in this Championship run. In fact I said it in this thread.

I don't care about Haslem one way or the other at this point. If it were up to me, he'd be a bench player, getting 10 minutes a night only when we needed him. I'd like us to target a new power player in free agency, 4 or 5 doesn't matter, just as long as they're tough. Someone who can compliment Bosh's game. Someone smart, fiery, and willing to do some heavy lifting.

As for your prospects, I don't care what they want. They don't belong here. Personally, I don't think Varnado belongs here. I think we should have gone after a veteran with that spot. I'm thrilled with Cole, don't get me wrong, and I'd be thrilled with any youth that could come in and contribute instantly and fill a need, but to me Varnado is a waste here. We need someone who can come in and do what Rashard Lewis, James Jones, Mike Miller, and even Juwan Howard have done. Sit and wait...but when called upon...contribute. Your young guys can't do that. No need for them...

Oh you don't care about Haslem, but you went out your way to mention him where it wasn't even relevant? Gotcha...

And for the record I've been mentioning vets as real roster possibilities. Guys like, Odom, Dalembert and most recently mentioned Artest. I want us to stack the deck with a many guys that have tread on their tires that are in our price range. Because lord knows we need as many options as possible to give Spo.

[Altered_Beast]

if the big 3 use their ETOS and sign similar contracts again wed be able to afford a player better than miller.

the salary cap for 2014-2015 is projected to be 62.1 million and 75.7 million for luxury tax.

for this season the heat are projected to be 14 million over the luxury threshold due to the awful rashard/joel/miller and haslem contracts. after next season youd expect wade and bosh are not going to be worth the same they did 3 years ago. lebron is one of the only the only players worth the max IMO.

for 14-15 we have cole coming back on a team option (2.15 million) and lets say haslem uses his player option (4.62 million). this is all hypothetical so lets be optimistic and assume varnado and ennis make the final cuts this season. varnado has the option to use his qualifying offer (1.11 mil) and ennis would get the minimum as well (1.11 mil)

thats 8.9 million out of the 75.7 threshold we are optimistically presuming are going to be on our roster come july 10 2014. wade should not get anymore than 17 a year for 5 year (and i doubt any team offers him more than that) lets say chris bosh also gets a 5 year 17 per. lebron will take a smal cut and take 19 a year for 5 years.

thats roughly 62 million for 7 players. in essence we have about 14 million before we go over the projected luxury threshold for that season.

mind you arison has gone about 30 million dollars over the cap this last season

you think we wont be able to land some quality talent with about 40 million dollars? just gtta be more like the spurs

tl;dr
my terrible math makes some projections to illustrate how we have nothing to worry about 14-15

[Heat_Fan_87]

if the big 3 use their ETOS and sign similar contracts again wed be able to afford a player better than miller.

the salary cap for 2014-2015 is projected to be 62.1 million and 75.7 million for luxury tax.

for this season the heat are projected to be 14 million over the luxury threshold due to the awful rashard/joel/miller and haslem contracts. after next season youd expect wade and bosh are not going to be worth the same they did 3 years ago. lebron is one of the only the only players worth the max IMO.

for 14-15 we have cole coming back on a team option (2.15 million) and lets say haslem uses his player option (4.62 million). this is all hypothetical so lets be optimistic and assume varnado and ennis make the final cuts this season. varnado has the option to use his qualifying offer (1.11 mil) and ennis would get the minimum as well (1.11 mil)

thats 8.9 million out of the 75.7 threshold we are optimistically presuming are going to be on our roster come july 10 2014. wade should not get anymore than 17 a year for 5 year (and i doubt any team offers him more than that) lets say chris bosh also gets a 5 year 17 per. lebron will take a smal cut and take 19 a year for 5 years.

thats roughly 62 million for 7 players. in essence we have about 14 million before we go over the projected luxury threshold for that season.

mind you arison has gone about 30 million dollars over the cap this last season

you think we wont be able to land some quality talent with about 40 million dollars? just gtta be more like the spurs

tl;dr
my terrible math makes some projections to illustrate how we have nothing to worry about 14-15

what?

Even if the best scenario were to happen the most we could spend is 5mil dollars on a player. I think you need to read up on the CBA. www.cbafaq.com

[Altered_Beast]

if the big 3 use their ETOS and sign similar contracts again wed be able to afford a player better than miller.

the salary cap for 2014-2015 is projected to be 62.1 million and 75.7 million for luxury tax.

for this season the heat are projected to be 14 million over the luxury threshold due to the awful rashard/joel/miller and haslem contracts. after next season youd expect wade and bosh are not going to be worth the same they did 3 years ago. lebron is one of the only the only players worth the max IMO.

for 14-15 we have cole coming back on a team option (2.15 million) and lets say haslem uses his player option (4.62 million). this is all hypothetical so lets be optimistic and assume varnado and ennis make the final cuts this season. varnado has the option to use his qualifying offer (1.11 mil) and ennis would get the minimum as well (1.11 mil)

thats 8.9 million out of the 75.7 threshold we are optimistically presuming are going to be on our roster come july 10 2014. wade should not get anymore than 17 a year for 5 year (and i doubt any team offers him more than that) lets say chris bosh also gets a 5 year 17 per. lebron will take a smal cut and take 19 a year for 5 years.

thats roughly 62 million for 7 players. in essence we have about 14 million before we go over the projected luxury threshold for that season.

mind you arison has gone about 30 million dollars over the cap this last season

you think we wont be able to land some quality talent with about 40 million dollars? just gtta be more like the spurs

tl;dr
my terrible math makes some projections to illustrate how we have nothing to worry about 14-15

what?

Even if the best scenario were to happen the most we could spend is 5mil dollars on a player. I think you need to read up on the CBA. http://www.cbafaq.com

we are spending over 85 million this coming season alone. the cap is set to 58.something million. wade/bosh/lebrons contracts alone are over 56 million. maybe you need to re-read the cba. im taking luxury into account. how do you think the lakers were able spend almost 99 million this season when the cap is set to 58?

[LikeABosh]

Shard is on a terrible contract? News to me

Mavs interested in Oden. Funny how that happens

[dolphinatik]

isnt there some use it or lose it policy in the nba now? Teams have to spend their money up to close to the cap or they will not qualify for other cap incentives. If Dallas has money they will use it on Oden for a year or two. Good this is Steimsma is still out there and so is dally and they are better prospects right now. Nobody know what Oden still has.

[orangeparka]

Mavs pursuing Oden as well. Really ****ing us up lol.

[HEATVols865]

We'll get either Oden or Dalembert, whichever one the Mavs don't sign. Either way I'm good.


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[dolphinatik]

Free agent Centers still available:

Aldrich, Cole C 24 3 UFA Kings
Collins, Jason C 34 12 UFA Wizards
Dalembert, Samuel C 32 12 UFA Bucks
Diop, DeSagana C 31 12 UFA Bobcats
Mozgov, Timofey C 26 3 RFA Nuggets
Petro, Johan C 27 8 UFA Hawks
Przybilla, Joel C 33 13 UFA Bucks
Turiaf, Ronny C 30 8 UFA Clippers
Oden, Greg C 25 UFA Portland
Mullens, Byron C/PF 24 4 UFA Bobcats


I think Mullens is worth a shot if Oden flakes on us. Petro is a big guy also.

[weouthere]

I like Mullens but he loves to camp out and shoot 3s

[weouthere]

isnt there some use it or lose it policy in the nba now? Teams have to spend their money up to close to the cap or they will not qualify for other cap incentives. If Dallas money they will use it on Oden for a year or two. Good this is Steimsma is still out there and so is dally and they are better prospects right now. Nobody know what Oden still has.

Steimsma is signed

[Pure_Basketball]

Save a spot for Ennis we need youth? Ffs you don't need youth if the player sucks. I would rather have a veteran who can do something, Ennis is crap, can't even do well in the summer league he's not going to be a player in the NBA. People are so thick if they think what the Heat need right now is to hoard 2nd touch pick scrubs instead of topping up on veterans.

[CablexDeadpool]

Save a spot for Ennis we need youth? Ffs you don't need youth if the player sucks. I would rather have a veteran who can do something, Ennis is crap, can't even do well in the summer league he's not going to be a player in the NBA. People are so thick if they think what the Heat need right now is to hoard 2nd touch pick scrubs instead of topping up on veterans.

Vets that the Heat can't afford right now because they spent all their money on Vets already and is the reason why they are over the cap.

And 2nd round picks are cheap.

[Pure_Basketball]

Save a spot for Ennis we need youth? Ffs you don't need youth if the player sucks. I would rather have a veteran who can do something, Ennis is crap, can't even do well in the summer league he's not going to be a player in the NBA. People are so thick if they think what the Heat need right now is to hoard 2nd touch pick scrubs instead of topping up on veterans.

Vets that the Heat can't afford right now because they spent all their money on Vets already and is the reason why they are over the cap.

And 2nd round picks are cheap.

They're cheap for a reason, stats show that about 5% or less pan out to be in the NBA for longer than 2 years. Vets can be had for the veteran minimum, which is anywhere from 1 milllion to 1.5 million. They can actually help us compete for the title this year, and whilst I think Lebron will stay, winning a title potentially could be the difference in him staying or going.

[HIF]

If Mike Miller is amnestied, I would think you let James Jones take his spot in the rotation and use the open roster spot on a young guy like Ennis. Then use Howard's open roster spot on another young guy, like Oden.

exactly what I'd do.

[BBallFreak]

Big Dee,

You've been talking about prospects as long as I've known you. All you've ever done in the postseason is deride the team's signings because they're too old. Now I'm supposed to buy that you want nothing but vets? Sorry but I'm not buying it. That's a total 360 for you.

And Haslem was extremely relevant because you brought up Wade. I also brought up Rio in that same context, but I don't hear you complaining about that. I was not effusive of Haslem's contributions to the team, nor did I mention him more than Rio or Wade. When you incorrectly said that Wade was the only youth Miami ever used while in contention, I pointed out two players that we had used that also fit the youth/contention paradigm. Yes, Haslem was one of them. Tell me how he wasn't relevant...

[RexBoyWonder]

Too many stupid posts in these last couple of pages.

I'll just say we NEED to get Oden or Dalembert and hope whoever we get will work out well.

After that, I'd like us to buy out JJ and plug in Ennis or Clark. But that's a less important move.

[LeonFunkN]

I think all this hush about Oden is good for the Heat. With his history I don't see any team going out of their way to pay him more than the Vet minimum.

Why not come to a championship contender, one known for keeping players relatively injury free? The Heat have an amazing training staff, I believe we are still the front runners.

[Heat_Fan_87]

if the big 3 use their ETOS and sign similar contracts again wed be able to afford a player better than miller.

the salary cap for 2014-2015 is projected to be 62.1 million and 75.7 million for luxury tax.

for this season the heat are projected to be 14 million over the luxury threshold due to the awful rashard/joel/miller and haslem contracts. after next season youd expect wade and bosh are not going to be worth the same they did 3 years ago. lebron is one of the only the only players worth the max IMO.

for 14-15 we have cole coming back on a team option (2.15 million) and lets say haslem uses his player option (4.62 million). this is all hypothetical so lets be optimistic and assume varnado and ennis make the final cuts this season. varnado has the option to use his qualifying offer (1.11 mil) and ennis would get the minimum as well (1.11 mil)

thats 8.9 million out of the 75.7 threshold we are optimistically presuming are going to be on our roster come july 10 2014. wade should not get anymore than 17 a year for 5 year (and i doubt any team offers him more than that) lets say chris bosh also gets a 5 year 17 per. lebron will take a smal cut and take 19 a year for 5 years.

thats roughly 62 million for 7 players. in essence we have about 14 million before we go over the projected luxury threshold for that season.

mind you arison has gone about 30 million dollars over the cap this last season

you think we wont be able to land some quality talent with about 40 million dollars? just gtta be more like the spurs

tl;dr
my terrible math makes some projections to illustrate how we have nothing to worry about 14-15

what?

Even if the best scenario were to happen the most we could spend is 5mil dollars on a player. I think you need to read up on the CBA. http://www.cbafaq.com

we are spending over 85 million this coming season alone. the cap is set to 58.something million. wade/bosh/lebrons contracts alone are over 56 million. maybe you need to re-read the cba. im taking luxury into account. how do you think the lakers were able spend almost 99 million this season when the cap is set to 58?

because they have guys making 20mil a season...btw, the lakers payroll this upcoming season is going to be right about the same as ours.

And the bold confirms to me that you really need to read up on the CBA lol

You cant just spend whatever you want. There are rules. lol.