Game 8 : 11/12 - Pacers @ Heat 7:30PM - ESPN

TRG · Post #901 » by **TRG** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:39 am

This game just confirmed what we already knew heading into this season: our PGs suck and we have no interior rebounding/defense.

Post #902 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:40 am

UD4MVP wrote:Rio and NoCo combine for like 15 shots a game, I don't like this because it barely gives any opportunity for Napier (who's averaging like 3 shots a game.) Napier turning out to be a quality starting pg would be big for this retool we're going through. With limited shot opportunities I'm worried he will lose his confidence as a scorer, which was one of his strengths coming out of college. The kid is gonna make rookie mistakes but it's something we'll have to live with. We know what we're getting from Rio and NoCo, let's fast-track Shabazz's development.

Shabazz was great defensively this game... people said he sucked but he really turned it on

got rebounds when needed even

I'd rather have him play at the end and live with the outcome, than to see Rio throw **** at the screen

Cole actually played well this game... but he is not our future.

gom · Post #903 » by **gom** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:40 am

IggieCC wrote:
Maroko wrote:THANK YOU SPOTARD FOR RUINING MY WINNING GAMETHREAD

I WILL NEVER RECOGNIZE YOU AS A GREAT COACH

Told you it needed more boobies and asses for lucky charming. Better luck next time dude (and more boobs)

We didn't do our part for sure. We needed rule34 orc porn.

UD4MVP · Post #904 » by **UD4MVP** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:42 am

Also, I don't like that Bosh didn't attack Hibberts feet on offense. Bosh tends to have horrible games against Indiana, cause we gameplan him to just take Hibbert out the paint. Hibbert doesn't have to the mobility to guard Bosh off the dribble. Today's game reminded me of the past few years when we would struggle against them, but basically we just didn't have a Lebron today.

HEYMANQueHoraEs · Post #905 » by **HEYMANQueHoraEs** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:44 am

UD4MVP wrote:Also, I don't like that Bosh didn't attack Hibberts feet on offense. Bosh tends to have horrible games against Indiana, cause we gameplan him to just take Hibbert out the paint. Hibbert doesn't have to the mobility to guard Bosh off the dribble. Today's game reminded me of the past few years when we would struggle against them, but basically we just didn't have a Lebron today.

Yeah except we dont have Lebron and they are missing 4 starters

Post #906 » by **IggieCC** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:45 am

TRG wrote:This game just confirmed what we already knew heading into this season: our PGs suck and we have no interior rebounding/defense.

The worst part is that among Cole, Chalmers, and Napier, we are trotting at least 2 of them out there for the majority of the game like it's a brilliant idea. Like something we should be proud of and need sporting them to the world.

Hide them as much as possible man!

HEYMANQueHoraEs · Post #907 » by **HEYMANQueHoraEs** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:45 am

this is me right now

UD4MVP · Post #908 » by **UD4MVP** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:48 am

TooManyClocks wrote:
UD4MVP wrote:Also, I don't like that Bosh didn't attack Hibberts feet on offense. Bosh tends to have horrible games against Indiana, cause we gameplan him to just take Hibbert out the paint. Hibbert doesn't have to the mobility to guard Bosh off the dribble. Today's game reminded me of the past few years when we would struggle against them, but basically we just didn't have a Lebron today.

Yeah except we dont have Lebron and they are missing 4 starters

Yea that's the most embarrassing part, I was hoping this team wouldn't play down to the competition. We smack Dallas at their place, and then get embarrassed by Indiana at ours..
Hopefully this doesn't become a trend.

Post #909 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:48 am

IggieCC wrote:
TRG wrote:This game just confirmed what we already knew heading into this season: our PGs suck and we have no interior rebounding/defense.

The worst part is that among Cole, Chalmers, and Napier, we are trotting at least 2 of them out there for the majority of the game like it's a brilliant idea. Like something we should be proud of and need sporting them to the world.

Hide them as much as possible man!

the 3 guard line up only works in Phoenix

everyone else trying to do it and it's sucking

I hate this phenom. Small ball is killing us. Spo usually gets a handle on things way before everyone else sees it so... hopefully in due time when we trade Cole or even Rio, we get big line ups.

Post #910 » by **IggieCC** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:51 am

DefenseWins wrote:
IggieCC wrote:
TRG wrote:This game just confirmed what we already knew heading into this season: our PGs suck and we have no interior rebounding/defense.

The worst part is that among Cole, Chalmers, and Napier, we are trotting at least 2 of them out there for the majority of the game like it's a brilliant idea. Like something we should be proud of and need sporting them to the world.

Hide them as much as possible man!

the 3 guard line up only works in Phoenix

everyone else trying to do it and it's sucking

I hate this phenom. Small ball is killing us. Spo usually gets a handle on things way before everyone else sees it so... hopefully in due time when we trade Cole or even Rio, we get big line ups.

Phoenix have quality guards. It's delusional to think that it will work as well with what we have which are borderline jokes of PGs lol.

Today is a big time small ball failing. And it happens to happen a lot against teams which are good on boards. Annoying as hell! Spo needs to be more flexible, that's for sure.

MisterHibachi · Post #911 » by **MisterHibachi** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:55 am

That rebounding stat is ugly. Beat them in pretty much every category except for rebounds.

UD4MVP · Post #912 » by **UD4MVP** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:56 am

DefenseWins wrote:
IggieCC wrote:
TRG wrote:This game just confirmed what we already knew heading into this season: our PGs suck and we have no interior rebounding/defense.

The worst part is that among Cole, Chalmers, and Napier, we are trotting at least 2 of them out there for the majority of the game like it's a brilliant idea. Like something we should be proud of and need sporting them to the world.

Hide them as much as possible man!

the 3 guard line up only works in Phoenix

everyone else trying to do it and it's sucking

I hate this phenom. Small ball is killing us. Spo usually gets a handle on things way before everyone else sees it so... hopefully in due time when we trade Cole or even Rio, we get big line ups.

I don't think we'll be able to get a starting quality piece through trade this year, we just don't have the trade assets. Hopefully we trade those guys to take a flier on a big whos of the birdman role/type but basically young.
Like the suns traded Scola for two guys at the time who weren't proven commodities in Gerald Green and Plumlee, and that trade turned out to be great for them. I'm just damn tired of throwing out 3 guard lineups man..

HEYMANQueHoraEs · Post #913 » by **HEYMANQueHoraEs** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:57 am

UD4MVP wrote:
TooManyClocks wrote:
UD4MVP wrote:Also, I don't like that Bosh didn't attack Hibberts feet on offense. Bosh tends to have horrible games against Indiana, cause we gameplan him to just take Hibbert out the paint. Hibbert doesn't have to the mobility to guard Bosh off the dribble. Today's game reminded me of the past few years when we would struggle against them, but basically we just didn't have a Lebron today.

Yeah except we dont have Lebron and they are missing 4 starters

Yea that's the most embarrassing part, I was hoping this team wouldn't play down to the competition. We smack Dallas at their place, and then get embarrassed by Indiana at ours..
Hopefully this doesn't become a trend.

Pretty much. I don't mind getting beat by a better team but putting up turds like tonight are just infuriating to watch. There was that one stretch at the end of the fourth where we tied it up and then just went full Chalmers. You never go full Chalmers :nonono:

Post #914 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:03 am

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/m ... 92637.html

"Bosh shredding label of being soft player". This came out today lol

when our team gets hyped up and players, we lose... they get high off of their early success and get hit with reality

smh

Post #915 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:07 am

UD4MVP wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:
IggieCC wrote:The worst part is that among Cole, Chalmers, and Napier, we are trotting at least 2 of them out there for the majority of the game like it's a brilliant idea. Like something we should be proud of and need sporting them to the world.

Hide them as much as possible man!

the 3 guard line up only works in Phoenix

everyone else trying to do it and it's sucking

I hate this phenom. Small ball is killing us. Spo usually gets a handle on things way before everyone else sees it so... hopefully in due time when we trade Cole or even Rio, we get big line ups.

I don't think we'll be able to get a starting quality piece through trade this year, we just don't have the trade assets. Hopefully we trade those guys to take a flier on a big whos of the birdman role/type but basically young.
Like the suns traded Scola for two guys at the time who weren't proven commodities in Gerald Green and Plumlee, and that trade turned out to be great for them. I'm just damn tired of throwing out 3 guard lineups man..

well... we had Birch in our hands and gave it up for 2 guys who aren't seeing the floor. Our big man rotation is injury prone. I still don't understand, but oh well. And true, that happened with Jordan Hill as well. Also Ed Davis would have been nice... he signed for a 1mil with the Lakers... idk if we went after him. If not, thats a shame too

Slot Machine · Post #916 » by **Slot Machine** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:10 am

Speolstra should be screaming at the team in the locker room after the game. That effort was absolutely abhorrent. This team is nowhere near good enough to mail in a game like that and win.

If Bosh wants to play like a little bitch on both sides of the ball, take his ass out. Dude was too shook to dribble at Hibbert, played atrocious defense and decided he didn't want to rebound. Disgusting. Deng got torched off the dribble by whatever scrub he was guarding every time and in general, the entire team minus one or two guys should be ashamed of themselves.

Slot Machine · Post #917 » by **Slot Machine** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:12 am

There is absolutely zero excuse for the effort tonight. Every single person on their team outworked us and other than Hibbert, it wasn't even size just a matter of actually caring. This team needs every a single game.

I'm pissed.

Slot Machine · Post #918 » by **Slot Machine** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:15 am

DayofMourning wrote:
Maroko wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/EthanJSkolnick/status/532735684592021504[/tweet]

CoolD nailed it. We play Howard, we lose. We play Jefferson, we lose. We play Hibbert, we lose. We need some size. We got out rebounded by all three, and our last two losses we were ravaged on the boards. Small ball is for the birds.

This loss wasn't about smallball. Solomon **** Hill got 10 boards against us. Donald Sloan got 6. Lavoy Allen got a ton. None of those guys are huge.

UD4MVP · Post #919 » by **UD4MVP** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:16 am

DefenseWins wrote:
UD4MVP wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:

the 3 guard line up only works in Phoenix

everyone else trying to do it and it's sucking

I hate this phenom. Small ball is killing us. Spo usually gets a handle on things way before everyone else sees it so... hopefully in due time when we trade Cole or even Rio, we get big line ups.

I don't think we'll be able to get a starting quality piece through trade this year, we just don't have the trade assets. Hopefully we trade those guys to take a flier on a big whos of the birdman role/type but basically young.
Like the suns traded Scola for two guys at the time who weren't proven commodities in Gerald Green and Plumlee, and that trade turned out to be great for them. I'm just damn tired of throwing out 3 guard lineups man..

well... we had Birch in our hands and gave it up for 2 guys who aren't seeing the floor. Our big man rotation is injury prone. I still don't understand, but oh well. And true, that happened with Jordan Hill as well. Also Ed Davis would have been nice... he signed for a 1mil with the Lakers... idk if we went after him. If not, thats a shame too

Oh man I really wanted Ed Davis on this team. Maybe he just really wanted to play in LA because I know for sure other teams would be willing to pay him more than 1 freaking million for his abilities. Maybe a guy whos an expiring like Perkins could be an option.. Adams has supplanted him as a starter and I actually think Rio is better than some of the perimeter guys they've been forced to throw out there with all their injuries. Whoever it is, it just has to be a guy who's physical and has energy and the potential to be a good role player for us like Birdman in the beginning.

Post #920 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:25 am

Btw, while yes this was a game where we got our asses handled on the glass, this is the 3rd where we stopped our ball movement. And it results in a loss. Our 3 lowest assist games have been losses.

I truly believe they could have won this game if they moved the ball, even with everyone stinking it up.

Wade just said "But we have to have moments like this to see what works for us".

Rio not tryna be a hero at the end would be nice. I wouldn't mind a Rio 3, but him trying to pass the ball (turn over on fastbreak to McBob) and be a hero (offensive foul with 1 min left) isn't exactly ideal. Give the ball to Wade/Bosh. Especially Wade man.

Also our ball movement stops when there are big guys dominating us... a lot of that has to do with Bosh. He tries to go at them and it stalls the offense... don't have hard evidence on it but from the eye test thats what it looks like.