MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[Hallstar]

While we're having the uncomfortable conversations, when is enough gonna be enough with the Heat Captain that hasn't been a rotation player in 6 years? Dudes been out of the rotation for longer than the majority of NBA careers.

[Dr_Heat]

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Jlop about to explode once he reads that. Oof

[_GH0ST_]

If Bam doesn't learn the three point shot this summer Drummond, Adams and his derivatives will never be taken.

If this happens, Spoelstra will use him as a backup for Bam in rotation.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

So we need a pure scorer, a playmaking PG and a PF that can fit with Bam

I'm still holding out hope that internal improvement can address the 1st need and make the other 2 much easier to attain. If Butler and Bam can merely become mediocre outside shooters after a summer of work, and Herro can evolve his game during the first real offseason of his career, then the offense would open up immensely and suddenly the need to bring in a pure scorer isn't as pressing. Would also allow us to devote more resources to finding a PG and the list of viable PF options becomes significantly longer

[AirP.]

So we need a pure scorer, a playmaking PG and a PF that can fit with Bam

I'm still holding out hope that internal improvement can address the 1st need and make the other 2 much easier to attain. If Butler and Bam can merely become mediocre outside shooters after an offseason of work, and Herro can evolve his game during the first real offseason of his career, then the offense would open up immensely and suddenly the need to bring in a pure scorer isn't as pressing. Would also allow us to devote more resources to finding a PG and the list of viable PF options becomes significantly longer

Butler's been around league average for 3pt% most of his career, even with his 2 horrible seasons in Miami his career 3pt% is near 33%. The question should be why has he dropped greatly in his 3pt% in Miami. One answer would be that he's not playing with a true starting PG, another possible answer may be because he's not looking for his own 3pt shot, he's looking to facilitate, even at point blank range he's looking to pass to someone else.

I also wonder that since his role has become facilitator in Miami that he's not worked on maintaining his 3pt shot as much as in the past and instead worked on his midrange more.

[MettaWorldPanda]

While we're having the uncomfortable conversations, when is enough gonna be enough with the Heat Captain that hasn't been a rotation player in 6 years? Dudes been out of the rotation for longer than the majority of NBA careers.

He comes off as gaming the system at this point and it’s starting to become a running joke. Give that roster spot to someone deserving. Why would he ever retire when the Heat keep giving him 2.5 million at the expense of hitting the lotto on a developmental player or rostering a veteran who can actually play. Get him in the front office or coach. Problem for Haslem is it’s not going to be 2.5 million. Love everything he’s done for this franchise but don’t become the league meme. I understand he likes to boast about what great shape he’s in and people doubting him but it all seems like fluff to keep getting Riley to pay him that 2.5. He should have been out of the league at minimum 4 years ago. Are we that desperate of a bunch that we need to pay 2.5 million to a 41 year old to enforce culture and work ethic? Maybe we do need an overhaul of the coaching staff.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I'm convinced UD is Riley's locker room mole and that's why he's still officially employed as a "player" lol

[AirP.]

While we're having the uncomfortable conversations, when is enough gonna be enough with the Heat Captain that hasn't been a rotation player in 6 years? Dudes been out of the rotation for longer than the majority of NBA careers.

He comes off as gaming the system at this point and it’s starting to become a running joke. Give that roster spot to someone deserving. Why would he ever retire when the Heat keep giving him 2.5 million at the expense of hitting the lotto on a developmental player or rostering a veteran who can actually play. Get him in the front office or coach. Problem for Haslem is it’s not going to be 2.5 million. Love everything he’s done for this franchise but don’t become the league meme. I understand he likes to boast about what great shape he’s in and people doubting him but it all seems like fluff to keep getting Riley to pay him that 2.5. He should have been out of the league at minimum 4 years ago.

Maybe because the most he ever made in his career was 7.1 million? He's been playing since 2003 and has made just over 65 million in that time. In the next 4 years Duncan may make more then Haslem has made his entire career which is almost 2 decades long.

[contract]

While we're having the uncomfortable conversations, when is enough gonna be enough with the Heat Captain that hasn't been a rotation player in 6 years? Dudes been out of the rotation for longer than the majority of NBA careers.

He comes off as gaming the system at this point and it’s starting to become a running joke. Give that roster spot to someone deserving. Why would he ever retire when the Heat keep giving him 2.5 million at the expense of hitting the lotto on a developmental player or rostering a veteran who can actually play. Get him in the front office or coach. Problem for Haslem is it’s not going to be 2.5 million. Love everything he’s done for this franchise but don’t become the league meme. I understand he likes to boast about what great shape he’s in and people doubting him but it all seems like fluff to keep getting Riley to pay him that 2.5. He should have been out of the league at minimum 4 years ago.

Maybe because the most he ever made in his career was 7.1 million? He's been playing since 2003 and has made just over 65 million in that time. In the next 4 years Duncan may make more then Haslem has made his entire career which is almost 2 decades long.

So what? He was never that good.

[DayofMourning]

While we're having the uncomfortable conversations, when is enough gonna be enough with the Heat Captain that hasn't been a rotation player in 6 years? Dudes been out of the rotation for longer than the majority of NBA careers.

He comes off as gaming the system at this point and it’s starting to become a running joke. Give that roster spot to someone deserving. Why would he ever retire when the Heat keep giving him 2.5 million at the expense of hitting the lotto on a developmental player or rostering a veteran who can actually play. Get him in the front office or coach. Problem for Haslem is it’s not going to be 2.5 million. Love everything he’s done for this franchise but don’t become the league meme. I understand he likes to boast about what great shape he’s in and people doubting him but it all seems like fluff to keep getting Riley to pay him that 2.5. He should have been out of the league at minimum 4 years ago. Are we that desperate of a bunch that we need to pay 2.5 million to a 41 year old to enforce culture and work ethic? Maybe we do need an overhaul of the coaching staff.

My understanding is that these contracts he keeps getting were to reward him for passing up more money earlier in his career. Would a staff position pay that? Is it financed differently. I don't know tbh.

[Kobewade11]

Ah, we're at that point of the summer already..the annual UD-summit. I think he'll finally decide to hang them up, but its hardly a concern of mine. People make a mockery out of it but his leadership in the bubble was instrumental in the best run this team has had in the post 3 big era. I can appreciate him feeling a need to come back this year in his "player-advisor" role to try to see this team over the top but it just didn't work out. I also appreciate him sticking around when LeSnake was backdoor recruiting vets to take back to Cleveland, it would have been easy to ring chase but he chose to stay. So I don't personally care about him continuing to cash checks but I do believe that mixup with Dwight was the last we'll see of him in an NBA uniform.

[TroubleS0me]

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[AirP.]

Quick question... does anyone think it would be a good risk to to acquire Marvin Bagley? He seemed to show promise his rookie year under Dave Joerger, they switched to Luke Walton his second year, had multiple injuries(fractured thumb he suffered on opening night and a nagging foot sprain he suffered in December). This season his dad requested a trade for his son on twitter which seems to indicate Marvin not happy in Sacramento and with that, possibly dogging it much like Blake was because he was bad defensively.

The good version of Marvin Bagley III would be solid big to have next to Bam.

With how Miami conducts their business and pushes hard work and staying in great shape, to me it seems like a great environment to try to get a younger player's who have talent but haven't really turned out how they were expected to turn out.

I would think getting players who have talent that have been disappointing so far in the NBA would be a good risk for a team like Miami who pushes hard work and staying in shape. I wouldn't mind seeing Miami try to resurrect DSJ's career although Detroit may be doing that for him.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Quick question... does anyone think it would be a good risk to to acquire Marvin Bagley? He seemed to show promise his rookie year under Dave Joerger, they switched to Luke Walton his second year, had multiple injuries(fractured thumb he suffered on opening night and a nagging foot sprain he suffered in December). This season his dad requested a trade for his son on twitter which seems to indicate Marvin not happy in Sacramento and with that, possibly dogging it much like Blake was because he was bad defensively.

The good version of Marvin Bagley III would be solid big to have next to Bam.

With how Miami conducts their business and pushes hard work and staying in great shape, to me it seems like a great environment to try to get a younger player's who have talent but haven't really turned out how they were expected to turn out.

I've been intrigued with Bagley's potential since he got drafted and don't completely blame him for being unable to develop in Sacramento. But the injuries are concerning, especially since he's not yet evidenced the ability to play at a high level (compared to guys like Dipo and Porzingis). And he'll be up for an extension after next season, which could be good or bad: good if it motivates him to turn the corner and bad if he gets injured again and then we're left wondering what to do with him

I suppose if we could get him for peanuts then it'd be worth it to try him out for a year but I kinda think Sacramento would demand assets for him in order to somewhat save face for picking him #2 behind Ayton in a draft that then produced Luka, Trae, SGA, MPJ, JJJ, Bridges, Sexton, etc. The Kings are exactly the type of dumb organization to fall victim to sunk cost fallacy and be stubborn with Bagley trades even at the expense of foregoing the opportunity to get at least something for him

[Kobewade11]

Quick question... does anyone think it would be a good risk to to acquire Marvin Bagley? He seemed to show promise his rookie year under Dave Joerger, they switched to Luke Walton his second year, had multiple injuries(fractured thumb he suffered on opening night and a nagging foot sprain he suffered in December). This season his dad requested a trade for his son on twitter which seems to indicate Marvin not happy in Sacramento and with that, possibly dogging it much like Blake was because he was bad defensively.

The good version of Marvin Bagley III would be solid big to have next to Bam.

With how Miami conducts their business and pushes hard work and staying in great shape, to me it seems like a great environment to try to get a younger player's who have talent but haven't really turned out how they were expected to turn out.

I would think getting players who have talent that have been disappointing so far in the NBA would be a good risk for a team like Miami who pushes hard work and staying in shape. I wouldn't mind seeing Miami try to resurrect DSJ's career although Detroit may be doing that for him.

I'm not a big fan of Bagley's durability or his dad coaching on social media. The most I'd be willing to part with is Precious and another role player but I wouldn't give up anything of value for him. Fox remains the target for me from Sacramento.

[AirP.]

Quick question... does anyone think it would be a good risk to to acquire Marvin Bagley? He seemed to show promise his rookie year under Dave Joerger, they switched to Luke Walton his second year, had multiple injuries(fractured thumb he suffered on opening night and a nagging foot sprain he suffered in December). This season his dad requested a trade for his son on twitter which seems to indicate Marvin not happy in Sacramento and with that, possibly dogging it much like Blake was because he was bad defensively.

The good version of Marvin Bagley III would be solid big to have next to Bam.

With how Miami conducts their business and pushes hard work and staying in great shape, to me it seems like a great environment to try to get a younger player's who have talent but haven't really turned out how they were expected to turn out.

I've been intrigued with Bagley's potential since he got drafted and don't completely blame him for being unable to develop in Sacramento. But the injuries are concerning, especially since he's not yet evidenced the ability to play at a high level (compared to guys like Dipo and Porzingis). And he'll be up for an extension after next season, which could be good or bad: good if it motivates him to turn the corner and bad if he gets injured again and then we're left wondering what to do with him

I suppose if we could get him for peanuts then it'd be worth it to try him out for a year but I kinda think Sacramento would demand assets for him in order to somewhat save face for picking him #2 behind Ayton in a draft that then produced Luka, Trae, SGA, MPJ, JJJ, Bridges, Sexton, etc. The Kings are exactly the type of dumb organization to fall victim to sunk cost fallacy and be stubborn with Bagley trades even at the expense of foregoing the opportunity to get at least something for him

Well, it's a little tricky for Sacramento, with Bagley on his last year of his rookie contract so time is nearly out to decide if he's a long term piece for them. This is where a package built around Precious could make sense, it lets them replace their current young big under contract for 1 more year with another that has 3 more years on his rookie contract.

The point to me is this... to win a championship you have to get a lot of talent, you can draft it, trade for it or develop it. Some players need a team that will give them a lot of freedom(KPJ), some need a strict team to keep them focused.

Personally, I like to watch young players in somewhat structured pickup games like Rico Hines games, they're not forced to play a specific role for the team and you can sometimes see other aspects of their game they can't or don't show in NBA games. The summer before Siakam broke out you could see he had a lot more to his game. Bagley seems to have more to offer then what I saw in the few Kings games I watched that he played in.

[AirP.]

Quick question... does anyone think it would be a good risk to to acquire Marvin Bagley? He seemed to show promise his rookie year under Dave Joerger, they switched to Luke Walton his second year, had multiple injuries(fractured thumb he suffered on opening night and a nagging foot sprain he suffered in December). This season his dad requested a trade for his son on twitter which seems to indicate Marvin not happy in Sacramento and with that, possibly dogging it much like Blake was because he was bad defensively.

The good version of Marvin Bagley III would be solid big to have next to Bam.

With how Miami conducts their business and pushes hard work and staying in great shape, to me it seems like a great environment to try to get a younger player's who have talent but haven't really turned out how they were expected to turn out.

I would think getting players who have talent that have been disappointing so far in the NBA would be a good risk for a team like Miami who pushes hard work and staying in shape. I wouldn't mind seeing Miami try to resurrect DSJ's career although Detroit may be doing that for him.

I'm not a big fan of Bagley's durability or his dad coaching on social media. The most I'd be willing to part with is Precious and another role player but I wouldn't give up anything of value for him. Fox remains the target for me from Sacramento.

Sure, there are better targets in Sacramento but they're going to cost a whole lot more.

The question with Bagley is with him only have 1 year left on his rookie deal, would Sacramento like to replace him with a package that included a guy like Precious who has 3 years left on his rookie contract?

On the injuries who knows... it's risk vs reward. Golden State and Steph Curry were so worried about his glass ankles he took a contract below his abilities which help allow GS to sign KD. With Butler and Bam maxed out and possibly bringing in a high priced vet while retaining someone like Duncan, you have to take some risks if you can't get ring chasers to sign to low but great value contracts. The time to strike was before Bam's extension and the FO didn't do that.

For those who wonder about Bagley's injuries, here's a link to a list of all his injuries for his first 3 years.
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/marvin-bagley-iii-player-injuries

[AirP.]

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[DayofMourning]

Bagley, Oubre and Adams. Let's do it.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Wouldn't mind Donnie Nelson coming over in some kind of international scouting consultant role. Bout damn time we start pillaging some of these foreign treasures not named Beno or Belly or Yakhouba