Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[DayofMourning]

[That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

These teams aren't big. I keep waiting for someone to notice. Spo has no problem with size ... as long as the size can move its feet on defense and spread the court on offense.

You thinking Kelel Ware in the draft too?

[contract]

[That is another issue that I'm pretty sure many Heat fans don't like to hear. Riley is giving Spo the roster he wants....and it's not working. I could go on and on about Spo but I know that's not popular here or anywhere he's made his name but I'm still not a big fan. He's good but not to the extent people think. But Riley ultimately created him and handed this to him so he's got to take some blame or at least be like I'm gonna get us a big like it or not play him lol.

But of course Spo wants a star like Dame or Mitchell that just didn't happen because noone likes Herro except Riley and his 30M but Spo needs to start rethinking his small ball system. Guys are getting hurt too much and it's just simply not how basketball is played. Size matters, and you can't switch everything like Lowry on Jokic in the finals under the basket and expect to win!

These teams aren't big. I keep waiting for someone to notice. Spo has no problem with size ... as long as the size can move its feet on defense and spread the court on offense.

You thinking Kelel Ware in the draft too?

There isn't guy in the entire draft that I know. I really don't follow college ball anymore, and haven't in I don't know how long.

[DayofMourning]

These teams aren't big. I keep waiting for someone to notice. Spo has no problem with size ... as long as the size can move its feet on defense and spread the court on offense.

You thinking Kelel Ware in the draft too?

There isn't guy in the entire draft that I know. I really don't follow college ball anymore, and haven't in I don't know how long.

All good.

7 foot center. 7.5 wingspan. Athlete numbers at the combine. Mobile big who can cover a lot of ground. Shot 40+% from three on lower attempts.

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You thinking Kelel Ware in the draft too?

There isn't guy in the entire draft that I know. I really don't follow college ball anymore, and haven't in I don't know how long.

All good.

7 foot center. 7.5 wingspan. Athlete numbers at the combine. Mobile big who can cover a lot of ground. Shot 40+% from three on lower attempts.

If he moves his feet and plays defense with intensity ... bring him in.

[DayofMourning]

There isn't guy in the entire draft that I know. I really don't follow college ball anymore, and haven't in I don't know how long.

All good.

7 foot center. 7.5 wingspan. Athlete numbers at the combine. Mobile big who can cover a lot of ground. Shot 40+% from three on lower attempts.

If he moves his feet and plays defense with intensity ... bring him in.

Yeah buddy. Lets get him on the plan.

[SerialChiller]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

You want to get really sick? Porzingis makes Tyler Herro money next season.

But he wouldn't work here like he does in Boston. In Boston he's great because he doesn't have to carry the offense and the team is so deep in talent that when he goes down with an injury it's not a problem. On a 2 or 3 man team like we have, if he went down, it would pretty much be over for us.

The Celtics putting together that roster was a magic act. Our front office seems to be out of magic. All we do now is sit around hoping some star will force his way here.

Weve missed on every star available. Wade having Jimmys ear really worked out for us. In ten years since Lebron left weve gotten Jimmy. And that was when he was considered a problem child. We couldnt get Dame when he said he only wanted to come here. At some point it becomes rather glaring on how to acquire talent and build a chip winning team.

Yep...our last hope is Mitchell because he is another Wade disciple guy. I honestly would see if we could get him, if we strike out yet again it's over trade Jimmy time to move on. I hate to close that window but it's mostly if not all already been wasted. He's going to be making like what is it nearly 40M and aging plus wanting an extension. This offseason is the last chance to piece something legit together around him or move on before it's too late.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Exactly my thoughts. Like I hear excuses on twitter and even here whatever about oh what can Riley really even do with what we have. Well how in the F does Boston somehow add KP and Jrue and before that Brogdon and stuff. We hardly do anything but just continually overpay our own guys and apparently hate size and scoring its getting really sickening.

You want to get really sick? Porzingis makes Tyler Herro money next season.

But he wouldn't work here like he does in Boston. In Boston he's great because he doesn't have to carry the offense and the team is so deep in talent that when he goes down with an injury it's not a problem. On a 2 or 3 man team like we have, if he went down, it would pretty much be over for us.

The Celtics putting together that roster was a magic act. Our front office seems to be out of magic. All we do now is sit around hoping some star will force his way here.

Weve missed on every star available. Wade having Jimmys ear really worked out for us. In ten years since Lebron left weve gotten Jimmy. And that was when he was considered a problem child. We couldnt get Dame when he said he only wanted to come here. At some point it becomes rather glaring on how to acquire talent and build a chip winning team.

Patrick owes the last 20+ years to Wade

[SerialChiller]

Hey Bammy while your here I wanted to see what you thought about Bam's true position. I'm guessing you think he should be a 4 too? Just curious since he's your guy. To me it depends on who our other big is, but just like what is his position to you without factoring roster fit or anything. A 4 or 5? He's a 4 to me that needs a rare kind of 5 beside him and we never find it or even try it kind of seems. He's been stuck at the 5 his whole career here lol.

[DayofMourning]

You want to get really sick? Porzingis makes Tyler Herro money next season.

But he wouldn't work here like he does in Boston. In Boston he's great because he doesn't have to carry the offense and the team is so deep in talent that when he goes down with an injury it's not a problem. On a 2 or 3 man team like we have, if he went down, it would pretty much be over for us.

The Celtics putting together that roster was a magic act. Our front office seems to be out of magic. All we do now is sit around hoping some star will force his way here.

Weve missed on every star available. Wade having Jimmys ear really worked out for us. In ten years since Lebron left weve gotten Jimmy. And that was when he was considered a problem child. We couldnt get Dame when he said he only wanted to come here. At some point it becomes rather glaring on how to acquire talent and build a chip winning team.

Patrick owes the last 20+ years to Wade

Cant disagree.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Bossman back to the Heat this year and I'm all about it. Just what Jovic needs backing him up. Vet minimum all good

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Hey Bammy while your here I wanted to see what you thought about Bam's true position. I'm guessing you think he should be a 4 too? Just curious since he's your guy. To me it depends on who our other big is, but just like what is his position to you without factoring roster fit or anything. A 4 or 5? He's a 4 to me that needs a rare kind of 5 beside him and we never find it or even try it kind of seems. He's been stuck at the 5 his whole career here lol.

As long as the guy next to him is a good fit he can be a 4 or a 5. Our rebounding and defensive numbers back this as well. If you have a Brook Lopez/Myles Turner sure move him to the 4 but if you have a Rudy Gobert type then nah. Although that could change based on how Bams 3 ball is looking next year.

I think it’s harped on way more than it needs to be, health permitting we’ve made deep runs regardless and the defense has been elite regardless. This teams biggest need is and always has been the need for an all star 3 level scorer preferably at the guard spot (Dame, Mitchell, Kyrie, Harden, etc) this has always been the missing piece for this team, Pat just hasn’t been able to do his job and get that final piece to put them over the top.

If they want to add functional size that can shoot in addition to that then sure I’m all for it but it’s not our biggest need.

[DayofMourning]

Hey Bammy while your here I wanted to see what you thought about Bam's true position. I'm guessing you think he should be a 4 too? Just curious since he's your guy. To me it depends on who our other big is, but just like what is his position to you without factoring roster fit or anything. A 4 or 5? He's a 4 to me that needs a rare kind of 5 beside him and we never find it or even try it kind of seems. He's been stuck at the 5 his whole career here lol.

As long as the guy next to him is a good fit he can be a 4 or a 5. Our rebounding and defensive numbers back this as well. If you have a Brook Lopez/Myles Turner sure move him to the 4 but if you have a Rudy Gobert type then nah. Although that could change based on how Bams 3 ball is looking next year.

I think it’s harped on way more than it needs to be, health permitting we’ve made deep runs regardless and the defense has been elite regardless. This teams biggest need is and always has been the need for an all star 3 level scorer preferably at the guard spot (Dame, Mitchell, Kyrie, Harden, etc) this has always been the missing piece for this team, Pat just hasn’t been able to do his job and get that final piece to put them over the top.

If they want to add functional size that can shoot in addition to that then sure I’m all for it but it’s not our biggest need.

We need two bigs, two lead guards and a top 5 player. Get that and I think we can compete for it all.

[SerialChiller]

Hey Bammy while your here I wanted to see what you thought about Bam's true position. I'm guessing you think he should be a 4 too? Just curious since he's your guy. To me it depends on who our other big is, but just like what is his position to you without factoring roster fit or anything. A 4 or 5? He's a 4 to me that needs a rare kind of 5 beside him and we never find it or even try it kind of seems. He's been stuck at the 5 his whole career here lol.

As long as the guy next to him is a good fit he can be a 4 or a 5. Our rebounding and defensive numbers back this as well. If you have a Brook Lopez/Myles Turner sure move him to the 4 but if you have a Rudy Gobert type then nah. Although that could change based on how Bams 3 ball is looking next year.

I think it’s harped on way more than it needs to be, health permitting we’ve made deep runs regardless and the defense has been elite regardless. This teams biggest need is and always has been the need for an all star 3 level scorer preferably at the guard spot (Dame, Mitchell, Kyrie, Harden, etc) this has always been the missing piece for this team, Pat just hasn’t been able to do his job and get that final piece to put them over the top.

If they want to add functional size that can shoot in addition to that then sure I’m all for it but it’s not our biggest need.

Amen to that, Pat hoped Herro would be that guy but it's at a point now where no one can pretend like it's even possible for him to be that kind of player anymore imo. I still want to see us play bigger, hopefully Jovic can continue to improve. Butler isn't fitting this timeline anymore though since they can't get that guy in time sadly. One last offseason to try I guess...

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Some interesting tidbits from this twitter poster. Take with grain of salt but makes a lot of sense.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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Some interesting tidbits from this twitter poster. Take with grain of salt but makes a lot of sense.

Buy a blue checkmark and post common sense in the guise of insider information. A tradition like no other.

[Kobewade11]

Get him a quality big and find out? It seems to me that Spoelstra makes do with what he has. At this point in Spoelstra's career he seems to value knowing when he gives out plays he knows a player is going to do what he's supposed to do, give effort on the defensive end and get up 3pt shots, I don't think size has much to do with it other than Miami hasn't had much overall talent with bigger players but then again, those players are harder to come by.

last time he had “quality” big he didn’t want to play them together, you weren’t around here then I think you were still chasing Jimmy’s coattails around Minnesota or Philly

[Flash4thewin]

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Some interesting tidbits from this twitter poster. Take with grain of salt but makes a lot of sense.

Buy a blue checkmark and post common sense in the guise of insider information. A tradition like no other.

Ignoring if he is an insider or not, the information has a lot of common sense for the most part.

The only real flaws I see are

Lavine = Klutch
Grant = Cronin
Collins and Sexton = Good old Danny

[wadenation305]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

I was a big advocate of buying low on KP. Bam and KP back court would have been a marvel to see.

[SerialChiller]

Imagine we traded for KP to pair with Bam. I'm sick and tired of this team we need big changes. If we don't get anyone who moves the needle move Jimmy and move forward with a younger core group. It can't be the same again I'm going crazy here even thinking about another year with this roster.

I was a big advocate of buying low on KP. Bam and KP back court would have been a marvel to see.

Same there isn't honestly a much better fit in the league to pair with him injuries or not. I wanted Irving too just someone before Butler's timeline ran out. Sadly I think it might have already. This offseason is our last chance to even just get one more year out of him near his best self hopefully, but I think we'll strike out again and I just hope we at least trade him in that case and not act like we have enough once again.

[Kobewade11]

So in the modern 3 point world we live in, I wanted to revisit a stat from last year around 3 pointers per game from the top two scorers of each team (previous year for reference is in spoiler). There's a games played requirement so certain guys were DQ'd (Morant, Herro)

League average is just above 4. It's probably no surprise who comes in the top 2 slots given the dynamic nature of their backcourts. Right at league average, Indiana actually should be one slot ahead of SA. Dead last at 1.4 and 1.2 respectively, Big Z/Sleepy B and Jimmy/Bam.

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