The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

Wade2k6 · Post #901 » by **Wade2k6** » Mon May 12, 2008 9:39 pm

CRHeel94 wrote:I like Marion, but I would take Dirk in a heartbeat over him. Much better offensive player...and he's not just a shooter (Peja is a pure shooter in my book). He has a nice high post game. His rebounding is okay and his defense is not as bad as it use to be early on (though definitely not as good as Marion's). He's a Top 10 guy in the NBA who can will his team to a win. Look at the rest of their roster...besides Cheech Howard and maybe Jason terry there's not a lot that stands out on that roster and yet Nowitzki has gotten that team into the playoffs and won a high number of games.

All this is moot. There's no way Cuban trades Dirk for anything less than a blockbuster.

I think everybody in their right mind would trade Marion for Dirk. But, it would be much more then Marion needed, it would most likely cost the #1 pick too, which would be too much IMO.

FlaStGrad · Post #902 » by **FlaStGrad** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:22 pm

If it were up to me, I would pass on Dirk 9 times out of 10. I don't think he is what we need to build around. I think he is soft and one-dimensional. As a scorer, he is better than Marion, but Marion has a better all-around game. I also don't want to trade the farm for Brand. While he is not one dimensional, he is getting long in the tooth and I would prefer to build with Wade and a rookie... either Rose or Beasley, and then add a third part... be it MArion (if the money is right) or another, younger player... a center would be great regardless whether we got Rose or Beasley.

Post #903 » by **Lane1974** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:31 pm

Dirk isn't one dimensional, that's an exaggeration

he is an above average passer and a good rebounder, has very good handle for his size and can score in a variety of ways

Post #904 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:33 pm

FlaStGrad wrote:If it were up to me, I would pass on Dirk 9 times out of 10. I don't think he is what we need to build around. I think he is soft and one-dimensional. As a scorer, he is better than Marion, but Marion has a better all-around game. I also don't want to trade the farm for Brand. While he is not one dimensional, he is getting long in the tooth and I would prefer to build with Wade and a rookie... either Rose or Beasley, and then add a third part... be it MArion (if the money is right) or another, younger player... a center would be great regardless whether we got Rose or Beasley.

My sentiments exactly.

Wade2k6 · Post #905 » by **Wade2k6** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:08 pm

FlaStGrad wrote:If it were up to me, I would pass on Dirk 9 times out of 10. I don't think he is what we need to build around. I think he is soft and one-dimensional. As a scorer, he is better than Marion, but Marion has a better all-around game. I also don't want to trade the farm for Brand. While he is not one dimensional, he is getting long in the tooth and I would prefer to build with Wade and a rookie... either Rose or Beasley, and then add a third part... be it MArion (if the money is right) or another, younger player... a center would be great regardless whether we got Rose or Beasley.

He isn't what we would build around though, we would still be building around Wade. Dirk would be an amazing addition to this team, I just feel a top pick and Marion is too much to give up considering our lack of depth.

C: Dirk
PF: Haslem
SF: Wright
SG: Wade
PG: Banks/MLE FA/whoever

That lineup is much better then ours now, it's just we would have absouletly no bench. Dirk has never been a second option, and with Wade being the clear No.1 option, Dirk wouldn't have a whole defensive scheme built around stopping him (2006 finals).

Post #906 » by **DayofMourning** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:34 am

Dirk is awesome. He's an exceptional player who is one year removed from MVP.

There's no way to get him. No reasonable trade for him. No way Cuban trades him.

End of story.

FlaStGrad · Post #907 » by **FlaStGrad** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:36 am

Drk is no center... he is not even a "complete" PF. He doesn't rebound all that well and he doesn't play defense like we need. I don't care if we are expecting him to be a center in the weak East. We still have to play Western teams and he would be dominated.

Just say no to Dirk!

CRHeel94 · Post #908 » by **CRHeel94** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:12 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think everybody in their right mind would trade Marion for Dirk. But, it would be much more then Marion needed, it would most likely cost the #1 pick too, which would be too much IMO.

I wouldn't trade Marion and the #1 pick either. Those are our two biggest chips on the table; we need to get two premier players out of that.

My comments were directed more at the notion that Marion is better than Dirk which some people are stating. BTW, Dirk is 15th among active career rebounders, right there with guys like Rasheed Wallace, Brand and Camby.

Wade2k6 · Post #909 » by **Wade2k6** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:36 pm

^ Alright, i gotcha. I really didn't read the last 5-6 pages so my mistake.

Post #910 » by **DayofMourning** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:43 pm

Who brought up the idea of Dirk anyway?

CRHeel94 · Post #911 » by **CRHeel94** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:57 pm

Someone brought it up a couple pages ago, and I believe they were tossing out a Marion and #1 for Dirk and Terry.

May 20th can't come fast enough.

Post #912 » by **DayofMourning** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:00 pm

Yep. I'm super ready, but would be pissed if we got the 4th pick. Number one or bust. I'd like to have some great news to bring a more positive note to a down season.

Wade2k6 · Post #913 » by **Wade2k6** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:24 pm

^^ No. 2 or bust.. Whether it be Rose or Beasley, it really wouldn't matter to me as long as one of those two are in a Heat uniform next year..

Sideshow Bob · Post #914 » by **Sideshow Bob** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:48 pm

After Beasley and Rose there is a drop off in potential but there is plenty of talent. I like Kevin Love as an option. Reminds me of underrated Carlos Boozer.

FlaStGrad · Post #915 » by **FlaStGrad** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:39 am

If the Heat do not land either of the top 2 picks, I would not be opposed to trading down in the lottery with a team that wants Mayo or Bayless as long as we can dump Blount in the trade. Then we can take a flier pick on DeAndre Jordan. Having him play with ZO could only help him develop a low post game. Being compared to Dwight Howard says something about his potential and he could solidify the center position for us for years to come.

Post #916 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed May 14, 2008 8:56 pm

Jordan is so far away from contributing even at the college level. There is a lot of talent even after the top two are gone. There's no reason to waste a pick on a player who is athletic and barely anything else.

FlaStGrad · Post #917 » by **FlaStGrad** » Wed May 14, 2008 9:54 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Jordan is so far away from contributing even at the college level. There is a lot of talent even after the top two are gone. There's no reason to waste a pick on a player who is athletic and barely anything else.

The guy will be a lottery pick for a reason. He can and will develop. No one says he needs to be a starter day 1. Tell me who would be a better mentor for him than Zo?

Post #918 » by **GameTime_3** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:07 pm

I think people are going to be surprised when it comes down to Deandre Jordan. The guy played in a bad system and was never given a chance. The guy is very unpolish but has loads of potential. I think he can play from day one. The guy will be like Tyson Chandler, Alot of lobs and no plays.

Post #919 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:38 pm

Just to backup your point about potential, name me three players who became stars who had as little a clue as Jordan. I don't see potential with a player who doesn't know the basics of the game.

He was terrible on so many levels. I can't think of anyone who has been so hyped by playing so poorly.

Post #920 » by **Lane1974** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:43 pm

sounds like Stromile Swift Part Deux